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Vermont embarks on single-payer health care plan [set to begin in 2017]
American Thinker ^ | April 12, 2017 | Thomas Lifson

Posted on 04/12/2014 7:13:34 PM PDT by grundle

I actually applaud this experiment. Let’s see how it works out. Vermont, as it happens, shares a long border with New Hampshire, which prides itself on having no income tax or sales tax. Let’s watch how people vote with their feet.

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KEYWORDS: obamacare; singlepayer; vermont; vt
I agree with the above paragraph. I am curious to see how this experiment turns out.
1 posted on 04/12/2014 7:13:34 PM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle

This is exactly what the relationship between the several States and the Federal Government was meant to be.

The states are ‘experimental laboratories’ for government; health care, social issues, and economics conducted on a micro scale.


2 posted on 04/12/2014 7:17:58 PM PDT by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE US OF US CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: grundle

Agree, lets see how it works.


3 posted on 04/12/2014 7:19:14 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor if you want. I never tell a lie ')
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To: grundle

Now all they have to do is raise taxes by about 75% to pay for it. For the bums and out of work that will be fine, but for the working people, they will have to raise taxes by about $12000 per person per year.


4 posted on 04/12/2014 7:20:38 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: grundle
Let’s watch how people vote with their feet.

Vermont has no restrictions on gun ownership. New Hampsire does. That's going to make a lot of the old Vermont families stay put.

5 posted on 04/12/2014 7:22:43 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: grundle

Its the Left’s chance to make a showcase of single payer. That is why we have federalism in this country.

I do not think it will work. Americans are not better at managing socialism than Canadians, Europeans or Russians are.


6 posted on 04/12/2014 7:27:02 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: grundle

I certainly don’t mind experimentation within the states. But Vermont is not at all a typical state. If Single Payer works there, it may not indicate anything useful for the other 49 states (or 56, or whatever).


7 posted on 04/12/2014 7:27:34 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

Well, if the Vermont folks want it, let them have it. Just don’t expect the taxpayers from the other states to later bail Vermont out.


8 posted on 04/12/2014 7:27:47 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: House Atreides

We don’t want it, and even the people who foist it on us are panicking because they can’t figure out how to pay for it. see tag


9 posted on 04/12/2014 7:34:01 PM PDT by VTenigma (The Democratic party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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To: grundle
I actually applaud this experiment. ...Let’s watch how people vote with their feet.

I agree.

Although I think that single-payer is a fundamentally flawed idea, it is far better for one state to attempt it--and the other 49 states and DC can see how well it works--than it would be for the entire nation to be subjected to it, in the hope that it might turn out well.

The states should be, indeed, individual laboratories of democracy.

10 posted on 04/12/2014 7:36:25 PM PDT by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: grundle

states should have the right to do this.....state govt generally is more responsive to the people it represents....


11 posted on 04/12/2014 7:37:36 PM PDT by cherry
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To: grundle

This experiment will never take off, nor go anywhere. IF they get federal approval to take medicare and other funds, they still have to raise 1.6 billion dollars, or put more accurately, $20,000 from every taxpaying family in New Hampshire.

Won’t work, the people won’t put up with that much new STATE taxes. It would make state of New Hampshire tax returns in the SAME tax bracket as federal taxes. But hey, that’s not the favorite liberal target - it’ll come half from the citizens (which means only $10,000 from every taxpaying family) and 800 million in new corporate taxes - in other words, nearly $85,000 in new taxes for every New Hampshire based corporation.

Dream proposal, passed by dreamers, and will never be enacted.


12 posted on 04/12/2014 7:38:00 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: grundle

I oppose tyranny and communism at the state level as much as the federal


13 posted on 04/12/2014 7:39:33 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: cherry

Let’s see how concentration camps work in one state before the rest


14 posted on 04/12/2014 7:42:20 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: grundle
New Hampshire, which prides itself on having no income tax or sales tax.

Forgot to mention, New Hampshire resident pay through the nose on property taxes.

15 posted on 04/12/2014 7:44:39 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: VTenigma
the people who foist it on us are panicking because they can’t figure out how to pay for it.

