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Bush draws boos from conservatives
The Hill ^ | April 12, 2014 | Alexandra Jaffe

Posted on 04/12/2014 10:25:02 PM PDT by kingattax

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To: Theodore R.

If he was a Democrat, and just voted, once each election, for Democrats, he would have had no real effect on government.

It’s the work behind the scenes that is off the charts in the effects it had.


151 posted on 04/15/2014 7:44:11 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: SpeakerToAnimals

Well, since you are a libertarian, you don’t have a say in many state’s primaries. Your candidate won’t even be of consequence in the 2016 election, other than to serve as fodder for the posters here on the premiere conservative website to attack the republican nominee.

Good Luck electing a libertarian to the White House.


152 posted on 04/15/2014 8:20:10 AM PDT by swpa_mom
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To: swpa_mom; SpeakerToAnimals; tacticalogic; Shugee; ecomcon; Eddie01

“wow, a personal attack from someone on the premiere conservative website,”

Aww, you mean you’re a “victim” now?

What a pity. You were doing such a good job at finding all of the posters on this thread playing the victim and then suddenly... you’re a victim. People can be so mean to you. Group hug for swpa_mom!!

Here’s a clue for you: this is a conservative forum and not the GOP rah-rah site that you are looking for. People here are inclined to say things that will greatly offend GOP establishment groupies.

So while you get all dreamy over Jeb Bush and Karl Rove and Mitt Romney and all the other boys whose posters you have on the wall, that’s not likely to be a widely shared view around here.

You’re going to have to toughen up! It’s going to be like when all the mean kids insulted your favorite boy band and you had to defend them! I know you can do it.


153 posted on 04/15/2014 8:22:12 AM PDT by Pelham (If you do not deport it is amnesty by default.)
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To: Wallace T.

If the political game is “fixed”, are you saying that Ted Cruz is the ONLY one not in on the fix? I admire the heck out of Ted Cruz and I think he would make a terrific president.

Are you going to help him raise the funds necessary to fend off the liberal media and big money elites on the left? What if Ted Cruz doesn’t run, will you claim to be yet another victim of the eeeeeeeeevil “GOPe”? (whatever that is)

Here on the premiere conservative website, the thought process among many frequent posters is to attack anyone who’s not.....their choice. “I’m not gonna vote for X if he/she is the nominee, not good enough!”

It’s so easy to be the victim, isn’t it? Obama has taught you well.


154 posted on 04/15/2014 8:27:48 AM PDT by swpa_mom
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To: Wallace T.
he precedent was set by Eisenhower, who decided not to pursue repeal of the Roosevelt and Truman social legislation. His vice president, Nixon, did likewise with respect to Johnson's Great Society legislation when it was his turn to be President. Ditto for the Bushes and even Reagan. There is no reason to believe that a Jeb Bush or a Ryan would be any different from their GOP predecessors should either one of them, or any other RINOs, defeat the Democrat nominee.

Nixon went even further than that. Rather than just passively failing to oppose the creeping welfare state (as was the case with Eisenhower), he actually built upon LBJ's "Great Society" foundation and signed even more extensive programs into law. Much as Bush II did with many Clinton-era programs.

155 posted on 04/15/2014 8:53:14 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: ek_hornbeck

“Nixon went even further than that. Rather than just passively failing to oppose the creeping welfare state (as was the case with Eisenhower), he actually built upon LBJ’s “Great Society” foundation and signed even more extensive programs into law. Much as Bush II did with many Clinton-era programs. “

A good point which many don’t know.


156 posted on 04/15/2014 10:11:17 AM PDT by Pelham (If you do not deport it is amnesty by default.)
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To: swpa_mom
,Rand Paul is a good choice as well, although I am not convinced he has walked away entirely from his father's pacifistic views on foreign affairs. I have reservations about Marco Rubio on immigration matters, but he is sound overall. So Cruz is not the only choice out there, though he is the best one.

