Skip to comments.The Great Divide in America
Posted on 04/13/2014 6:17:58 AM PDT by Kaslin
People bemoan the divisions that exist in America today. On a recent trip to New York City it took a New York minute (actually seven minutes) to show the grand demarcation that has occurred and it is more like a rupture.
We were recently in New York to celebrate my wifes birthday when the encounter happened. My wife follows from afar the social scene in New York with her principle source of information being the New York Social Diary which she reads daily. The creator and editor of the Diary, David Patrick Columbia, usually lunches on Wednesday at Michaels restaurant, the East Coast version of Michael McCartys famous Santa Monica restaurant through which a significant portion of Americas great chefs have graduated. It is also the place to have lunch on Wednesday in NYC and be seen. Great food and my wifes chance to meet the man who writes the Diary -- sounds fine to me.
After my wife schmoozed McCarty who introduced her to Mr. Columbia, she returned to our table. When we walked out we passed by Columbias table which was needless to say in prime turf. While wife person was once more chatting up the King of the Diary, I cordially introduced myself to his lunch mate, Jesse Kornbluth. I had no knowledge of the man, but when we walked out seven minutes later I turned to my wife and stated there would be a column from that conversation.
Mr. Kornbluth runs a website, HeadButler.com, but is more prominently known as a contributing editor to Vanity Fair in addition to writing for publications like the Huffington Post. He is the author of a couple of books which gives him some street cred, but he dropped on me that he has written liner notes for Paul Simon albums so I figured he had some socially redeeming value.
I mentioned I was also a writer to which he asked for whom I write. Understand that Kornbluth, through his physical being, body language and attitude, had established himself as a New York Intellectual. If I told him I wrote for Slate but lived on the West Coast, he would most likely look down on me. After all most New York intellectuals think like Woody Allen about Los Angeles, I don't want to move to a city where the only cultural advantage is being able to make a right turn on a red light. When I told him I wrote for Townhall.com, he appeared to conclude he was speaking with a Neanderthal who would be a subject of study.
I would never bring up politics in this situation so when he asked me what I had recently written I kept it soft and told him about my Jewish Joy of Christmas Music column. He then launched into a conversation about music, but soon went back to politics. He asked about my choice for 2016 to which I told him I was only focused on 2014. I give him credit; he is a reporter so he burrowed in until he I finally told him my first choice would be Scott Walker, Governor of Wisconsin. If I would have told him St. Michael I am confident he would have come back with a negative analysis, but he stated Walker would be the next Governor to go down. As it turns out, the malicious legal maneuvers against him were thrown out of court two days later. Then he told me of how the despicable Paul Gigot (Editorial page editor for the Wall Street Journal) had moved in down the hall from his apartment. He stated his wife was slipping detailed statements under the door of Mr. Gigot fact checking the editorial page. I thought of asking him where Jill Abramson (New York Times editor) lived so I could do the same to her as their editorial page is regularly guilty of the sin of omission and a good bit of distortion.
I thought the matter ended when we walked out, but my wife had received an email from Kornbluth, where he said he enjoyed meeting, etc. He also went back to politics, asking her to forward information to me as he was digging in on the sins of Scott Walker. After I replied to him I was fully aware of the Walker charges he invoked the #1 point in the liberal playbook today: the creators of all evil (now that George W. Bush is in retirement) yes, you guessed it -- the Koch Brothers. When I suggested that beating up on the Kochs was a little passé and sent him another column of mine that might assuage his partisan concerns, he came back with detailed research of how the Kochs have weaved their way to control our political system. After he launched into a commentary about money in politics, I pointed out that Democrats seem to be very capable money raisers, which obviously includes our Cash-Register-in-Chief, Mr. Obama (although I did not state that to him as I stayed above any negative comments.)
After a couple more emails, Mr. Kornbluth let me know he was abandoning our dialogue and went on a long denunciation of my political beliefs which he had surmised from our short conversation and a few emails. I responded by telling him he needed me because I was quite confident he never interacts with someone like me (I am sure Gigot keeps his door locked), and it would be nice to actually experience another point of view. He went on to invoke the two issues that burn in every liberals heart global warming and abortion, despite neither being connected to our conversation.
The question thus becomes how we can breach the divide when even the smart members of the left-wing intelligentsia will not dialogue and will only stoop to ad hominem attacks on the Kochs and blaming all evils on abortion and global warming? There is little hope when you cannot have an ongoing civil conversation. Jesse, I am here and you need me.
The great divide is the American people and this regime. His peeps are cooking old shoes to make soup while his wife eats caviar and sips champagne but because he’s black they will accept this, fools they’ve been had but Good times are coming they can feel it!
After a couple more emails, Mr. Kornbluth let me know he was abandoning our dialogue and went on a long denunciation of my political beliefs which he had surmised from our short conversation and a few emails.
As politics is occasionally discussed on FB, one by one, I am unfriended by these guys. And that quote from the article is how it usually happens, only with much more vitrol.
It’s actually comical.
Reminds me of the sage advice of our elders: don’t get in a pissing match with a skunk.
Next time he should dine at Tad’s Steak House.
Is his wife a complete idiot? Reading the Social Register? Really?
It continues to amaze me when people are surprised by this emotional on from liberals. Emotionality is all liberals have. Take that away and they are silent.
And of course they’re going to reject you because of your beliefs. Dracula didn’t hang around with Van Helsing, did he?
