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Few in Ukraine Including in the East Support Separatism or Joining Russia, Poll Shows
The Interpreter ^ | 4/12/14 | Paul Goble

Posted on 04/12/2014 12:46:04 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans

Few in Ukraine – Including in the East — Support Separatism or Joining Russia, Poll Shows

Paul Goble April 12, 2014 Print Friendly Staunton, April 12 – Vladimir Putin insists that his moves in Ukraine are motivated by a desire to protect ethnic Russians, Russian speakers and, Moscow’s latest category, “pro-Russian people” who do not want to live under Kyiv, a view that has been uncritically accepted by large numbers of Russians in the Russian Federation and by many in the West.

But a new poll shows that few of the people on whose behalf Putin claims to be acting are interested in separatism from Ukraine or in having their regions become part of the Russian Federation. Instead, even in the eastern portions of Ukraine where Russian speakers form a large share of the population, overwhelming majorities want to remain in Ukraine.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Russia
KEYWORDS: crimea; pollofeubureaucrats; putinsbuttboys; russia; ukraine
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1 posted on 04/12/2014 12:46:04 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

I’d have to know a good deal more about those doing the polling to completely accept this.


2 posted on 04/12/2014 12:50:18 PM PDT by curmudgeonII (Vocatus atque non vocatus deus aderit.)
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To: curmudgeonII
This poll closely matches another poll taken in March, and also matches what journalists have found talking to the average man on the street, and not the 100 or so "protestors" wearing masks and carrying Russian weapons. As for who conducted it, here is info from their site: The Ilko Kucheriv Democratic Initiatives Foundation (DIF) is an analytical and enlightening organization which aims at building Ukrainian state, democracy, and market economy and enhancing full integration of Ukraine into European and Euro-Atlantic structures. Ілько Кучерів, засновник Фонду Nowadays, DIF belongs to leading Ukrainian think tanks and focuses its activities on developing reasonable recommendations in the sphere of democratic transformations and Ukraine’s European integration for decision makers and civil society representatives. DIF was created in 1992 and was named after its founder and first director Ilko Kucheriv (1955-2010) who made an impressive contribution to democratic progress of Ukraine, as well as development of Ukrainian sociology and civil society. DIF mission consists in supporting Ukraine in its transformation into fully functioning democracy with good governing practices, market economy, and developed civil society. http://dif.org.ua/en/pro-nas/about_dif.htm
3 posted on 04/12/2014 12:56:52 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: curmudgeonII
Whoops, that came out all smooshed together. The link, if it's not clear in that blob:

http://dif.org.ua/en/pro-nas/about_dif.htm

4 posted on 04/12/2014 12:57:35 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Then stop calling them Pro-Russian extremists and start calling them pro-Ukrainian anti-fascists.


5 posted on 04/12/2014 1:10:24 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck
Then stop calling them Pro-Russian extremists and start calling them pro-Ukrainian anti-fascists.

Unless you're limiting yourself to Alex Jones or RT, there is no reason to take Putin's Active Measures on our media seriously. There is no fascist/anti-semitism menace in Ukraine.

6 posted on 04/12/2014 1:12:52 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

I’m sure they all want to join the EU.

I mean, who wouldn’t ?

Such freedom, such prosperity.

If you do exactly as you’re told, you’re taken care of right up until you’re deemed no longer useful.


7 posted on 04/12/2014 1:14:12 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: mac_truck

In fact, Russian Neo-Nazis are openly encouraged by the Russian government in Ukraine and even in Russia, and RT interviews Neo-Nazis without bothering to inform their audience about their affiliation. Alexandr Dugin, a high level political “analysit,” and full time idiot, is a neo-Nazi who apparently is an admirer of Aleister Crowley, the Satanist, and his propaganda is frequently featured on state-run Russian networks.


8 posted on 04/12/2014 1:14:58 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: PieterCasparzen
I’m sure they all want to join the EU.

