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NATO’s media offensive makes Russia stop and think
http://www.haaretz.com ^ | Apr. 12, 2014 | Anshel Pfeffer

Posted on 04/12/2014 4:02:25 PM PDT by 1rudeboy

As of this weekend, the Ukrainian government seems to have finally lost control of wide areas in the east of the country. On Friday, its ultimatum to separatists who had taken over government buildings in eastern cities expired, but it launched no operation to dislodge the gunmen.

On Saturday, buildings in more towns were taken by force. The organization and coordination leave little doubt that these people are inspired and directed by Moscow, similar to the situation in late February in Crimea before the Russian invasion and annexation of the peninsula. But Russian troops have yet to be seen in eastern Ukraine, and recent reports of an imminent invasion, based partly on Western intelligence, have yet to come true.

NATO is convinced that the Russian military buildup on Ukraine’s borders, now under way for at least six weeks, is no exercise but comprehensive preparation for an invasion. Since Ukraine isn’t a NATO member and most of the alliance’s members, led by the United States, have no intention of intervening militarily on Kiev’s behalf, the hands of the world’s most powerful military alliance are tied in the event of an invasion. Instead, NATO is trying to keep Russia in check with a media campaign.

On Thursday, the NATO press office published satellite images showing the Russian buildup, which includes hundreds of tanks and armored personnel carriers, not to mention attack helicopters and fighter jets, deployed at airstrips near the border. NATO’s top commander, Gen. Philip Breedlove, tweeted: “Russian forces around Ukraine fully equipped/capable to invade. Public denial undermines progress. Images tell story.”

The footage was bought from a satellite company instead of culled from military spy satellites, which allowed NATO to prove that they were up to date. When the Kremlin said the images showed a large exercise that had taken place last year, NATO published more pictures proving that the bases set up for Russian troops did not even exist before the beginning of last month.

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1 posted on 04/12/2014 4:02:25 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Yes, critical media reports from NATO probably have Putin cowering in the back of the horse barn.

Or is he in the planning room polishing up his new strategy to roll NATO into the Baltic?


2 posted on 04/12/2014 4:10:47 PM PDT by Iron Munro (The future ain't what it use to be -- Yogi Berra)
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To: Iron Munro

Probably neither (although Russian plans for the Baltics already exist—it’s tank country, and they can take them over in hours). I just found it funny that what RT was “reporting” didn’t quite turn out to be reality.


3 posted on 04/12/2014 4:14:11 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Iron Munro

That’s the trouble with doing something wicked. It’s like the proverbial Lays potato chips. You can’t eat just one.

There’s something bigger than Putin behind this. It’s Satan.


4 posted on 04/12/2014 4:15:30 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Intriguing.


5 posted on 04/12/2014 4:17:01 PM PDT by Rich21IE
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To: 1rudeboy

Must really suck to be a Nazi in Kiev these days...


6 posted on 04/12/2014 4:17:08 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: varmintman

Yup, the Nazis in Russia definitely have the upper hand.


7 posted on 04/12/2014 4:17:49 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: varmintman

A Nazi who pretty much leaves Jews alone, if the WJC has it right.


8 posted on 04/12/2014 4:18:19 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: 1rudeboy

For the Ukraine perspective:
http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/kiddofspeed/index.html


9 posted on 04/12/2014 4:19:09 PM PDT by Rich21IE
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Satan is also behind the complacency of the West.


10 posted on 04/12/2014 4:25:35 PM PDT by madameguinot
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Apparently, it might even be knowingly. I’ve been doing quite a bit of reading lately, and discovered that the Occult is really big in Russia, even amongst government officials and military generals, as well as political philosophers with ties directly to Putin, who appear on Russian state controlled television. Alexandr Dugin is the great example of this, who, apparently, is a big fan of Aleister Crowley, the Satanist. He also apparently believes in Nazi-like tribal religions emphasizing the Russian people and ethnicity. And there are major government officials in Moscow who, apparently, casually claim that the Russian people are the true heirs of the Aryan tribe, and declare the importance of making this fact known to children in history lessons.


