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Shocking Allegations Show Harry Reid, Chinese Company Behind Nevada Ranch Standoff
Western Journalism ^ | April 2014 | B. Christopher Agee

Posted on 04/13/2014 7:37:27 AM PDT by yoe

The ranch, which has been in Cliven Bundy’s family for more than a century, is ground zero for a growing showdown between federal authorities and individual rights activists.

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As a family in Clark County, Nev. continues to face an onslaught of heavily armed federal agents determined to kick them off of their ranch, reports have surfaced that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid might be behind the entire ordeal.

The ranch, which has been in Cliven Bundy’s family for more than a century, is ground zero for a growing showdown between federal authorities and individual rights activists. Despite attempting to silence protesters by limiting them to so-called “First Amendment areas,” law enforcement personnel, legislators, and militia members are heading to the site in droves to express their outrage over the Bureau of Land Management’s show of force.

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In an apparent effort to cover its tracks, the BLM has reportedly removed documents from its website showing that the move to kick the Bundys and their cattle off of the land was at least in part due to the fact that their presence impeded development of solar energy on the land.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: 113th; blm; bundy; bundyranch; climatechange; corruptdems; donors; energy; globalwarminghoax; greenenergy; harryreid; reid; reidcorrupt
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Why am I not surprised...the Chinese and turtles too?
1 posted on 04/13/2014 7:37:27 AM PDT by yoe
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To: yoe

Wha................. hairy reid-iculous involved in some sort of scandalous activity? No way. Maybe it was his “artistic” grand-daughter using some of her “presents” to buy some stock in a solar company thereby turning 17K into a gazillons dollars to further her art “career”.


2 posted on 04/13/2014 7:40:31 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Redneck. Race: Daytona 500)
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To: rktman

Waiting to hear this on the main stream media: three, two one.....crickets.


3 posted on 04/13/2014 7:43:01 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: yoe

Actually, I think free Americans should start using the “shocking allegations” meme just like Democrats - It is the seriousness of the charge, not the truth of it.

I don’t really care whether it is 100% true or not. I KNOW there is always deceit, personal profit, power and control behind ANYTHING any Democrat does. So in this regard, “Let’s Roll with it.”


4 posted on 04/13/2014 7:45:18 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: yoe

Would be nice for some Senator to bring this up on the floor so it gets eneterd into the Congeressional Record.


5 posted on 04/13/2014 7:45:29 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: yoe

Reid should have been removed from office years ago.

Oh, I forgot! Only corrupt DEMOCRAT politicians are rewarded for their illegal actions. The the rest go to prison.

This guy is repulsive!


6 posted on 04/13/2014 7:45:44 AM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes mandatory ... Thomas Jefferson)
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To: yoe

7 posted on 04/13/2014 7:46:06 AM PDT by McBuff
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To: yoe

After watching this closely, I noticed a glaring problem with the BLM story. If this was a Federal court action, why wasn’t the Marshal Service in command and control? The courts do not use the BLM to enforce orders. Was Bundy served by Marshals before round up began? I think this was an illegal action and was all bluff by BLM. Just sayin.


8 posted on 04/13/2014 7:52:44 AM PDT by DeWalt (Times are more like they used to be than they are today.)
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To: yoe

Why the Chinese company tried to take the land using “dirty politics” instead of paying the Bundy family probably several million dollars for the land in a legal sale really bothers me. As such, this may seriously hurt the reputation of that company and that could really hurt its efforts to build solar power plants in the USA.


9 posted on 04/13/2014 7:54:44 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: sauropod

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11 posted on 04/13/2014 8:01:44 AM PDT by sauropod (Fat Bottomed Girl: "What difference, at this point, does it make?")
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To: yoe

Surprising, but not shocking.

In fact, I would expect this.

I also expect that Mr. Eric the Black and congress will have no interest in this whatsoever.


12 posted on 04/13/2014 8:02:01 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: McBuff

Rustler gets caught; rustler gets hung from nearest tree. No burial, either.

Law of the West


13 posted on 04/13/2014 8:02:28 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: RayChuang88

Maybe the Bundy’s wouldn’t sell?

The property has been in the family for well over 100 years, them not wanting to sell it would make sense.....I mean, if that is what is going on here.


14 posted on 04/13/2014 8:03:11 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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To: DeWalt

I agree. I think this was an illegal action and was all a thieving land grab (using BS tortoises as the excuse) by BLM executed on behalf of Harry Reid and the Chicoms—your love gods.


15 posted on 04/13/2014 8:07:00 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: RayChuang88

Does this land belong to Bundy or is he just leasing it for grazing rights from Clark County?

I can’t figure out the legalities here because on one hand I hear that this land has been in the Bundy family for over 100 years and then I hear he owes the feds over 1MM for leased grazing rights but Bundy then says any money he owes is to Clark County, Nev.