They want to join the EU because, as part of joining, they are required to put into place anti-corruption laws which are sorely needed. The Putin controlled Puppet looted billions from the Ukrainian economy, not to mention filling the ranks of the government with Russian agents, many of whom are still there in the shadows.

9 posted on 04/12/2014 1:16:27 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: curmudgeonII

The authors of this poll is the Democratic Initiatives Foundation, a NATO affiliated think tank.


10 posted on 04/12/2014 1:20:13 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

11 posted on 04/12/2014 1:23:40 PM PDT by McGruff (I wouldn't be surprised if Jeb Bush pulled a Charlie Crist)
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To: McGruff

Only if you’re gullible and fall for Soviet active measures and disinformation.


12 posted on 04/12/2014 1:24:26 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Greetings_Puny_Humans.


13 posted on 04/12/2014 1:30:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans; mac_truck

You mean Soviets like

“The authors of this poll is the Democratic Initiatives Foundation, a NATO affiliated think tank.”


14 posted on 04/12/2014 1:31:09 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen
You mean Soviets like

So far as I know, NATO does not have organized homosexual rape in the military, protected by the regime (as Russia does), nor are they literally run by people known to be admirers of Aleister Crowley and other freaks promoting a strange Russian nationalism that dreams of recreating the Soviet Union, using the same tactics they used the last time they created the Soviet Union. I suggest you check your history and stop spamming me with stupid comments.

15 posted on 04/12/2014 1:37:33 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Did you know that WestPoint funded an all homosexual event and that is what is going on in the EU. This is a double edged sword. The EU is going to bankrupt the Ukraine with its agenda of George Soros.


16 posted on 04/12/2014 1:48:48 PM PDT by Busko (The only thing that is certain is that nothing is certain.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

So the EU is the solver of corruption problems ?

Dominique Strauss-Kahn would have a good laugh at that.

EU politicians are corrupt globalists.

It would be far easier for Ukraine to pass anti-corruption laws than to pass laws which give up a chunk of the nation’s sovereignty to the EU, so the EU could force the laws on them.

FYI, since its independence, Ukraine has seen a steadily growing stream of business with the US, the UK and Europe, as well as with Russia.

The West has spent billions and enormous efforts to push Western foreign direct investment into Ukraine.

American companies from John Deere to Proctor & Gamble to IBM - HUNDREDS of them - have been doing business in Ukraine for years. Meanwhile Western private capital has been partnering with the State Department - and non-governmental organizations (NGOs) - to influence Ukrainian politics, politicians, business leaders, oligarchs, the general public, etc., to join the EU.

You know, “training” on “good governance”, etc.

Interesting side note on Russian confrontation:

Russia supplies Boeing with almost a third of the titanium it uses to build airplanes.

Before we go neocon charging off to battle, its wise to look at global trade, finance, supply chain, etc.


17 posted on 04/12/2014 1:48:56 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen
So the EU is the solver of corruption problems ?

You are asking me to side with the Reds by pointing to the Bourgeois useful idiots of the EU. They will be consumed by the Russians sooner or later. I will warn you, however, that the Russians do not respect their useful idiots. You will be liquidated right along with the rest of us when the Russians are ready to push the button. They've been preparing for war for many years now, while the left AND the right have been ignoring the fact that the Communists were never expelled from power from the "former" Soviet bloc. They simply gave themselves new names.

18 posted on 04/12/2014 1:53:20 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

And since exactly when am I caring about these...what you call them?...polls?

19 posted on 04/12/2014 1:54:23 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: McGruff

Smells like a leftist troll also.


20 posted on 04/12/2014 1:56:58 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Poll Shows

In other polling news, a recent poll shows that 112 percent of Americans love Obamacare!

21 posted on 04/12/2014 1:57:21 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: PieterCasparzen

“EU politicians are corrupt globalists.”

Unlike honest politicians in your beloved new Mongoloid empire aka Eurasian Economic Community.

“American companies from John Deere to Proctor & Gamble to IBM - HUNDREDS of them - have been doing business in Ukraine for years.”

