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Nevada Cattle Rancher Wins 'Range War' With Feds
abc ^ | April 12, 2014 | Liz Field

Posted on 04/12/2014 10:50:43 AM PDT by Red Steel

A Nevada cattle rancher appears to have won his week-long battle with the federal government over a controversial cattle roundup that had led to the arrest of several protesters.

Cliven Bundy went head to head with the Bureau of Land Management over the removal of hundreds of his cattle from federal land, where the government said they were grazing illegally.

Bundy claims his herd of roughly 900 cattle have grazed on the land along the riverbed near Bunkerville, 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas, since 1870 and threatened a "range war" against the BLM on the Bundy Ranch website after one of his sons was arrested while protesting the removal of the cattle.

"I have no contract with the United States government," Bundy said. "I was paying grazing fees for management and that's what BLM was supposed to be, land managers and they were managing my ranch out of business, so I refused to pay."

The federal government had countered that Bundy "owes the American people in excess of $1 million " in unpaid grazing fees and "refuses to abide by the law of land, despite many opportunities over the last 20 years to do so."

However, today the BLM said it would not enforce a court order to remove the cattle and was pulling out of the area.

"Based on information about conditions on the ground, and in consultation with law enforcement, we have made a decision to conclude the cattle gather because of our serious concern about the safety of employees and members of the public," BLM Director Neil Kornze said.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: alreadyposted; bhoblm; blm; bundy; cattle; harryreid; mormon; neilkornze; nevada; rancher; rangewars; whippedemagainjosie; whippedlikeapig
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1 posted on 04/12/2014 10:50:43 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

Eye of the storm.


2 posted on 04/12/2014 10:52:29 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: Red Steel

BLM can easily change laws faster than people can find out about them. How many cows did the feds shoot?


3 posted on 04/12/2014 10:53:06 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Red Steel
Great news.
4 posted on 04/12/2014 10:53:26 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Red Steel

Nothing has been won.

They have stolen much of his cattle, and taken the land he was using.

They will be back for the rest in the middle of the night one day.. once the pressure has died down.


5 posted on 04/12/2014 10:53:34 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (In America, we don't do pin pricks. But sometimes we elect them.)
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To: Red Steel

Shine the light on evil.....


6 posted on 04/12/2014 10:54:49 AM PDT by EXCH54FE (Hurricane 416,Feisty Old Vet !!)
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To: Psalm 144

Exactly, they will be back as soon as the publicity has calmed down.


7 posted on 04/12/2014 10:55:16 AM PDT by JLS
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To: Red Steel
Didn't take long after the link with Reid and the Chicoms was publicized for this to 'go away'.

/johnny

8 posted on 04/12/2014 10:55:37 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Red Steel

I guess the revelation that HReid was involved made them back off (it’s the only new tidbit that popped out in the last 24 hrs)

although... has the airspace been reopened?


9 posted on 04/12/2014 10:55:57 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: sten

Yeah, the real reason Harry Reid.


10 posted on 04/12/2014 10:59:12 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: JRandomFreeper
Didn't take long after the link with Reid and the Chicoms was publicized for this to 'go away'.

The fact that this is so easy for people to believe shows you just how corrupt the government is perceived to be. Its not that the Repubs are innocent of this sort of thing its just that the Dems/Marxists shove it in the nations face at every opportunity and have a corrupt AG that ignores it all.

11 posted on 04/12/2014 11:01:02 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Red Steel

So, shortly after the video was released, the feds retreat. What a surprise.


12 posted on 04/12/2014 11:02:25 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: sten

Then the people’s militia out there needs to remain on site until the threat has palpably faded. The price of liberty is eternal vigilance. Remember-—the government never sleeps, and most citizens are rarely alert.


13 posted on 04/12/2014 11:02:58 AM PDT by huckfillary
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To: Red Steel

The BLM sounds Cattle Rustlers to Me.