Why would anyone spend a single dime in New York?
But many libs are dismayed at being called moral lepers. They don't like being judged for their moral failures. But Woody Allen and left coast lib Roman Polansky are moral lepers. Many libs equate cultural or artistic achievement with getting a free pass to commit whatever crimes they feel like. Sorry libs, there is such a thing as a moral universe.
Yet another example of the concept that “Conservatives think liberals have bad ideas; liberals think conservatives are bad people”.
I was unfriended by most liberals, and called a bigot in their parting shots. Others said I was mean for challenging their insulting and condescending posts, and that I was to stay off their pages. I told them that if the didn’t want spirited discussions, to keep their condescending remarks in their own amen corner. If I saw them I was going to answer them. They’ve mostly been silent on facebook in places where I could see them since the obamacare rollout.
As an amateur musician and lover of folk music, I've always wondered what it would be like to be singing folk songs to a group of folk aficianados and then launch into songs praising capitalism and right-wing heroes. I can imagine the reaction. Probably get a few Birkenstocks thrown at me.
The problem is the concept of breeching the divide.
If there is no other side, there is no divide
Think big, think out of the otherman’s box
Truth be told there are extremists on both sides, but I’d rather be extreme for liberty than for statism. If I’m going to err, I’d rather err on the side of less government and more liberty for citizens. There are limits to liberty of course, but we can worry about that if and when we ever move back from the status quo of way too much government.
“The question thus becomes how we can breach the divide when even the smart members of the left-wing intelligentsia will not dialogue”
You can’t. After the big “adjustment” they can either go to Canada or sit down and STFU.
Dialogue is impossible. Once one accepts that fact (and it is a fact) then it becomes obvious that the only choices are bloody conflict or peaceful secession. I vote for peaceful secession.
The six NE states have a total of 12 Senators. We could make that one state - New England. That would eliminate 10 Lib senators in on fell swoop.
This butler writer has no idea how class warfare would end for him does he.
Yes, the admission that a conversation in NY was the inspiration for a column now opens him up for audit by the State of NY and NYC, and to pay some taxes.
——Why would anyone spend a single dime in New York?——
His wife was worshiping at the alter of recognition. She will drop names and insert the incident in conversation for ever. It was truly a priceless religious experience for her.
There is no way to heal the divide, inasmuch as the left wants to kill you.
There is no way to heal the divide, inasmuch as the left wants to kill you.
Are you suggesting Kaslin has a split personality, needing to be killed twice?
Unfriending is big among lefties over on FB! I’ve had my share - I’m a racist, bigoted homophobe if ever they saw one.
I lost a lot in a discussion about the Confederate flag. I posted photos from the fall of the Berlin Wall showing Germans carrying the flag. Oh, did that grind them.
I'm sayin' Kaslin is so tough, you better kill him twice just to be sure.
Is that ‘him’ in the non-gender-specific sense?
Mr. Bruce Bialosky should take the tact of just discouraging and demoralizing the so-called intelligentsia. He will never “win” the debate on any issue. Yes, throwing down the facts to disassemble the Lib argument will only get you unfriended by a Lib and appreciated by a Conservative.
SO, hitting the Lib with “feelings” can actually make the idiots and their comrades stay home election day.
No, I mean ‘him’ in the male, manly, studly, XY chromosone, good dude, hardcore, sweat and testicles way. Kaslin is the mostly manly man that I know.
It is impossible for this circle to matter less to me.
One thing that I learned about sales a long time ago is that its rare to sell to someone who is adamantly opposed to what you’re selling. Any time that you spend with them is time you could have spent making a sale.
I choose not to waste my time. Once it becomes obvious that you’re dealing with a libtard, the smartest thing to do is walk away as fast as you can.
I think that a national divorce is coming whether I like it or not. And rest assured: I don’t like it one bit. Really the question is what form it will take and whether it will be relatively peaceful.
There’s no question that we can’t long share a polity with liberals. They are now quite manifestly C. S. Lewis’s “men without chests.” They believe not in the Natural Law and are therefore bound by nothing but their regnant ideological demands of the day, which is to say that they are bound in fact by nothing at all. We have nothing in common with them. Indeed, with things like “Gay Marriage” they left not only the entire Western Tradition but humanity itself. We are no longer even of the same species. We need to accept this and deal with it. Separation is the only way we can at this point even remain fully human. It has to end and we need to have our own country and they theirs.
Flying the stars and stripes is all that it takes to rile them.
Kaslin is female, just fyi
Kaslin is female?! Why do I always think that all freepers are men? Must examine my conscience...
Thanks for the info! Hope you’re eating a Twinkie for those of us raised by health food freaks!
‘tis true, ‘tis true! But a Confederate flag is definitely waving a red flag to a bull.
It’s Ding Dongs and cinnamon tea today, lol!
No she's not.
I’m gorging on cheese - high fat and delicious! Ice cream sandwiches tonight.
Yes Libtard is a chronic state of delusion. No known cure.
Actually, facts are enough to be yourself unfriended by liberals.
if you think otherwise wouldn’t you say no he’s not?
‘Rich Libtard’ is slavery for its practitioners. They must continually conform, squeeze their way tighter into the hive, never understanding freedom. They think the Constitution is only useful because it produces lawyers.
They have no soul.. and don’t even know it.
She’s a guy.