Shock and horror.


22 posted on 04/12/2014 2:03:48 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: mac_truck
The authors of this poll is the Democratic Initiatives Foundation, a NATO affiliated think tank.

Same group that did polls in 2009 and 2012 showing that Ukrainians didn't want to be part of NATO.

23 posted on 04/12/2014 2:10:54 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

Yes, the same group that certified Ukraine’s 2010 Presidential democratic election was free and fair.

Ring any bells?


24 posted on 04/12/2014 2:46:33 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

carrying Russian weapons.......duh....Any weapon in the Ukraine will be a Russian weapon.........


25 posted on 04/12/2014 2:50:30 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: mac_truck
Yes, the same group that certified Ukraine’s 2010 Presidential democratic election was free and fair.

So in 2010 they certified that Yanukovich's election was fair. In 2012 they polled that Ukrainians in didn't want to be part of NATO.

Now they poll that Ukrainians overwhelmingly don't want to be part of Russia.

So then your problem is what??

26 posted on 04/12/2014 2:56:23 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Sacajaweau

Unlikely the average man on the street is going to have silenced Kalashnikovs or limited military sniper rifles complete with military uniforms, body armor and other gear, along with military precision in making coordinated strikes on important Ukrainian buildings in multiple cities along an important invasion route.


27 posted on 04/12/2014 2:58:24 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Grzegorz 246

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Wall Street bailed out the failing Russian revolution in its early days. Under the guise of a “Red Cross” mission, millions in hard currency were brought in to sustain the effort. Wall Street pooled its interests in the American International Corporation, headquartered at 120 Broadway, and thus moved to have the Tsar-less Russia as a completely captive market. The infamous 5-year plans were conceived by international finance, not communist bureaucrats. Ford even built a plant at Gorky in the early 1930’s.

Communism was invented by UK globalists who first conceived of trying to set up completely controlled towns that doubled as manufacturing plants where people would live and work like hamsters.

The UK-based globalists, and their counterparts on the Continent and in the US, hated monarchs, especially the Tsar, as they could not get them to give them enough control over banking, money and business operations. The UK bent on over completely backwards, and let them run the show. Through the UK government, for example, they ran India as an enormous business which they carried on with the sovereignty of a government. When their business eventually started incurring losses, they had the political clout to transfer the risk to the UK taxpayer.

My point is that globalists have always been pulling strings behind BOTH the Western governments AND the USSR/Russian governments since 1917.

Does this make Russian politicians honest ? Obviously not.

What I’m advocating is an INDEPENDENT Ukraine.

Globalism keeps stirring up the issue to get people to back Ukraine joining the EU.

They set up a straw man argument that the only alternative is to join Russia.

They hate the idea of an independent Ukraine.

The globalists do not want independent countries. They want them to belong to international organizations. This makes it easy for globalists to override national governments and get anything they want in the way of laws and tax avoidance.

Some yahoo wrote an article posted today on FR that posed the question of Canada and the US merging.

Why can’t people supposedly advocating for a “free republic” get the hint when they are touching on the idea of losing national sovereignty ?


28 posted on 04/12/2014 3:00:55 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Sacajaweau
carrying Russian weapons.......duh....Any weapon in the Ukraine will be a Russian weapon.........

No.

Ukraine makes pistols, rifles, machine guns, tanks, missiles...

29 posted on 04/12/2014 3:06:07 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: PieterCasparzen; Grzegorz 246

Lenin’s New Economic Policy was designed to invite gullible western investment, which he described as buying (or selling?) the rope from the west that Russia would use to “hang them.” This was accomplished through disinformation efforts to convince the west that Communism in Russia was collapsing, and they used false-fronts, such as the Monarchist movement, to do so, having alleged anti-Communists make contacts with the west, discourage western aggression, and to encourage the west to build up Russia’s infrastructure on the vain hope that doing so would make the collapse of communism go faster.

All of this, of course, was a sham.