But we cannot play the GOP-e vs. Democrat game ad infinitum. The conservatives in the Republican Party must focus on one candidate to overcome the moderates in the party. Their successes in Presidential primaries from 1988 onward have been predicated on their focus on a single candidate against a multiple field of conservatives. Last time around, Michelle Bachmann, Newt Gingrich, Rick Perry, and Herman Cain did not have a prayer of winning, but they stayed in the primary contention long enough to prevent a coalescence around a single candidate to oppose Romney. Ditto for 2008, 2000, 1996, 1992, and 1988. Since 1940, there have only been two conservative wins in the GOP presidential nomination process: Goldwater and Reagan. In both cases, the conservatives were united, and the moderates divided.

157 posted on 04/15/2014 10:51:28 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: ClaytonP
The rabid hateful bushbots destroyed the credibility of the conservative opposition to big government.

The tools worshipped him instead of opposing his drunken-sailor spending.

You nailed that like a split hog.

158 posted on 04/15/2014 12:19:22 PM PDT by Eddie01 (Liberals lie about everything all the time.)
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To: Pelham

What a snarky post.

Not that I’m surprised. You can skip the group hug, thank you, anyhow. Hugs I receive from my family and friends are more than sufficient.

I have to chuckle at all of the assumptions made by the most frequent posters here on the premiere conservative website. Let me make something abundantly clear to you. In 2016, I will vote for the republican nominee. Oh, you can skip the “what if it’s ??”. Maybe I’m just well aware that this country is a hot mess and another liberal administration won’t help matters at all.

I am also chuckling at you claiming I am “dreamy” for certain people. Ahhh, this old lady doesn’t really much care what a group of circular firing squad “victims” say to her. Flame away. I’m going to support and enthusiastically vote for the republican nominee in 2016.

You can keep on typing about how that yet to be named person isn’t conservative enough for you and therefore, you’ll stay home to teach the “GOPe” (whatever that is) a lesson!

Waaah.

Really. How would I put it if I happened to be 40 years younger.......ah yes, stop being such a jagoff.

Oh, and by the way, my favorite “boy band” happens to be led by two fine gentlemen who are even older than me!


159 posted on 04/15/2014 5:55:28 PM PDT by swpa_mom
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To: swpa_mom

“Let me make something abundantly clear to you. In 2016, I will vote for the Republican nominee”

I have no doubt that your commitment to the GOP is absolute and without reservation.

There can be no Republican too far to the Left for you to fail to vote for the nominee. And that’s how the GOPe likes it.

But I noticed another FR thread that requires your attention. Snarky conservative victims are insulting the GOP over here and they need you to set them straight:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3144840/posts


160 posted on 04/15/2014 6:15:28 PM PDT by Pelham (If you do not deport it is amnesty by default.)
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To: swpa_mom; Pelham
Maybe I’m just well aware that this country is a hot mess and another liberal administration won’t help matters at all.

You're right, it won't. And it doesn't matter whether that liberal administration is lead by a Democrat or a Republican, except for those for whom party affiliation trumps ideas or principles.

If you had the sense to take off your blinders of party loyalty, you'd realize that it really doesn't matter whether social welfare policies, amnesty for illegal immigrants, and crony subsidies for the financial services sector are pushed through by Democrats or by Republicans. The net result is the same.

161 posted on 04/15/2014 8:09:46 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: ek_hornbeck

It’s odd that all of these comments are coming from “different” posters, yet carry the same theme.

I will repeat once again, for you, “ek_hornbeck”, in 2016, I will vote for the republican nominee for President.

Now, IF that nominee isn’t one to your (and the other posters carrying the same theme) liking, doesn’t that mean that you didn’t do your job during the primaries?

You can stay home again, or vote for the probable dem nominee Hillary, because isn’t the meme “they’re both the same”!

You remain the victim, I’ll continue to respond to all of the different posters responding to me with the exact same memo.


162 posted on 04/16/2014 4:27:11 AM PDT by swpa_mom
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To: swpa_mom
The primary in Colorado is so late in the game we get no choice in primaries. The last presidential primary I got a choice in was 1996. Gary Johnson was just as consequential as your hero Mitt the Mormon twit.

Good luck electing Fat boy or Jeb. The party you champion will not let a conservative in.

