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Changing N.H. demographics may help Scott Brown
The Boston Globe ^ | April 13, 2014 | Michael Levinson

Posted on 04/13/2014 8:53:52 AM PDT by amnestynone

DERRY, N.H. — Democrats have called Scott Brown a carpetbagger and suggested the former Massachusetts senator is going to stick out in New Hampshire like a flamingo in the White Mountains. But the unusual demographics of this state might blunt that attack and help Brown resurrect his political fortunes on fresh territory.

Contrary to the popular stereotype of the New Hampshire voter as a flinty, 10th-generation farmer who traces his roots to a soldier in the Continental Army, about two-thirds of New Hampshire adults were born in another state — and a quarter of them were born in Massachusetts.

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Even in an era of mobility, New Hampshire stands out for its abundance of transplants: Only six states have a smaller proportion of native-born residents, according to Kenneth M. Johnson, the senior demographer at the Carsey Institute at the University of New Hampshire.

This influx of residents is one reason Republicans feel hopeful about Brown’s ability to shake off the interloper label.

Over the last five decades, New Hampshire, once a bastion of old-line Yankee Republicans, has turned more Democratic. But the politically potent southern part of the state has become more conservative as it has filled with residents fleeing Massachusetts in search of less expensive housing, lower taxes, and a more libertarian ethos.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New Hampshire
KEYWORDS: 2014midterms; brown; brown2014; newhampshire; nh2014
I would love to hear from Hampshiremen amnd women) on tis article. It goes against what I heard about the "Massholes" turning the state blue. Does anyone out there know what happened to the old New Hampshirites who apparently are being displaced? There does not seem to be any real growth so they must be going some where.
1 posted on 04/13/2014 8:53:52 AM PDT by amnestynone
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To: amnestynone

Carpetbagger doesn’t mean the same in Yankee land as it does down South. Just look at New York and Hitlery.


2 posted on 04/13/2014 8:57:27 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: amnestynone

“with residents fleeing Massachusetts...” That has happened when they relocate to places in the south yet some of the dopes forget to leave their politics behind. Seems they truly think “Democrats are for the little guy, the average worker” as one person recently said to me.


3 posted on 04/13/2014 8:57:40 AM PDT by ConservativeStatement ("World Peace 1.20.09.")
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To: amnestynone

Its his revenge on Elizabeth Warren. He stands a good chance of winning because New Hampshire’s demographics differ from those in Massachusetts. And his opposition to Obamacare plays well with New Hampshirites.


4 posted on 04/13/2014 8:58:18 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: fella

Look at Bobby Kennedy and New York!


5 posted on 04/13/2014 9:02:25 AM PDT by Mach9
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To: fella

“Just look at New York and Hitlery”

Just what I was thinking.


6 posted on 04/13/2014 9:06:30 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: amnestynone
I live in one of the two southern New Hampshire counties mentioned in this article.

My town is Republican by a margin of more than two to one, and it is not unusual for the region. Most people who came here from Massachusetts (including me, 17 years ago) consider ourselves political and tax refugees, not proselytizers for the Liberal faith.

We are largely conservative and libertarian in outlook, and have struggled to maintain New Hampshire as the last firewall in the increasingly "blue" Northeast.

The Progressives who have come here more frequently decamped from states like New York, New Jersey, Maryland, and California - wealthy liberals who liked their vacation homes and decided to stay, bringing their political views with them.

Our present left-wing Senator Jeanne Shaheen is not from NH, but from Missouri. Nearly all of her campaign money comes from out of state. And yet, I don't recall people calling her a "carpetbagger"...

For his part, at least Scott Brown was born in New Hampshire. He's considerably more liberal than I would like on some issues, and that troubles me, except that Shaheen is so much worse and a GOP victory would move Republicans that much closer to recapturing the Senate, and kicking Harry Reid out.

7 posted on 04/13/2014 9:07:30 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (Cogito, ergo armatum sum.)
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To: amnestynone

A few years ago, a coworker told me that people who live in southern NH commute into Mass. for work.

They live in NH because of the high taxes in Mass.

Probably Liberals who are champions of higher taxes and at the same avoid taxes by moving outside of the high tax area that they created. Your usual Liberal hypocrite.

They flee the state that they destroyed and bring their same beliefs to the new state and the new state eventually the new state is no better, It happened that way here in Colorado.


8 posted on 04/13/2014 9:07:38 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: amnestynone

There was a study once that debunked the theory that Massachusetts transplants were turning the state blue.

What they found out is that most new residents via Mass were voting Republican. (NH is still more Republican than Democrat.)

What they claimeded is that the University System has exploded over the years - bringing in loads of liberal voting professors, administrators and students.


9 posted on 04/13/2014 9:10:10 AM PDT by nhwingut (This tagline is for lease)
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To: amnestynone

Scott Brown Born in NH.