Have faith, the money will be there. The pols will find it.

16 posted on 04/12/2014 7:46:00 PM PDT by umgud
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
"Forgot to mention, New Hampshire resident pay through the nose on property taxes. "

I've come to the conclusion that for Liberty to prevail, Property (wealth) taxes need to be eliminated.

So, I guess it's Consumption taxes that must prevail.

17 posted on 04/12/2014 7:51:12 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
Forgot to mention, New Hampshire residents pay through the nose on property taxes.

...and non-residents owning property there.

18 posted on 04/12/2014 7:52:29 PM PDT by Does so ("Miranda Warnings" and loss of "Common-Law Marriage" = 2 Big Mistakes...)
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To: Does so

Vermont will become a favorite destination for those who are indigent and sick. More poor people and fewer doctors.

CC


19 posted on 04/12/2014 8:05:11 PM PDT by Captain Compassion
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To: grundle

This is how it should work-each state taking its own direction, and the country as a whole can see what works and what doesn’t.


20 posted on 04/12/2014 8:06:45 PM PDT by Spok ("What're you going to believe-me or your own eyes?" -Marx (Groucho))
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21 posted on 04/12/2014 8:12:41 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: grundle

We’ll see how soon the Lenin, Trotsky or Stalin of today will appear and take charge.


22 posted on 04/12/2014 8:19:22 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (If His Arrogance knows where his BC is, why did he have to hire someone to Photoshop a new one?)
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To: Paladin2

You are correct P2. Outlaw federal and state income tax . All state and federal property tax. Allow only retail sales tax set by the constitution at say 15% or so. Remove the ability of congress or any federal or state agency to tax. Allow the Feds to raise the sales tax in a national emergency. BUT three quarters of the states to approve the emergency tax hike. In general this will solve our tax problem and encourage the federal government to legislate for national prosperity.


23 posted on 04/12/2014 8:19:44 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Paladin2

The founders preferred high tariffs to fund the government. Let foreign factories pay for access to our market.


24 posted on 04/12/2014 8:20:02 PM PDT by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: Paladin2
So, I guess it's Consumption taxes that must prevail.

Here in the People's Republic of New Jersey, IIRC the consumption (sales) tax was the camel's nose under the tent. We now pay through the nose for property taxes -- and sales tax, and income tax, and business tax, and a death tax... we have a lottery too, so New Jersey eve taxes the inability to understand math and statistics. :)

Only way to starve the monster is to leave or to to go Galt.

Vermont will be interesting to watch -- but with a population of 626,630 and the health care resources of New Hampshire and Massachusetts to rely on, I'm not sure any conclusions made from this experiment will be the correct ones.

25 posted on 04/12/2014 8:24:04 PM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: grundle

Free loaders into Vermont, productive people out.


26 posted on 04/12/2014 8:29:11 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Defeat Hagan, elect a Constutional Conservative: Dr. Greg Brannon!)
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To: JSDude1

The state used to be known for its machine tool and precision industries. Now it is known for maple syrup and lesbians.


27 posted on 04/12/2014 9:21:08 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: RetiredTexasVet

In Vermont, they appeared a long time ago - the guy from the Chicago 7, Froines and his marxist, wife/child deserter friend, Lee Webb (I knew his wife).

Dave Dellinger, the Hanoi operative, moved their many decades ago along with hardcore reds and their weany marxist wannabes. That his how they took over the state.

Now, if the state takes on the marxist advocated and designed “singe payer health care plan”, we can say what a left-liberal financial angel of the Left (Martin Peretz of New Republic magazine) said when the Communist Party/Black extremists, took over the National Conference for New Politics. “They control it; let them pay for it”.

NCNP died out in a few years only to be resurrected as the “Socialist Scholars Conference” and eventually the marxist Democratic Socialists of America. (the DSA being the strongest marxist organization in the Obama election campaigns).

Just thought I’d throw in a little ideological history for you folks.


28 posted on 04/12/2014 9:38:12 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: grundle

Drat! Maple syrup prices will probably skyrocket to help pay for it.


29 posted on 04/13/2014 4:39:37 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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