11 posted on 04/12/2014 4:25:40 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Remember Aum Shinrikyo, those kooks who used Sarin gas in the Tokyo subway?

They had a huge following in Russia, and they even had a program on Radio Moscow’s World Service, I know this, because I even heard it myself, the weirdest thing I’ve ever heard in my life.


13 posted on 04/12/2014 4:27:51 PM PDT by dfwgator
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14 posted on 04/12/2014 4:28:43 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

We thought it was a scandal when Mrs. Reagan read the horoscopes. It’s worse in Russia?

I’ve been hearing some news from a friend, a member of a church where I used to go before moving to a different geographical area, about what’s going down in Ukraine spiritually. They’re praying in the public squares, both Orthodox, Catholic, and Protestant. Almost the direct opposite. She agreed with me that when evil is right at one’s doorstep, that’s the ultimate wake up call from God.

Ukraine might surprise the world here. It will suffer, but if firm enough in the Lord may not lose after all. Russia’s madness may consume Russia.


15 posted on 04/12/2014 4:29:32 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Also, it’s pagan and occult ideas that brought German Nazism to madness and then to a humiliating defeat. The Jews took it in the nose in the process.


16 posted on 04/12/2014 4:33:34 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: musicman

Oh, lol (sadly)


17 posted on 04/12/2014 4:35:39 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: dfwgator

he Communist regime at least was an equal opportunity squelcher of spirituality. With that gone, it’s gone mad.


18 posted on 04/12/2014 4:37:24 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: dfwgator

he => The


19 posted on 04/12/2014 4:37:38 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
We thought it was a scandal when Mrs. Reagan read the horoscopes. It’s worse in Russia?

A great deal worse, apparently! Not just astrology, but every sort of weirdo pseudo-science has its run in Russia, in universities, "philosophers," tv programs, and even to the highest levels, with Shamanism, Theosophy, and all sorts of goofy stuff, and scary stuff, among people of power, creating policy! I have constantly been thinking through all this that Russia is very much where Nazi Germany was prior to WW2. The rhetoric and other circumstances are very very similar, and I fear we really might be on the verge of another world war. They've actually been preparing for war for many years, while we, on the other hand, have been disarming.

20 posted on 04/12/2014 4:47:51 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: 1rudeboy

If NATO wanted to do it up right I’m sure there are photographs of May Day Parades, the Holodomar Genocide and attacks on Hungary and Poland.


21 posted on 04/12/2014 4:53:10 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

If Christians take the hint this time around it might not ever need to become a shooting war.


22 posted on 04/12/2014 4:58:14 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Putin is so Macho ,he could jump threw a wood chipper and never touch a blade , LOL


23 posted on 04/12/2014 5:41:56 PM PDT by molson209 (Hillary Clinton)
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To: 1rudeboy

Russians don’t stop and think, they stop and reload.


24 posted on 04/12/2014 6:15:06 PM PDT by drunknsage
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To: 1rudeboy

What do the European leaders hope to accomplish by showing satellite photos of Russian troops amassing on the Ukrainian border?

Maybe the same thing the Kim Jung family of North Korean dictators hoped to accomplish over several decades by showing their citizens photos of American troops on North Korea’s border — namely, instilling fear and loathing of Americans in them along with more love for their embattled fatherland so that they would work harder at their slave labor camps.

But what will the European people do if the Russian-troop photos make them feel more anti-Russian and more patriotic towards Europe? Will the French agree to work longer hours by adopting a 36-hour work week? Maybe they’ll even agree to take only three weeks’ vacation in August instead of the usual entire month. Will the newly inspired citizens of Spain agree to eliminate their daily siestas?

What if Vladimir Putin decides to invade Ukraine during the next big European soccer tournament, in order to be sure that no one will pay any attention to what he’s doing?