16 posted on 04/13/2014 8:09:57 AM PDT by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: yoe

Well start throwing subpoenas... BLM people will squeel.


17 posted on 04/13/2014 8:10:12 AM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: yoe

The land supposedly sold to the Chinese is South West of Las Vegas, Bundy’s ranch is North East of Las Vegas. About 140 miles apart and on opposite sides of the state.

Lots of Alex Jones sources, claims stuff was removed from BLM’s website.

As much as I detest Reid, the sources on this story have been very thin. I hate when we are made to look like fools by Alex Jones “MSU”. Making __ Up.

Can anyone show me that Bundy’s grazing lease is being sought for a solar farm?

I’m aware of Reid’s protege is up for confirmation or has been confirmed BLM chief.


18 posted on 04/13/2014 8:11:01 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Psalm 73
Would be nice for some Senator to bring this up on the floor....

This is yet another reason to question if ANY of the constitutional conservatives are really on our side. This is clearly a situation where ranchers, who feed this nation, have been driven off the lands they've had access to over a century, so that only one remains. It should CLEARLY be a case where everyone who supports the people's historic rights would've been out there with him. Instead, they held back. Why has NO ONE connected the dots that the tortoise is not endangered and this is a "green" energy scheme to benefit Reid's family? There's no question. As soon as those family members were tasered and assualted, the BLM stormtroopers belonged in jail.

And what about self-determination, all over the world? Cruz and buddies are still banging the globalist wardrums, aren't they, even though it's very clear how eastern Ukraine feels. And why are none of those darn constitutional conservatives saying why can't armed agents of the US be on our border with Mexico protecting US citizens instead of assaulting us and stealing our cattle?

I might be down to only trusting Jeff Sessions. And yeah, as soon as the BLM assaulted citizens, they assaulted all of us.

19 posted on 04/13/2014 8:14:06 AM PDT by grania
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To: listenhillary
My understanding is that it wasn't directly for a solar farm, but for an environmental offset that the solar farm required. As long as the cattle were there, it couldn't be used as an environmental offset.

/johnny

20 posted on 04/13/2014 8:15:45 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Walkingfeather

We need a congressional hearing. What committee has oversight over the bureau of land management?


21 posted on 04/13/2014 8:17:22 AM PDT by Piranha (Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have - Saul Alinsky)
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To: chris37; Mouton
I also expect that Mr. Eric the Black and congress will have no interest in this whatsoever

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Would imagine the 'biggest' problem - AGAIN - is they are 'afraid' of each other inasmuch that if ONE rats another out, he stands to get ratted out himself. The ONLY real 'bold' ones are those that have absolutely NOTHING to hide and it wouldn't surprise me that during the '1st term indoctrination' that 'secrets' are bled out of the 'newbies' and used against them at a later date.

As Mouton (#3) opines...LAST night (SAT 11PM) local NBC outlet mentioned DEEP IN THE BROADCAST (Just before weather) the 'Nevada' situation for the first time. Just mentioning BLM is 'pulling out for Safety' concerns, nothing about the 'siege' and the arrival of (Govt) 'Unfriendlies'. Believe they referred to it as a 'grazing rights dispute' but did NOT go into details.

I wonder what the reaction would have been say if ANY 'R', especially what they conceive to be a CONSERVATIVE R, had been named in this in the same respect as Reid is/was?

(That is a VERY Rhetorical question(/b>)

22 posted on 04/13/2014 8:17:43 AM PDT by xrmusn ((6/98 --"I would agree with you BUT that would make both of us wrong".))
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To: Gaffer

When I first saw this ‘allegation’ I actually hoped it wasn’t true. Would serve them right to have to defend themselves against utterly horrible untruths. Lol. Like you, I don’t really care if it’s true or not. This is the way to treat all Democrats, just like they do Republicans.


23 posted on 04/13/2014 8:18:32 AM PDT by sheana
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To: xrmusn

I’m quite certain that coverage of such would resemble if not exceed CNN’s coverage of a certain missing plane...


24 posted on 04/13/2014 8:19:40 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Mouton

Three weeks before Election Day, Senate Majority leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., center, arrives for the dedication of a wind farm in Henderson, Nev., on Oct. 12, 2010. With him are, second from left, Kai Huang, deputy mayor of Shenyang, China; Jinxiang Lu, second from right, chairman and CEO of A-Power Energy Generation Systems, a Chinese company, and Tom Conway, right, international vice president of the United Steelworkers union. Reid’s support, and the plan to create jobs in Nevada, helped blunt congressional criticism that stimulus money was going to the Chinese company. (MSNBC)

25 posted on 04/13/2014 8:22:22 AM PDT by yoe (OBL changed the rules without Congressional input making Obamacare Null&Void...EO's arent law.)
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To: WKUHilltopper

Marshal would be clearly identified and would have been in control. Not BLM. So this begs to question, who ordered this? It wasn’t a Federal Judge. The courts would only give it to the Marshals! I smell a rat and would the MEDIA wake up and do its job. Let’s. See the court order. MARSHALS?


