Skip to comments.Vermont embarks on single-payer health care plan [set to begin in 2017]
Posted on 04/12/2014 7:13:34 PM PDT by grundle
I actually applaud this experiment. Lets see how it works out. Vermont, as it happens, shares a long border with New Hampshire, which prides itself on having no income tax or sales tax. Lets watch how people vote with their feet.
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This is exactly what the relationship between the several States and the Federal Government was meant to be.
The states are ‘experimental laboratories’ for government; health care, social issues, and economics conducted on a micro scale.
Agree, lets see how it works.
Now all they have to do is raise taxes by about 75% to pay for it. For the bums and out of work that will be fine, but for the working people, they will have to raise taxes by about $12000 per person per year.
Vermont has no restrictions on gun ownership. New Hampsire does. That's going to make a lot of the old Vermont families stay put.
Its the Left’s chance to make a showcase of single payer. That is why we have federalism in this country.
I do not think it will work. Americans are not better at managing socialism than Canadians, Europeans or Russians are.
I certainly don’t mind experimentation within the states. But Vermont is not at all a typical state. If Single Payer works there, it may not indicate anything useful for the other 49 states (or 56, or whatever).
Well, if the Vermont folks want it, let them have it. Just don’t expect the taxpayers from the other states to later bail Vermont out.
We don’t want it, and even the people who foist it on us are panicking because they can’t figure out how to pay for it. see tag
Although I think that single-payer is a fundamentally flawed idea, it is far better for one state to attempt it--and the other 49 states and DC can see how well it works--than it would be for the entire nation to be subjected to it, in the hope that it might turn out well.
The states should be, indeed, individual laboratories of democracy.
states should have the right to do this.....state govt generally is more responsive to the people it represents....
This experiment will never take off, nor go anywhere. IF they get federal approval to take medicare and other funds, they still have to raise 1.6 billion dollars, or put more accurately, $20,000 from every taxpaying family in New Hampshire.
Won’t work, the people won’t put up with that much new STATE taxes. It would make state of New Hampshire tax returns in the SAME tax bracket as federal taxes. But hey, that’s not the favorite liberal target - it’ll come half from the citizens (which means only $10,000 from every taxpaying family) and 800 million in new corporate taxes - in other words, nearly $85,000 in new taxes for every New Hampshire based corporation.
Dream proposal, passed by dreamers, and will never be enacted.
I oppose tyranny and communism at the state level as much as the federal
Let’s see how concentration camps work in one state before the rest
Forgot to mention, New Hampshire resident pay through the nose on property taxes.
Have faith, the money will be there. The pols will find it.
I've come to the conclusion that for Liberty to prevail, Property (wealth) taxes need to be eliminated.
So, I guess it's Consumption taxes that must prevail.
...and non-residents owning property there.
Vermont will become a favorite destination for those who are indigent and sick. More poor people and fewer doctors.
This is how it should work-each state taking its own direction, and the country as a whole can see what works and what doesn’t.
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We’ll see how soon the Lenin, Trotsky or Stalin of today will appear and take charge.
You are correct P2. Outlaw federal and state income tax . All state and federal property tax. Allow only retail sales tax set by the constitution at say 15% or so. Remove the ability of congress or any federal or state agency to tax. Allow the Feds to raise the sales tax in a national emergency. BUT three quarters of the states to approve the emergency tax hike. In general this will solve our tax problem and encourage the federal government to legislate for national prosperity.
The founders preferred high tariffs to fund the government. Let foreign factories pay for access to our market.
Here in the People's Republic of New Jersey, IIRC the consumption (sales) tax was the camel's nose under the tent. We now pay through the nose for property taxes -- and sales tax, and income tax, and business tax, and a death tax... we have a lottery too, so New Jersey eve taxes the inability to understand math and statistics. :)
Only way to starve the monster is to leave or to to go Galt.
Vermont will be interesting to watch -- but with a population of 626,630 and the health care resources of New Hampshire and Massachusetts to rely on, I'm not sure any conclusions made from this experiment will be the correct ones.
Free loaders into Vermont, productive people out.
The state used to be known for its machine tool and precision industries. Now it is known for maple syrup and lesbians.
In Vermont, they appeared a long time ago - the guy from the Chicago 7, Froines and his marxist, wife/child deserter friend, Lee Webb (I knew his wife).
Dave Dellinger, the Hanoi operative, moved their many decades ago along with hardcore reds and their weany marxist wannabes. That his how they took over the state.
Now, if the state takes on the marxist advocated and designed “singe payer health care plan”, we can say what a left-liberal financial angel of the Left (Martin Peretz of New Republic magazine) said when the Communist Party/Black extremists, took over the National Conference for New Politics. “They control it; let them pay for it”.
NCNP died out in a few years only to be resurrected as the “Socialist Scholars Conference” and eventually the marxist Democratic Socialists of America. (the DSA being the strongest marxist organization in the Obama election campaigns).
Just thought I’d throw in a little ideological history for you folks.
Drat! Maple syrup prices will probably skyrocket to help pay for it.