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Ukraine turmoil LIVE UPDATES (CIA director John Brennan gave go-ahead to Kiev regime)
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Posted on 04/13/2014 3:21:58 AM PDT by kronos77

Sunday, April 13 09:58 GMT: A video, showing anti-Maidan protesters in Slavyansk who have erected barricades in front of the regional police department, has been published online by an eyewitness.

09:54 GMT: A video showing armored infantry vehicles in the Donetsk region city of Slavyansk has been published online by Delovoy Slavyansk newspaper. The video shows at least a dozen vehicles with military personnel apparently preparing for the Kiev-ordered crackdown.

09:25 GMT: One Ukrainian state security officer was killed and five others were wounded on the side of government forces in a security operation against anti-Maidan protesters in Slavyansk, Ukraine’s east, according to the acting interior minister.

On the side of the protesters, there was an "unidentifiable number" of casualties during the operation, Arsen Avakov said on his Facebook page.

09:23 GMT: The troops besieging Ukraine’s Slavyansk all come from Western Ukraine, a source in Ukraine’s security agencies told RIA Novosti on condition of anonymity. The source also alleged that they are the entire contingent of western Ukrainian forces.

09:06 GMT: The anti-Maidan protesters have seized the city council, police and prosecutors’ office buildings in the Donetsk region town of Enakievo. The town is home to some 85,000 people.

09:06 GMT: US Vice-President Joe Biden will visit Kiev on April 22 to show Washington’s support “for a united, democratic Ukraine that makes its own choices about its future path,” the White House said.

Meanwhile, CIA director John Brennan has reportedly already visited Kiev and held a meeting with the country’s leaders, as well as with representatives of Ukraine’s security agencies, a source from Ukraine’s parliament, the Verkhovna Rada, told Interfax news agency.

According to unconfirmed reports, Brennan influenced the decision by the Kiev authorities to crackdown on anti-Maidan activists in the eastern city of Slavyansk, the source said.

(Excerpt) Read more at rt.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: kiyev; obama; russia; urkaine

1 posted on 04/13/2014 3:21:58 AM PDT by kronos77
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To: kronos77
Now, this is Russian news source - but since Western media are in full control of their regimes it is sadly, the only way to see other side of the story.

For me, personally, this is Deja vu. In 1991, this is how it started in former Yugoslavia. Nationalist came to power and than Croatian nationalists reduced rights of Serbs from being constitutional nation alongside of Croats - to status of minority.
Serbs setup barricades and Croatian regime enlisted “patriots and volunteers” in “special police units” - with “go-ahead” from US and NATO - they attacked Serb areas.

Alll this alll over again

2 posted on 04/13/2014 3:27:03 AM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: kronos77

If a competent POTUS were in charge, we would be arming and training the Ukrainian army, declaring Russia a Terrorist state, and going after Belarus and other Russian allies. We would also be scrapping arms treaties with Russia.


3 posted on 04/13/2014 3:33:20 AM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: kronos77
The whole mess started with the coup...the same folks from the Orange Revolution.

Had they waited until the election...which was only a few months away...maybe things would be different.

Now the people...both sides, have been backed into a wall.

Ukraine has not done well by their more than 20 years of independence.

Flame as you will but it's the truth.

4 posted on 04/13/2014 3:37:24 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Thunder90
Did that in Vietnam,Croatia, Bosnia, Kosovo.... didn't went well. Kiev regime does not even represent all of Ukrainians. It those regions there are 30% of Russians yet 60% support for ousted pro-Russian president. Math says that all of Russians and significant number of Ukrainians are against Sodomite regime in Kiev.
5 posted on 04/13/2014 3:40:43 AM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Yes. It reminds me of Anschluss.

Hitler wanted Austria, but Austrian chancellor Dolphus refused to merge with Reich. He got killed.

Yanukovich refused to join Sodomite European Reich - so he got ousted and Nazis came to power in Kiev.


6 posted on 04/13/2014 3:42:26 AM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: kronos77

Now that the shooting has started and there are battlefield causalties - it sure look like it’s “game on” from this point. I don’t think things will ratchet down from here but way more likely ratchet up.


7 posted on 04/13/2014 3:43:55 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj_c6MACqnQ#t=127

Polish TV crew interviewing Donetsk rebels. Take notice that those “fierce Kremlin commandos” are old ladies and women. Most likely locals. Seems that there is popular uprising against Kiev regime.

8 posted on 04/13/2014 4:40:12 AM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: kronos77

So it starts—Next move belongs to Putin. Obama has—so it seems—given the OK to pull the rebellious provinces (supported by Russia) back under Kiev control. This will not end well.


9 posted on 04/13/2014 4:47:32 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

Told you.. I was 14 and I have seen all of this back than. Ex Yugoslavia all over again.