14 posted on 04/12/2014 11:04:44 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Red Steel

This ain’t over. As I stated on another thread, the demand that the BLM relinquish their weapons was silly and was not met, and never will be. Now they’re going to release the cattle from what Bundy just said.


15 posted on 04/12/2014 11:05:13 AM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: huckfillary

Celebrating with a new Ruger Mini 14...If I can find one.


16 posted on 04/12/2014 11:05:18 AM PDT by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: Red Steel

It’s a long way from over. Did Bundy get a count on dead cows and calves, yet? The JBTs will be back; count on it.


17 posted on 04/12/2014 11:06:38 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: Red Steel
Yeah, the real reason Harry Reid.

Exactly. He and his crap offspring were hip deep in this and it came out.
18 posted on 04/12/2014 11:07:26 AM PDT by 98ZJ USMC
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To: Red Steel

Bundy should pay money if his cattle is grazing on government land.

Bundy doesn’t own the land.


19 posted on 04/12/2014 11:08:10 AM PDT by moviefan8
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To: Red Steel

Its just a competition yellow it aint over


20 posted on 04/12/2014 11:08:11 AM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom… I was refereeing to Obama)
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To: huckfillary

Hero Bundy now with 100s including Militia to go get the cattle. Sheriff fled after announcing BLM caved. Great day for America — bad day for Harry Reid and big government.


21 posted on 04/12/2014 11:08:41 AM PDT by SADMILLIE
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To: ConservativeMan55

You are right that he has lost, not won. They confsicated $900,000 worth of cattle.

And I bet you don’t see anyone’s cattle on that land again.

Just endangered animals and solar panels which will roast thousands of birds in mid-air.


22 posted on 04/12/2014 11:09:11 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn...)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Didn't take long after the link with Reid and the Chicoms was publicized for this to 'go away'.

Drudge had a link to the Infowars story that pointed back to Freeper's connection of Reid, his son and Big Chinese Energy.

Drudge has removed that link and BLM is now gone from the ranch.

23 posted on 04/12/2014 11:09:29 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Red Steel
Bundy claims his herd of roughly 900 cattle have grazed on the land along the riverbed near Bunkerville, 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas, since 1870.

Those cattle have been grazing since 1870? Man, talk about aged beef!

24 posted on 04/12/2014 11:09:30 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Red Steel

Bunkerville. Sort of rhymes with Bunker Hill, doncha think?


25 posted on 04/12/2014 11:10:01 AM PDT by abclily
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To: Red Steel

Tis but a skirmish, until these Nazi administrative agencies disarm the war is not over.


26 posted on 04/12/2014 11:10:04 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: SADMILLIE

as long as they’re not marching into a trap...


27 posted on 04/12/2014 11:10:25 AM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Red Steel

Concord revisited without the bullets


28 posted on 04/12/2014 11:10:27 AM PDT by ZULU (STOP JEB BUSH!!!! NO MORE BUSHES!! US OUT OF THE UN AND UN OUT OF US!!)
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To: moviefan8

Really no specific person owns the land. The government manages public lands, but they don’t own it. It’s even stated in BLM’s title - Bureau of Land Management.


29 posted on 04/12/2014 11:13:06 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

I don’t trust the BLM, they will pull back, wait 2 or 3 weeks and arrest Bundy when is alone and without backup.


30 posted on 04/12/2014 11:14:19 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Freedom isn't free; nor is it easy. END ALL TOTALITARIAN ACTIVITY NOW.)
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To: Red Steel

Did you read the comments after the story? I think ABC deliberately posted all those irrelevant comments about the ads in order to push the substantive comments off the first page. This really ticks me off!


31 posted on 04/12/2014 11:16:29 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: moviefan8

Agreed. Some people just don’t seem to get the bottom line....until Bundy pays the fees he legally owes, he is stealing from US taxpayers.

As I said in an earlier thread..if the Bundy family were a bunch of stinky leftist hippies doing the exact same thing, many who defend Bundy on this board and media folks like Mr. Hannity would be calling them outlaws and thieves.