163 posted on 04/16/2014 5:17:23 AM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: SpeakerToAnimals

You can’t work for another state’s primary? What is stopping you? If you are so adamant that certain people shouldn’t be the nominee, it would make sense that you work for the person you WANT to be the nominee. If I was so upset that people I loathe so much that I call them names even had the chance at the nomination, I think I would really put forth some effort to make sure my candidate had a chance. But then, doing that would prevent one from complaining all the time, wouldn’t it?

So, you’re a victim yet again. What a pity.


164 posted on 04/16/2014 6:33:13 AM PDT by swpa_mom
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To: swpa_mom
It’s odd that all of these comments are coming from “different” posters, yet carry the same theme.

I could similarly argue that your posts are virtually indistinguishable from others who think that liberal policies are just fine, as long as they're passed under the watch of a Republican. In other words, had LBJ given us price controls, you would have been complaining. When Nixon did the same, you probably defended the policies to the death. Similarly, you're probably behind those Republicans who support amnesty for illegals, while opposing the very same policies when they're pushed by Democrats.

Perhaps you've heard of "yellow dog Democrats" - a completely mindless political party animal. You Karl Rove lapdogs are the GOP equivalent.

165 posted on 04/16/2014 7:31:23 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: Pelham

Pelham, are you actually telling me that there is ANOTHER thread here on the premiere conservative website trashing President George W. Bush? NO WAY! Seriously, that shocks me beyond belief.

You poor, poor, victim of the “GOPe” (whatever that is)


166 posted on 04/16/2014 7:36:27 AM PDT by swpa_mom
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To: ek_hornbeck

No, it’s different, “ek_hornbeck”, but I am not the victim of the eeeeevil “GOPe” (whatever that is). I don’t need a plethora of posters here on the premiere conservative website to come to my defense when others (with different screen names but the same message) claim they just can’t work for their candidate!

Isn’t that the real issue here? You and the “others” just want to be the victims of the eeeeeevil “GOPe” while you fail to work for your own candidate. Once the republican party elects its nominee, then your victimization starts anew! The eeeeeevil Karl Rove and the “GOPe” did it! You and the “others” will cry “I AM STAYING HOME THIS ELECTION”, all because the unnamed candidate you wanted didn’t win. If only you had worked for that candidate......

You poor poor victim. Obama has taught you well, eh?


167 posted on 04/16/2014 7:44:30 AM PDT by swpa_mom
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To: swpa_mom
You're even more vacuous than I thought.

I know I'm wasting my breath talking to a broken record, "swpa_mom," but let me ask you an honest question. Is there any political issue, any issue at all, where you would refuse to vote for a Republican candidate? Is there no compromise or drift to the Left that you would consider unacceptable, as long as you get the "R" next to the name? It seems to me that if Hillary Clinton ran as a Republican (and why not, John McCain and Jeb Bush have more in common with Hillary and Obama than they do with someone like Ted Cruz), you'd gladly vote for her too.

I also repeat my question to you: what is the difference between having welfare state policies and price controls signed into law by a Democrat (LBJ) or a Republican (Nixon)? What's the difference between having amnesty for illegal immigrants peddled by Bush or by Obama? I don't suppose "swpa_mom" will have an answer to these questions. It's so much easier to the let Republican National Committee do all of the thinking for you, isn't it?

168 posted on 04/16/2014 9:57:23 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: swpa_mom

“You poor, poor, victim of the “GOPe” (whatever that is)”

Assuming that the word ‘victim’ has real meaning and isn’t, as it appears to be, your favorite obsessive fetish, it seems to mean “all my conservative enemies who fail to brown nose the Republican establishment”.

If that’s the case ‘GOPe victim’ could become a popular self identifier around here.


169 posted on 04/16/2014 5:20:48 PM PDT by Pelham (If you do not deport it is amnesty by default.)
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To: ek_hornbeck; swpa_mom

“I don’t suppose “swpa_mom” will have an answer to these questions. “

ek, now you’re just being mean. Our thoughtful interlocutor swpa_mom will cogitate on this conundrum, and having carefully weighed all the pertinent facts will declare that.... that you are a poor victim. A ‘victim of the eeeeevil “GOPe”, whatever that is’.

It’s a pity that she didn’t come up with a shorter tag line for us, then we could use it.