Jeanne Shaheen Born in Missouri.

Case closed. LOL!


10 posted on 04/13/2014 9:11:20 AM PDT by nhwingut (This tagline is for lease)
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To: andy58-in-nh

Correct. NH conservatives can elect someone who will vote with them 80 percent of the time, or they re-elect someone who votes with them zero percent of the time- and will keep Reid as majority leader to boot.

Easy decision from my perspective.


11 posted on 04/13/2014 9:19:16 AM PDT by mwl8787
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To: amnestynone

I have relatives in NH. Those Massplants are actually referred to as Massholes.


12 posted on 04/13/2014 10:15:23 AM PDT by UB355 (Slower traffic keep rigsupreme Splasht)
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To: andy58-in-nh

I am also a political refugee from the People’s Republic of Massachusetts (Class of 86).

I think you appraisal is accurate. Scott Brow definitely falls under the category of the lesser of two evils. I will not vote for him in the Republican primary, I’ll vote for a conservative instead (what happened to Ovide Lamontagne?). But if he is the Republican nominee, I’d vote for him in a heart-beat over Jean (the spending-machine) Shaheen.


13 posted on 04/13/2014 10:18:01 AM PDT by PTBAA
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To: dhs12345

“A few years ago, a coworker told me that people who live in southern NH commute into Mass. for work.”

My nephew does the reverse-—LOL.

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14 posted on 04/13/2014 10:23:57 AM PDT by Mears
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To: amnestynone

It must have moved left if they nominated Scott Brown


15 posted on 04/13/2014 10:27:03 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: dhs12345

FYI, as someone who has lived in NH for many years while working in MA. NH residents working in MA pay MA income taxes while paying the high property taxes of NH (which has no income tax). My situation was the worst of both worlds from a tax standpoint (although I saved a bunch on car insurance), but I thought it was worth of from a quality of life perspective (great place to raise kids).

NH has unfortunately shifted to the left since I moved here in ‘86, but I am sincerely hoping the the pendulum is swinging back. I’d like to live once again on conservative high-ground that will, I’m afraid, always be surrounded by the miasma of the other socialist states in the NE.


16 posted on 04/13/2014 10:30:29 AM PDT by PTBAA
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To: amnestynone
Does anyone out there know what happened to the old New Hampshirites who apparently are being displaced?

They moved. They are being replaced rapidly by M*ssholes (spit!) and New Yorkers (double spit)...a foul-mouthed breed of filth. (Don't be 'thin-skinned'...there are exceptions to most broad-brushed statements.)

Some of the M*ss imports are conservatives fleeing communism (accounting for the red counties in NH just over the border from Assachusetts), but the NY'ers are far worse than most of the Mass refugees.

John Sununu (Junior?) stated recently that more people are fleeing Red Hampshire than moving in for the first time in forty years. My deadline for getting the hell out of this state is the end of October. "Give me liberty", and all that.

Then there are the 'Free Staters'...

17 posted on 04/13/2014 10:33:52 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: nhwingut

You are wrong...scott brown -D was born in kittry maine...

Sheehan is a communist...brown is a gun grabbing democrats carpet bagger


18 posted on 04/13/2014 10:36:37 AM PDT by Article10 (Roger That)
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To: PTBAA
what happened to Ovide Lamontagne?

Taken out by a whisker in the GOP Senate primary by Kelly Ayotte...Lamontagne had the endorsement of Jim DeMint; Ayotte was the fave of one Sarah Palin. We all make mistakes, don't we, Sarah?

19 posted on 04/13/2014 10:37:58 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: who knows what evil?

Yep...Connecticut scum too..worse than new Yorkers


20 posted on 04/13/2014 10:39:07 AM PDT by Article10 (Roger That)
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To: Article10

Pit bulls ran amuck in the neighborhood I just vacated...owners were thugs from (you guessed it) Connecticut.


21 posted on 04/13/2014 10:40:24 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Article10
You are wrong...scott brown -D was born in kittry maine...

That's what happens when you get your info from the Union-'Leader' or Channel 9... :-)

22 posted on 04/13/2014 10:42:05 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: mwl8787

What in scott browns records are good for us in NH?

Look up global digital solutions inc... gun bracelet for you...thanks to carpet bagger brown. ..no thank you

Brown luvs fags and abortions. ..

Is that you karl Rove? Are you channelling mike Bloomberg ?


23 posted on 04/13/2014 10:43:20 AM PDT by Article10 (Roger That)
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To: amnestynone
Only six states have a smaller proportion of native-born residents, according to Kenneth M. Johnson, the senior demographer at the Carsey Institute at the University of New Hampshire.

Any idea what those other states might be? I'd say Florida and Vermont are two of them...

24 posted on 04/13/2014 10:43:43 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: who knows what evil?