30 posted on 04/12/2014 3:08:46 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: PieterCasparzen
What I’m advocating is an INDEPENDENT Ukraine.

If I was in Ukraine I would be anti Putin, anti EU and pro NATO.

31 posted on 04/12/2014 3:08:52 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Our government will support “freedom” for Ukraine, but send out government thugs to tamp down freedom in America.

It should tell you this. Our government does not support “real” freedom” anywhere.

Freedom is only what the US government under Obama and the NWO is willing to give you.

G Bush I said a long time ago that the government has an interest in dividing people because if the divided ever knew what they were up to they would unite against the world elites. Time to stand these bastards down.


32 posted on 04/12/2014 3:15:49 PM PDT by dforest
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To: dforest; All

A lot of the NWO fantasies, by the way, are developed by Russian media and parroted by Alex Jones. This is the same Russian government that is still supporting communist movements in Africa and South America, and who has paid agents of influence working in communist papers demonizing the United States, such as in the ‘Ghost Stories’ spy ring busted up a few years ago. The one with the pretty red head. One of the agents exposed was working for a Marxist Spanish paper here in the U.S. That same “journalist” now works for the Russian state controlled media, and Alex Jones repeats her propaganda.

That is really what should be informing your perception of world events.

The NWO conspiracy theories are wishful thinking. The fact is, the U.S. and the west in general are in a state of decline. It is because liberal democracy, as what we have become, was never fit for holding on to power, even when they play the power game. Everything is careerism, money-power, and control, by children who cannot control anything and will soon be overthrown by the new Hitlers of our 21st century.


33 posted on 04/12/2014 3:23:47 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: FreeReign

See my comment at #5


34 posted on 04/12/2014 3:49:30 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck; FreeReign

Takes a special kind of, ummm, person, to describe fringe groups and Russian Spetznaz troops as “Pro-Ukrainian,” when they’re there to put Ukraine back under the Russian yoke.


35 posted on 04/12/2014 3:53:26 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

What I saw today was not Russian Media. What I saw was no Western media.

I don’t pay much attention to Alex Jones. I watch what is happening here.

The communist movement is in action in America. I couldn’t care less about Ukraine.


36 posted on 04/12/2014 4:29:19 PM PDT by dforest
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To: FreeReign

http://www.vocativ.com/world/russia/ukrainians-want-arm-teeth/


37 posted on 04/12/2014 4:37:57 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: PieterCasparzen
Nice rant Pieter.

The folks in Eastern Ukraine have watched the US/EU backed radicals overthrow a democratically elected President and they're fed up with all the Western interference in their lives.

They're going to decide for themselves how they want to be governed, and if the radicals in Kiev don't like it, they'll be dealt with accordingly.

38 posted on 04/12/2014 4:49:58 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: PieterCasparzen
“Communism was invented by UK globalists”

Sorry to burst your bubble but had Lenin ended up in Denmark and convinced them to go commie, their way to spread communism would have been issuing rainbow postcards with “join the revolution” printed on it. Russians turned it into the most genocidal system in the history of mankind because they are barbarian, collectivistic, expansionistic bunch of Mongoloids. In the end, they invade and kill their neighbors as well as their own people, no matter which system they use.

“My point is that globalists have always been pulling strings behind BOTH the Western governments AND the USSR/Russian governments since 1917.”

Yep. Damn Rothschilds...

“What I’m advocating is an INDEPENDENT Ukraine.”

Sure you do.

39 posted on 04/12/2014 7:11:04 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: mac_truck
They're going to decide for themselves how they want to be governed, and if the radicals in Kiev don't like it, they'll be dealt with accordingly.

"Decide for themselves". Ya, right. Soviet agents are in there now acting as provocateurs. Hopefully Kiev goes in soon and kicks their asses out of the Ukrainian building they are squatting in.

40 posted on 04/12/2014 10:51:07 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Play the 'Knockout Game' with someone owning a 9mm and you get what you deserve)
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