Skip to comments.Kiev bows to Moscow, devolves near-autonomous powers on restive pro-Russian regions(Russia Won)
Posted on 04/13/2014 12:53:34 AM PDT by goldstategop
The Ukrainian government has offered sweeping autonomous powers to restive, pro-Moscow regions of the country, in an attempt to hold its head above water against Moscow, without a source of revenue or a viable army. Acting prime minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk told regional leaders and businessmen Friday, April 11, in the eastern town of Donetsk, where pro-Russian separatists have declared a Peoples Republic, that he is ready for parliament to consider a law on referendums. The referendum staged by Crimea last month caused the region to join the Russian Federation and practically precipitated the revival of the Cold War. The devolution of power to the regions is a major concession by the pro-Western administration in Kiev to Moscow which, backed by 40,000 troops on Ukraines borders, demands recognition of the rights of Russian speakers living in the countrys east and south by means of a federal system.. Yatsenyuk proposed handing executive committees in each region, all financial, economic, administration and other powers, giving them the ability to attract investment. The central government is ready to meet the legal demands of every resident of the country, he said. With the separatist movement spreading Saturday, armed men in camouflage occupied a police building in Slaviansk, 150 km from the Russian border - the provisional government in Kiev met the protesters half-way to avert Ukraines breakup into pro-Western European and pro-Russian regions. His only condition was that the regional administrations recognize central government in Kiev. The prime minister did not refer to the Crimean breakaway from Ukraine when he addressed the separatists. It was clear to both sides that the strategic peninsula's annexation to Russia was water under the bridge and any international deal on the future of Ukraine would have to accept it as an accomplished fact and move on. The offer of devolution came six days before the foreign ministers of the US, Russia, the European Union and Ukraine are due to meet in Geneva to discuss how to defuse the world powers confrontation over Ukraine. Yatsenyuks offer sounded like a trial balloon to show Moscow how far the West was willing to go for an accommodation. The Donetsk protesters turned him down on the spot, but the rules of the game are laid down in Moscow. . Even so, up until the four-way foreign ministers meeting in Geneva, local separatist firebrands will increasingly assert their claims in one trouble spot after another by taking over power centers in their regions. Clashes cannot be ruled out with the provisional authorities when they show resistance. DEBKAfile: The provisional Ukrainian governments offer of near-autonomous powers to the regions is the first backward step to be taken by the US and EU from its confrontation with Moscow since Crimeas breakaway. Russian troop concentrations on Ukraines borders are clearly there to stay, and Moscow has further turned the screw by its gas sanction against Ukraine, which is being charged a much higher price for its gas and told to settle payment for past supplies. If Moscow makes good on a threat to cut off Ukraine for non-payment of bills, supplies to the rest of Europe would be disrupted. From the early days of the Ukraine crisis, DEBKAfiles sources reported that the government set up in Kiev had no chance of survival; nor were its leaders qualified to rule a country of 46 million and certainly not to stand up to Russian military and economic might. Nevertheless, the Obama administration and NATO officials continued to issue a stream of portentous denunciations against Moscow and Friday, more Crimean officials were added to the US sanctions list - even though it must be obvious to Washington that the US, Europe and NATO combined are short of the traction military, economic and political for forcing Moscow to accept the provisional regime. The billions of dollars they have laid out for propping it up went on a lost cause.
This is a big win for Moscow and a major defeat for the West.
If the Russian speaking, Russian orthodox church attending, ethnically Russian people of eastern Ukraine are fools enough to submit themselves to a mafia government in Moscow, why should we put ourselves at risk of the wrong war at the wrong time in the wrong place to save them from their own folly?
In effect, I must concede I am countenancing one man, one vote, one time which I oppose in places like Iraq or Afghanistan-oppose in the sense that I see no connection between pouring American blood and treasure into the sands of those countries and making America secure from terrorism of the pan-Islam movement to dominate the world. And that is the distinction: The acquisition by Russia of eastern Ukraine does not pose a threat to the security of the United States. I do not even believe there is a real historical parallel going back to the 1930s in the era of appeasement.
In sum, when a pan national movement such as communism when it was virulent and aggressive, fascism in the same mode, or Islamism, grab off a piece of turf even, by the consent of its occupants, I say we have to be Ronald Reagan like in our defense posture. But when one man, one vote, one time occurs without substantially increasing the threat to national security, I say we increase our defense forces, accumulate allies, and bide our time.
Exactly my view.
Our punishment of Russia hasn’t increased our influence or shown our deterrence.
We all knew how it was going to end... and you don’t bring a knife to a gunfight.
A Chicago Community Organizer was outmaneuvered by a KGB spy. They can keep telling themselves in Washington Moscow was taught a lesson.
The facts say different.
You can shoot the messenger.
I am not gloating! We are playing with a weak hand - and bluffing.
If you can refute the report, be my guest. But our hearts, time and money weren’t in this fight and FYI, most Americans don’t care.
You don’t need to tell me about good vs. evil.
We lost one and we’ll live to fight where it really matters - and when it does my friend, we’ll be fighting in the same trenches together.
Our money is in this fight...big time....big time. Who do you think funds 90% of the EU?
EU? Europe is wealthy enough to defend itself.
They have to live with Russia. We don’t. And that’s a fact that will be obvious long after this crisis over.
We don’t have to live with Russia? How is that possible, even short term?
I see your point, but I doubt if Russia is willing to let these votes occur inside Russia where Russians are not the majority. It’s a tool they want to use to weaken Ukraine; it’s not a sincere concern for the poor Russian speakers.
There is, to be sure, a good chance that blood is flowing today. So you can be happy about that.
You are right Ukraine will still be a separate country but a Russian satellite in fact. Smart move by Putin we have no leverage
The EU has over three times the population of Russia and an even bigger lead in money.
The EU though has no real military muscle and no way to stand up to Russia.
Today’s debacle in Slaviansk have only underlined the vital importance of Ukraine in Moscow.
This is nothing for us to get ourselves in a twist about.
Right now the we live in the Democratic Socialist States of Amerika. We need to get our Constitutional Republic back before we worry about Russia and the Ukraine.
Seems a likely outcome, but is there a source other than Debka?
I Imagine that in all but a few large cities in the East of Ukraine a vote to join Russia would lose. So will these cities be Russian enclaves within the Federal districts? There choice is either to be part of Europe or Asia.
The government offices of the Oblasts the Russians want to steal have been captured by Russian troops. What type of self determination does that allow? The Majority Ukrainian populations will be suppressed if not cleansed.
Do I believe that 96% of Crimea voted to join Russia? Of course not but I do believe that the majority did. I have no idea how the majority will vote in eastern Ukraine but if they have a fair and honest election which opts for Russia so be it even if it is one man, one vote, one time.
I do not pretend to be an expert on the ethnic breakdown of Ukraine, I am merely reacting to what I have seen. This map from the Washington Post tells a somewhat different story:
Your links are like the Maidanheads. Nonfunctional.
Your links are like the Maidanheads. Nonfunctional.Actually, my links are functional. Content at the links is an entirely different matter.
I understand. The rifle works. The rounds are duds.
The person I replied to got the rounds.
Ethnic Russians are a minority in all Oblasts of rump Ukraine. Especially the area bordering Crimea.