25 posted on 04/12/2014 6:17:25 PM PDT by Bluestocking
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To: Bluestocking
Ok, back up a little. Russia claims there is no troop build-up. NATO shows photos of it. Russia claims the photos are old. NATO shows the photos are not. And you think we are being spun by NATO?

Not that there's any problem with that, just admit you approve of Russia's spin over NATO's.

26 posted on 04/12/2014 6:27:49 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Iron Munro

Who knows. They would be armed with nukes ready to wipe Europe and the clueless media would never dare raise the possibility.


27 posted on 04/12/2014 6:32:53 PM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: All

Further moves are coming soon, Putin would not encourage these pro-Russian forces to lay the groundwork for no reason. They are probably waiting for a few days to get better weather for military operations, and the closer the date gets to late April and early May (the combination of patriotic holidays in Russia such as May first and Victory Day a week later) the better. They expect a lot of bluster and not much action from NATO. With Obama and Kerry in charge, this seems like a safe bet.


28 posted on 04/12/2014 6:33:53 PM PDT by Peter ODonnell (It wasn't this cold before global warming)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Except his partnership with Iran and Syria


29 posted on 04/12/2014 6:36:20 PM PDT by Rock Eye Jack
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To: 1rudeboy

The Russians in eastern Ukraine aren’t going to take any crap from the Right Sector fascists in Kiev. You all can bellyache all you want.


30 posted on 04/12/2014 7:28:03 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: Ciexyz

I refer you to my comment #7.


31 posted on 04/12/2014 7:32:02 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Rock Eye Jack

I thought that was supposed to be an ironic reference to goings-on in Ukraine. Russia was accusing Ukraine of being in bed with Nazis. If they were, the Jews of Ukraine haven’t really noticed.


32 posted on 04/12/2014 7:32:37 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Can NATO stop Russia? No.

Will Russia intervene? Short of an extreme situation, no. Russia has plenty of non-military leverage on hand.

Is Putin bluffing? No.

If Russia has deployed forces what is the purpose? Psychological warfare.

Russia would probably in the current crisis prefer to use a scalpel rather than a sledgehammer.

NATO doesn’t deter Russia at all. Anshel Pfeffer is an idiot.


33 posted on 04/12/2014 7:46:45 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: 1rudeboy
When the Kremlin said the images showed a large exercise that had taken place last year, NATO published more pictures proving that the bases set up for Russian troops did not even exist before the beginning of last month.

LOL! Oops. The Russkies are sucking. They used to be much better at propaganda. Maybe they need to unearth a few Stalin and Lenin statues, clean them up and put them up for inspiration.

34 posted on 04/12/2014 8:43:12 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Play the 'Knockout Game' with someone owning a 9mm and you get what you deserve)
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To: VeniVidiVici

The beauty of it is that the propaganda is so brazen. It’s hilarious. And it works, witness the FR Borscht Brigade.


35 posted on 04/12/2014 8:46:58 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

"These aren't the Russian Troops you're looking for."

36 posted on 04/12/2014 8:50:37 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: 1rudeboy
Good evening.

Instead, NATO is trying to keep Russia in check with a media campaign.

LOL!

Putin's laughing too.

5.56mm

37 posted on 04/12/2014 8:54:16 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: M Kehoe

38 posted on 04/12/2014 8:56:07 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: M Kehoe

I will admit, that part of it is humorous, also. NATO is “launching” a media campaign that the Russians flicked a switch and turned-off.


39 posted on 04/12/2014 8:57:49 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: dfwgator

That is truly bizarre.


40 posted on 04/12/2014 8:59:07 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: dfwgator

41 posted on 04/12/2014 9:02:04 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
And it works, witness the FR Borscht Brigade.

LOL!!

From Lithuania -

42 posted on 04/12/2014 9:18:00 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Play the 'Knockout Game' with someone owning a 9mm and you get what you deserve)
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