26 posted on 04/13/2014 8:22:57 AM PDT by DeWalt (Times are more like they used to be than they are today.)
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To: xrmusn

One reaction that was clearly on display was the “news” citing their were many militia members coming to the aid of Bundy. I guess they were hoping for gun fire so they could begin another round of anti gun talk, anti tea party rhetoric all the while omiting what little Harry’s corruption had to do with all this.

And the GOP is going to Las Vegas for its convention! Why not hold it at the Whitehouse if they are going to go there where Reid is the senior senator and senior crook.


27 posted on 04/13/2014 8:23:40 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: Mouton
"Waiting to hear this on the main stream media: three, two one.....crickets."

I turned on Fox this morning and waited to hear Reid's name. Never happened.

28 posted on 04/13/2014 8:25:23 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: JRandomFreeper

That is helpful. Getting a straight story has been maddening.


29 posted on 04/13/2014 8:26:43 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: listenhillary
The land supposedly sold to the Chinese is South West of Las Vegas, Bundy’s ranch is North East of Las Vegas. About 140 miles apart and on opposite sides of the state.

I'll try to help you connect the dots. The land to be used for the solar farm is also inhabited by the desert tortoise. These solar farm, unlike grazing, do threaten the tortoise. Therefore, any development must include a mitigation plan before it can proceed.

As documented here on Free Republic, the BLM mitigation plan specifically cited Bundy's allotment as one of the areas for "special management" so that the solar farm can be built. This is a bit of insurance to see to it that Bundy can never prevail, and it directly benefits Harry Reid.

The larger issue is the organized effort by the BLM and other federal agencies to force ranchers off public lands. They believe that the land should not be used for economic activity (the original intent) and have worked with a vengeance to run these people off. Places like Las Vegas and crooks like Harry Reid support this because they want the water rights, a very limited commodity in the West.

For an historical parallel read about the depopulation of the Scottish Highlands in the 19th Century. Tyranny knows no borders.

30 posted on 04/13/2014 8:28:39 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: listenhillary
I have been wondering about the legalities of leasing Federal land for cattle grazing. One does not adversely possess against a government. There were claims that when Nevada entered the Union the citizens agreed that most of the States land would belong to the Federal government.

However, the Feds were seizing Bundy's cattle without apparent authority. Bundy claims and the State government admit he has paid the state the proper amounts.

Whatever the legalities, remember the Boston Tea Party was illegal, the Bundy's and those that actually stood with them stood for our liberty. God Bless them all!

31 posted on 04/13/2014 8:28:53 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
Maybe the Bundy’s wouldn’t sell?

The property has been in the family for well over 100 years, them not wanting to sell it would make sense....

There's a missing ingredient here. If the offered price was 1/10 the appraised price, it's a straight out greed-based power trip. The PTB (powers that be) could probably have used eminent domain if they were willing to come up with a market appraised price of $40 million. I read elsewhere that the Bundy's refused some low-ball offers. There's also the family ranch thing, as you pointed out.

32 posted on 04/13/2014 8:30:12 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: NTHockey
rustler gets hung from nearest tree.

Tree?

I saw some interstate overpasses.

33 posted on 04/13/2014 8:30:15 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: Gaffer

Don’t forget “controversial” and “so-called” too.


34 posted on 04/13/2014 8:32:27 AM PDT by Betty Jane
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To: yoe

Me thinks it may time for some Koch brothers payback.


35 posted on 04/13/2014 8:32:33 AM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: yoe

With the MSM covering up for them, the Democrats are operating their corrupt kickback schemes completely out in the open.


36 posted on 04/13/2014 8:33:19 AM PDT by Spok ("What're you going to believe-me or your own eyes?" -Marx (Groucho))
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To: Starstruck

THAT WOULD BE SOOOOOOOOO SWEET!!!!!


37 posted on 04/13/2014 8:35:00 AM PDT by Kit cat (OBummer must go)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

No Federal Marshals, No court order!


38 posted on 04/13/2014 8:35:39 AM PDT by DeWalt (Times are more like they used to be than they are today.)
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To: yoe; All

For days, we’ve heard the term ‘Chinese company.’

Does this Chinese company have a name?

Why is everybody dancing around the name, avoiding it.

Is the name of the company ‘Valdemort’ or something?

Will we summon evil by invoking the name aloud?