10 posted on 04/13/2014 4:50:30 AM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: kronos77

The weapons used by the unidentified pro-Russian forces are highly unusual. The reason being owning anything other than a shotgun in Ukraine is virtually impossible. Even the shotgun or a .22 requires paperwork and bribes most Ukrainians cannot justify or afford.

So where did the pro-Russians get weapons? The answer to that should be obvious. BTW, RT is a direct disinformation feed from the Kremlin.


11 posted on 04/13/2014 5:16:07 AM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Of course they haven’t done well. Until Yanukovych and his cronies abandoned their high government posts, there was no coup, there was a criminal syndicate running Ukraine. Coup is straight from the Russian disinformation program.

Where did the missing $35 to $45 billion dollars go? Here’s one place. Check out his palace then Google his official salary.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10656023/In-pictures-Inside-the-palace-Yanukovych-didnt-want-Ukraine-to-see.html

Putin is upset because he’s part of the same type of regime running Russia. He has to be concerned the events in Ukraine might give Russians ideas.

Our media either through laziness or complicity is mostly parroting the Russian disinformation as you have done.


12 posted on 04/13/2014 5:28:58 AM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: kronos77

US special operators point out in `Benghazi, the Definitive Report’ that former NSA director, now CIA head and `Drone Master’ John Brennan was responsible for the tragedy at our Benghazi consulate.
Of course, Zero and Shrillary played their parts as well.
If Brennan’s over there with Slow Joe Biden—this can’t end well for anyone.
Our foreign policy is shambolic. It’s at the point, I think, where we have to play George Costanza “opposites”: Whatever Obama & Co. recommend, do the opposite.


13 posted on 04/13/2014 5:39:48 AM PDT by tumblindice (Are all Democrats inveterate, habitual liars?)
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To: Thunder90

No, that would be a moronic course of action and not in America’s interests.

Ukraine needs to find a peaceful solution that everyone can live with. That means the 47% of people who voted for the elected president who was overthrown in a coup need to be brought into a consensus, which will mean major concessions by the coup government. Bringing the country back together will take time.

All this psycho talk about war and killing people is exactly what most Americans don’t want to hear. It’s exactly the mentality that lost Congress in 2006 and lost the White House in 2008.

Keep in mind that it’s the same folks in the State Dept. and CIA who are arming al-Qaeda in Syria who directed the coup in Ukraine. These people are dangerous and are doing great harm to America. The military leadership strongly objects to these courses of action because they understand where they will lead.


14 posted on 04/13/2014 5:47:43 AM PDT by Monmouth78
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To: meatloaf
It is possible - wars in Moldova, Transnistria, Georgia, Abkhazia - plus overvelming corruption in Ukraine military - and crown of it all - Maidan extremists lost control over police and army - Army dissolved, Russian and Ukrainian officers and staff that are against junta in Kiev are deserting.
So, all kinds of weapons are there. Also, number of police and special forces are deserting to the rebels in east.
15 posted on 04/13/2014 6:10:42 AM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: Monmouth78
Rebels in east Ukraine are demanding federal republic within Ukraine, freedom for local regions, legislative, judiciary and executive power for themselves. If that is not met by Kiev regime, they are to succeed.

Soros regime in Kiev is refusing to talk to the people of the East - denouncing any idea of decentralization of government and are poised to take centralist control of the whole country.

16 posted on 04/13/2014 6:18:13 AM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: meatloaf
So where did the pro-Russians get weapons? The answer to that should be obvious. BTW, RT is a direct disinformation feed from the Kremlin.

One of the first actions taken by the anti-fascist dissidents in Eastern Ukraine was the takeover of local police stations and subsequent distribution of the weapons stored there.

This information and the puppet regime's reaction to it was duly reported by (among others) the same media outlets you claim are disseminating false information.

Go figure.

17 posted on 04/13/2014 6:33:19 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck

This vid tells me all I need to know about the legitimacy of the Maidanhead putschists: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5GeBpZ5VHY


18 posted on 04/13/2014 6:46:17 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: kronos77

The deserting thing is BS. Remember when the Russians told the world the flagship of the Ukrainian navy had defected to the Russians? That was while the ship was at sea still returning from NATO exercises. When it did return, the ship docked in Odessa rather than its previous home port of Sevastopol which would have happened if the ship’s crew had defected.

The Russians flat out lied. And they’re still lying their asses off.

The blatant lie on 3/1/14:

http://rt.com/news/ukraine-navy-flaghsip-protest-389/

What actually happened on 3/5/14:

https://news.pn/en/politics/98473


19 posted on 04/13/2014 6:49:49 AM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: meatloaf

Berkut special police force splitted in half, also bare in mind that Ukraine have conscript army, cca half of their officers are Russians. Also, number of police stations and secret police buildings were taken, and rebels took AKs from there.

Also - are you there wandering where have people got AKs in country that INVENTED AKs !?!?!?!?