You can’t excuse lawbreaking just because you identify and sympathize with the lawbreaker.


32 posted on 04/12/2014 11:17:46 AM PDT by XRdsRev (New Jersey - Crossroads of the American Revolution)
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To: moviefan8
"Bundy should pay money if his cattle is grazing on government land."

Since details are thin in this area, I'll reserve judgment.

But one thing is a fact. A sizable amount of stock has been stolen/seized/transfered by the feds. Sounds like they've been paid to me.

33 posted on 04/12/2014 11:20:28 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: Red Steel

There are hundreds of ranchers who own a small amounts of acreage next to public land that they use for grazing, so I doubt this will be the only incident of its kind. Big government means big control, even when it is pointless. The grassland that is open for grazing is probably heartier and more resistant to diseases than the adjoining land that isn’t. The wildlife on the land that is grazed is most likely healthier and more numerous.


34 posted on 04/12/2014 11:26:31 AM PDT by pallis
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To: XRdsRev

Bundy has paid fees to the Nevada county. The real story is why now are they trying to squeeze Bundy off the land.

This is not about fees or cattle or turtles. It’s Harry Reid minions pulling the strings for a business deal with the Chinese.


35 posted on 04/12/2014 11:26:58 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: carriage_hill

Yes, let’s see how many fly-overs are performed here on out and how the BLM monitors (surveils) the Bundy property.


36 posted on 04/12/2014 11:28:31 AM PDT by SgtHooper
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To: ConservativeMan55
They will be back for the rest in the middle of the night one day.. once the pressure has died down.

Exactly.

37 posted on 04/12/2014 11:29:23 AM PDT by dragonblustar ( Psalm 103, Psalm 37:7, Ephesians 6:12)
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To: abclily; Red Steel

Bunkerville founded by Edward Bunker in 1877. His granddaughter married Park Romney. His wife’s brother was the ancestor of Bundy.


38 posted on 04/12/2014 11:36:48 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: moviefan8

The usage began with an understanding that no fees were required, nor would be. Insofar as reasonable fees were introduced, seems he paid them. Problem now seems the fees are changed with intent to drive him out - THAT is intolerable.

Short of outright sale, for which he should have first dibs at equal cost, it should remain open to all use at no cost beyond basic maintenance.


39 posted on 04/12/2014 11:38:35 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: Red Steel

Owebama didn’t want this in the news so close to the midterm election. The public aren’t on his side on this one!


40 posted on 04/12/2014 11:38:37 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: SgtHooper

Less intrusive and headline-grabbing to use drones than hundreds of JBTs, tasers dogs and snipers and risk a shootout.

They’ll “document” Bundy’s herd’s “felony grazing” and come back with a vengeance, after the criminal scumbag Reid&Co’s deal with Chi-Comm’s ENN solar co is sealed and done, and all back-tracks sanitized and scrubbed. Good thing FR’s got the original docs from Reid’s website.

It ain’t over.


41 posted on 04/12/2014 11:41:47 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: Psalm 144

Yup. They’ll be back when the media packs up and leaves.


42 posted on 04/12/2014 11:45:24 AM PDT by Gamecock (If the cross is not foolishness to the lost world then we have misrepresented the cross." S.L.)
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To: XRdsRev
...until Bundy pays the fees he legally owes, he is stealing from US taxpayers.

Spoken like a true Progressive. What do grazing fees accomplish other than raising the price of beef? The BLM doesn't use if for land management anymore. No one owes anything to the "US taxpayer."

43 posted on 04/12/2014 11:45:36 AM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: carriage_hill

The FED backing off is all about the midterm election. An outraged public isn’t going to vote for owebama’s party!


44 posted on 04/12/2014 11:46:11 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: Beagle8U

+1.


45 posted on 04/12/2014 11:49:51 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: Beagle8U

ATF retreated too when they first went after the Branch Davidians.

The Feds will be back, with more firepower.