Somebody please tell us the NAME of this Chinese ‘solar company’ so we can boycott or at least avoid it while cursing its name.


39 posted on 04/13/2014 8:35:54 AM PDT by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: DeWalt

With regard to the cattle?


40 posted on 04/13/2014 8:37:18 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Mouton

And the GOP is going to Las Vegas for its convention
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That is really amazing, but not really so surprising.

“they” have absolutely NO RESPECT for ‘us’ and everything they do is (seemingly) more ‘in your face’ than the previous idiotic gesture.

As to the ‘news’ no mention was made of the ‘help’, I don’t think they mentioned the cattle angle (rustling) either.
-At least I didn’t hear it and I was (sort of) paying attention.

The station I was referencing is WRC4 (NBC) Washington DC


41 posted on 04/13/2014 8:37:30 AM PDT by xrmusn ((6/98 --"I would agree with you BUT that would make both of us wrong".))
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

Yes. Federal action, Federal Land, Federal Court order, asset forfeiture. Only Marshals. The court does not hire this out. It was a bluff.


43 posted on 04/13/2014 8:40:45 AM PDT by DeWalt (Times are more like they used to be than they are today.)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
There were claims that when Nevada entered the Union the citizens agreed that most of the States land would belong to the Federal government.

All land excepting the original 13 states belonged to the United States as that land was acquired. In general, the United States recognized existing private land grants and registrations in places like Louisiana, California, etc. The disposition of land was generally spelled out in the terms of admission to the Union. Texas, which entered as a sovereign nation, agreed to cede to the federal government land in what is now New Mexico, Colorado, and Kansas but kept the rest, within the current boundaries of the state.

This was not done in other states, so unallocated land is owned by the federal government. The government was initially happy to sell it, but there weren't many buyers and people freely ranged their cattle on it (the open range). Now, the government wants all people off the land, except of course, certain privileged elite, who bribe the right politician. Ranchers, in particular, are no longer welcome.

44 posted on 04/13/2014 8:44:27 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: Mouton
"Waiting to hear this on the main stream media"

The media doesn't have anything to do with it, it is the judge.

Solar farms, oil wells, communication towers, etc are irrelevant because these are multiple use lands. There are no set-asides and this was argued out in the 19th century by John Muir versus Gilbert Pinchot Also grazing leases are not granted in perpetuity.

Grazing rights are for only grazing rights, nothing else. And occasionally disputes arise over recreational rights.

So the grazing rights holder that builds/operates a Dude Ranch on the lease will likely be in big trouble. OTOH, it is near impossible to stop a grazing rights holder from charging someone a fee to hunt on the lease. OTOH, the lease holder who tries to limit access to the multiple use lands by hunters will likely end up in court. And sometimes the disputes arise merely for traveling over the lease.

45 posted on 04/13/2014 8:49:40 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: centurion316

You have stated what in my mind is the case.

Apparently the law suits in the past did not properly address the issue of Nevada ownership of the land. My gut feeling is that Nevada will not claim the land and thus not vindicate Mr Bundy.

We will see.

Apparently the claims to Feds by the different states will not be the same. I thought BLM was tasked with managing all western properties not sold or rather not bought by citizens.

A case in point and strong precedent is in adjacent Utah where bubba Clinton declared Federal land under BLM control off limits for development and in effect a new very large National Park called The Grand Staircase Escalante. Unlike all other such national parks/monuments, the Grand Staircase is under management of the BLM, not the National Park Service.

The maneuver effectively removed very large coal reserves from production.


46 posted on 04/13/2014 8:56:33 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: bert

This post marks a mile stone......

It marks the 25,000 word milestone since beginning to save noteworthy bert posts in 2010


47 posted on 04/13/2014 8:59:12 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: yoe

The message here should be to vote out Demoncrap Senators to flip control of the Senate and remove Hairy Reed’s power!


48 posted on 04/13/2014 9:07:58 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: xrmusn
"And the GOP is going to Las Vegas for its convention"

Las Vegas? Where there's gambling, alcohol in abundance and prostitution? I'm shocked!

49 posted on 04/13/2014 9:11:04 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: bert

Federal policy and behavior regarding public lands has shifted dramatically in the past 20 years. The Democrats have embraced the environmental lobby and are doing their bidding. The Republicans aren’t much of an obstacle as they don’t want to upset their suburban base who embrace all of the “saving the planet” propaganda.

Much of this is in direct violation of federal law and existing regulation. The left uses the differences that govern each state’s public lands and unrelated laws and regulations to impose their will.

They don’t want ranching, mining, foresting, or energy extraction on lands that belong to us. The only exception to this are the so called “green energy” scams. If you want to jump onto a get rich quick scheme, that’s the place to look.


50 posted on 04/13/2014 9:11:19 AM PDT by centurion316
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