20 posted on 04/13/2014 6:55:34 AM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: mac_truck

For about three years I’ve been reading the posts on an expat site based in Ukraine for mostly Westerners either living in Ukraine or looking into moving there. The members live all over Ukraine including the eastern part and the Crimea. None of the reported events you have accepted as fact were seen by people or the members of their families living there.

Check the older posts out for yourself.

http://www.expatua.com/forum


21 posted on 04/13/2014 6:55:44 AM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: kronos77
An overwhelming majority in Eastern Ukraine don't want to be part of Russia.

The two dozen Putin worshippers who post incessantly here rooting on Putin's destabilization efforts in E. Ukraine against the will of the people there haven't a clue about truth, freedom and the meaning of what it is to be a free republic.

22 posted on 04/13/2014 7:02:05 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: meatloaf
None of the reported events you have accepted as fact were seen by people or the members of their families living there.

These events were recorded as they happened. There are photos, videos, interviews and on-site reporting. With that much empirical evidence available, who cares what someone else claims they didn't see?

23 posted on 04/13/2014 7:17:12 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: kronos77

Who are the good guys in the Ukrainian conflict?


24 posted on 04/13/2014 7:29:01 AM PDT by lurk
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To: Thunder90

It’s time to arm the Ukrainians so they can kill the Russian invaders. Leave Ukraine to the Ukrainians, not the Putinistas.


25 posted on 04/13/2014 7:38:36 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: mac_truck

Obviously you have no idea how pervasive the Russian disinformation program is. At best that makes you a dupe. When people who actually live in the towns and cities refute what the Western media is reporting, that’s a problem. I posted an obvious example of Russian lying with the documented example of the Ukrainian flagship’s announced defection in the Russian press which was parroted in the West.

Surprise! Surprise! The defection never occurred. It was propaganda put out to convince other Ukrainian ships to defect. That didn’t happen either.

The main message of the disinformation is that most of the Ukrainians in the East want a closer association with Russia when that is not true. Russia has shipped in busloads of so-called protestors for the choreographed demonstrations and they have an active provocateur presence to stir up trouble.

Meanwhile back at the ranch we think the Cold War ended long ago. Remember the peace dividend? That was BS too.


26 posted on 04/13/2014 7:40:37 AM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: meatloaf

Good points. The whole purpose of Putinism is to steal from the people. How do these people who buy into his propaganda think Putin got his $75 billion, playing poker?


27 posted on 04/13/2014 7:41:16 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: meatloaf

Also, how about the fact that the spetsnaz were in Crimea and Putin said they were local militias unrelated to his nation? Putin and the putinistas have been duping the gullible for a long time.


28 posted on 04/13/2014 7:43:14 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: kronos77
Croatia. That was the second war Serbia started. And Kosovo was the third war Milosevic started. I remember going through Kosovo and seeing nearly all the roofs blown off of the houses. His troops would enter the empty homes, (the Kosovars had fled, remember) turn on the gas, and then toss a grenade in to them. The roofs flew off. Probably over half the homes I saw were like that. As you recall, he lost that war, too, like the others. Then, his own people overthrew him; he was indisputably a bad leader. He was like Putin, too. He’d been a commie, then when that viciousness racket ended he needed a new gig to justify his power. Again, like Putin, he wrapped himself in ultra-nationalism and ethnic chauvinism. I imagine you remember all of that, though. He had his cheerleaders too. But in the end, his own hubris brought him down.

Hey, do you remember how the Serbs were beaten in the war they started in Slovenia?

29 posted on 04/13/2014 7:52:51 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: Sacajaweau
Had they waited until the election...which was only a few months away...maybe things would be different.

Putin wanted to get the Crimea one way or another, Putin also knew that his puppet was going to lose the election so better to kick he table over and shoot out the light.

30 posted on 04/13/2014 8:06:25 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: elhombrelibre

Yugoslavia fell apart because of greed, arrogance and sectarianism on the part of all its leaders. It was the first multiethnic federation in Europe to fall apart because no one would take responsibility for its future.

We see the same thing happening in Ukraine today. No one is taking responsibility for the fate of the country. And the regime has there has only underlined its own illegitimacy by shedding Ukrainian blood. This was not instigated from Russia. This was initiated from the hands of the Kiev authorities themselves.


31 posted on 04/13/2014 8:09:09 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: kronos77
Seems that there is popular uprising against Kiev regime.

This video shows takeover of local building by old lady Afghan Vets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdd5LX2T69U&feature=youtu.be

Potemkin protesters.

32 posted on 04/13/2014 8:12:10 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: kronos77

Ukraine, a country that got free gas from Russia for years and now whine when it’s cut off.

Ukraine, a country that reneged on two IMF agreements.

Plenty of different presidents during that time. This is a cultural issue that is about Ukraine.


33 posted on 04/13/2014 9:27:25 AM PDT by sunrise_sunset
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To: goldstategop

Yeah, and pay no attention to those spetsnaz in Ukraine, right?


34 posted on 04/13/2014 9:49:53 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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