46 posted on 04/12/2014 11:50:55 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: XRdsRev

As I said in an earlier thread..if the Bundy family were a bunch of stinky leftist hippies doing the exact same thing, many who defend Bundy on this board and media folks like Mr. Hannity would be calling them outlaws and thieves.

************

I won’t speak up for Hannity because you are probably correct there. He tests the wind and follows it IMO, and has a tedious abundance of opportunity to speak for himself.

I will speak up for many others on this board though, who WOULD have defended Bundy and his family if they were “a bunch of stinky leftist hippies doing the same thing”.

Bundy has an argument. Not a strong one, and based on archaic and even abandoned law, however wise or unwise it was to abandon those laws. He -should- have been paying in even while the fees were in dispute, IMO. Regardless, for the sake of argument say he is in the wrong.

That does not justify the abuse of others, the burlesque of lethal state threat and intimidation, the express malice, the attempted curtailment of the 1st Amendment on EVERYONE, and denial of use of the area to EVERYONE by the federal minions.

A guy parks in a no parking zone with his family. HE HAS BROKEN THE LAW! ‘Law Enforcement’ drags him out of the car and puts the muzzle of a pistol to his forehead and draws back the hammer until it clicks in place. Meanwhile his sister is dragged out and thrown to the ground, his sons pulled out, beaten up and one is detained (never arrested), the gathering crowd of observers are threatened with snipers, dogs, and tasers, and told to shut up and back off.

In America.

This isn’t about the illegal parking anymore.

This is about American ‘law enforcement’.

That is what -most- people here understand and are speaking up about. They have done it for ‘stinky hippies’ many, many times. Homeless people, mentally ill people, black people, brown people and others on many many threads where ‘law enforement’ was expressed as summary beatings or even summary executions.

My understanding is that the Bundy family are Mormons. I don’t like Mormons. The reasons are irrelevant. I support the Bundy family in this. It doesn’t matter to me that they are Mormons. It doesn’t matter to me that, IMO, their legal arguments are invalid. Why? Because the ‘law enforcement’ being applied to them is insanely disproportionate, sadistic, Statist, and not to be countenanced. In the totality of these circumstances, anyone who would not support the Bundy family against the clones in sunglasses has no comprehension of liberty, due process, or proportion.

“First they came for the stinky leftist hippies, and I didn’t say anything, because I was not a stinky leftist hippy.” Oh, but that is untrue. That lesson has been learned over the years. MANY on this board have that lesson NAILED.

I don’t care if they are Mormons, stinky hippies, Zoroastrians, or watch game shows and make puns. They were and are worthy of defense, and most of us here in one way or another have defended them. The REAL hard part is praying for the clones in sunglasses, and struggling to not hate them. That I will plead guilty to. I truly hate those sons of bitches.


47 posted on 04/12/2014 11:53:28 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: dfwgator

A primer on how to withhold facts in a single article.


48 posted on 04/12/2014 11:53:29 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: Red Steel

“Bundy has paid fees to the Nevada county.”

People can rationalize Bundy’s actions all they want but the fact remains that the county refused the money and informed Bundy that he owed the money to the US government. He knew then that the county wouldn’t take the money because it wasn’t their land.

Since then he has refused to pay the BLM what they are legally owed. The BLM works for the taxpayers (whether they do a good job or not is irrelevant) therefore by not paying BLM, Bundy is stealing from US taxpayers.

Bundy isn’t a Lexington Minuteman, he is someone who used something that didn’t belong to him for many years, ignoring numerous warnings and court orders and doesn’t want to pay for it. I don’t think he is much different than a welfare cheat.


49 posted on 04/12/2014 11:55:00 AM PDT by XRdsRev (New Jersey - Crossroads of the American Revolution)
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To: TigersEye; XRdsRev
Spoken like a true Progressive.

And remember, you can't spell "progressive" without "ss"...

Prgreive

50 posted on 04/12/2014 11:56:13 AM PDT by null and void (The British declared war on the Tea Party. The Tea Party won! (Thanks mom!))
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