170 posted on 04/16/2014 5:27:05 PM PDT by Pelham (If you do not deport it is amnesty by default.)
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To: Pelham; ek_hornbeck

Are you two the same person or just joined at the hip?


171 posted on 04/16/2014 6:27:34 PM PDT by swpa_mom
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To: ek_hornbeck; Pelham

ek_hornbeck, or Pelham, if you’re the same person.........when it comes to the presidential election, I am voting for the republican. There are two choices, democrat or republican. Dream away about the third party candidate, maybe in my great grandchildren’s lifetime, but not in 2016. You see, we have a primary process that you probably don’t like. Are you the one who last voted in 1996 for Gary Johnson, or was that the other poster who answers for you? I’m confused at this point. I remember the attacks towards a good man, Rick Santorum, from so many of the regular posters here on the premiere conservative website. Surely you remember that. The reason for the attacks? his votes? no. his policies? no.

He did not endorse Pat Toomey in a primary election. You see, on this premiere conservative website, votes and policies don’t matter, it’s all about endorsements? Oh, I know what you might be thinking, geez that Toomey guy has kinda fallen out of favor here on the premiere conservative website. That doesn’t matter, Rick Santorum HAD to be attacked by many of the regular posters here for THAT reason alone.

Are there moderate democrats? No. Bob Casey was fed to the mush brain yewt as one, but Bob Casey is barely aware of his own existence. He does as told. But, to many here on the premiere conservative website, Santorum HAD to be defeated for his horrible mistake of endorsing the wrong person in a primary election! Surely you recall all of that.

So, you two continue your snarky comments and remember, whoever the republican candidate happens to be in 2016, he or she gets my vote. Period. Oh, you can stomp your feet and have your temper tantrum, “not conservative enough, I’m staying home”. If you want a candidate, you better get moving, that person is going to need a ton of money to defeat the dem candidate with all of that union money. Unless, of course, you would rather just complain about the republican field from the comfort of your sofa.

Obama has taught you to become a victim and you’re a victim of that eeeeeeeeevil “GOPe” (whatever that is).


172 posted on 04/16/2014 6:42:32 PM PDT by swpa_mom
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To: swpa_mom

“Obama has taught you to become a victim and you’re a victim of that eeeeeeeeevil “GOPe” (whatever that is).”

You demonstrated long ago that you are a One Note Johnny. Or Janey as the case may be.

Your MO is to go to a thread, post a rant denouncing ‘conservative firing squads’ ‘conservative purists’ and anything else that gets in the way of the Republican moderates and liberals that make you swoon. You were pushing Chris Christie back in January.

We get it. You like GOP establishment hacks and you come here to beat a drum for them.

I don’t know if it is because you aren’t especially bright and imagine yourself to be a voice of reason or whether it’s because you’re a troll who enjoys being a skunk at the party.


173 posted on 04/16/2014 10:35:23 PM PDT by Pelham (If you do not deport it is amnesty by default.)
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To: Pelham

Eye iz vary stoopid.

So, are you the one who hasnt voted since he (or she) voted for Gary Johnson, or are you the other one?

Its a difficult concept for you to understand? I will not vote for the democrat nominee for president. I will also not vote for the democrat for president by default by having a temper tantrum claiming the republican just isnt perfect enough.

If i am that angry at the republican field, i will blame myself for not working harder for that perfect candidate.

I will, not, however, become a victim, as Obama has taught you to be.

Who is “we”? You and the other poster with a different name but the same vocabulary?


174 posted on 04/17/2014 5:14:26 AM PDT by swpa_mom
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To: swpa_mom
I work in Libertarian primaries. The republican party left me. This is a conservative website. There are maybe five conservative republicans. All the leadership is pure socialist.

If the republican party wants my vote they must fire. Boehener, McConnel, Cantor, and Ryan from all leadership and committees. Then I will consider voting republican again.

175 posted on 04/17/2014 6:27:10 AM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: swpa_mom

Well, whatever you are ‘tiresome’ is part of it.

Good luck with the RINO cheerleading. Someone has to do it.


176 posted on 04/17/2014 12:35:31 PM PDT by Pelham (If you do not deport it is amnesty by default.)
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