Yep.. sarah goofed...ovide got tired of the gop -e knives in his back side as well


25 posted on 04/13/2014 10:46:21 AM PDT by Article10 (Roger That)
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To: who knows what evil?

Facts are difficult things for rino loving jack weeds...


26 posted on 04/13/2014 10:48:19 AM PDT by Article10 (Roger That)
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To: goldstategop

I dis agree. .. he will loose...

He is a media and gop-e candidate. ..thAt is not necessarily a winning combo in NH today


27 posted on 04/13/2014 10:50:29 AM PDT by Article10 (Roger That)
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To: who knows what evil?

Not surprised. ..sad


28 posted on 04/13/2014 10:52:23 AM PDT by Article10 (Roger That)
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To: andy58-in-nh
As an ex masshole, a well deserved term, Masshole that is, I was exiled to Mass from Idaho and hated the place from day one.

I retired here to be near the kids and take advantage some inheritance tax advantages.

My GGGReat Grandmothers family were from NH could my cousins in Utah run here.

Scott Brown betrayed many of the people who supported him when he ran the first time as a conservative and stayed home after he turned out be a limp dick Republican.

29 posted on 04/13/2014 11:15:57 AM PDT by Little Bill (EVICT Queen Jean)
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To: andy58-in-nh
As an ex masshole, a well deserved term, Masshole that is, I was exiled to Mass from Idaho and hated the place from day one.

I retired here to be near the kids and take advantage some inheritance tax advantages.

My GGGReat Grandmothers family were from NH could my cousins in Utah run here.

Scott Brown betrayed many of the people who supported him when he ran the first time as a conservative and stayed home after he turned out be a limp dick Republican.

30 posted on 04/13/2014 11:16:59 AM PDT by Little Bill (EVICT Queen Jean)
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To: nhwingut

Scott Brown was born in Maine.


31 posted on 04/13/2014 11:50:52 AM PDT by Andy'smom
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To: amnestynone
“Does anyone out there know what happened to the old New Hampshirites who apparently are being displaced? There does not seem to be any real growth so they must be going some where.”

Well, I have been living in NH since 1983 (escaped NJ and went to collage here and never left).
In my opinion (for what it's worth) and based on what I see, the old time NH Yankees are dying off or sell out and go down south.

The kids who grow up here tend to leave after collage for the big cities.

The people who move here, namely the “Mass-holes” as some would call them, are escaping Mass due to taxes (if they live and work in NH) and/or gov’t regulations. They tend to be conservative and live mainly in the southern part of the state and commute to Mass for work.

One of the main reasons the state has turned “Blue” in recent elections is due to the “Same Day Registration” laws for voting with virtually no checking if the information is correct.

The stories of bus loads of young people roving from town to town during election day is not a fairy tale as some might have you believe. Many people I know (and one of them is a NH State Senator) have seen this first hand. Mainly in the cities (Portsmouth on the coast, and Manchester and Concord inland).

The town of Durham which hosts UNH unleashes the collage kids to vote all over the place.

I'm not sure how Brown will play here. Many people see him as a sell out of those who put him in office down in Mass. At least that is from my experience with people I meet.

I can tell you on thing, Brown's support of the AWB went over like a Lead Balloon with many people. We like our firearms and 2nd Amendment freedoms up here.

32 posted on 04/13/2014 12:33:23 PM PDT by CapnJack
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To: amnestynone
Scott Brown's campaign web page says he was born in New Hampshire, the Portsmouth Naval Shipyard. (Which means that Wikipedia is incorrect, as it so often is.)

"Scott Brown was born September 12, 1959 at the Portsmouth Naval Shipyard."

http://scottbrown.com/browns/

33 posted on 04/13/2014 1:28:27 PM PDT by Siegfried X
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Sorry bubba...Portsmouth naval shipyard is in kittery maine.....has been for over 100 years...

Was a tax revolt brewing in early 2000 about maine taxing nh residentsand what state owned the ship yard...

Scot brown is a liar...as expected.


34 posted on 04/13/2014 3:27:48 PM PDT by Article10 (Roger That)
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To: Siegfried X

Kittery maine is not in new Hampshire

Lets have ole Scotty cough up a birth certifcate....


35 posted on 04/13/2014 3:31:06 PM PDT by Article10 (Roger That)
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To: Siegfried X
The US Navy says that Portsmouth is in NH:

http://www.navsea.navy.mil/shipyards/portsmouth/default.aspx

Portsmouth Naval Shipyard Portsmouth, NH 03804-5000

36 posted on 04/13/2014 4:03:15 PM PDT by Siegfried X
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To: amnestynone

Scott Brown actually makes the race competitive at this point. NH has 3 other folks running in the GOP Karen Testerman, Jim Reubens, and Bob Smith. Karen’s a real nice lady but can’t get anything jumpstarted. Jim ‘s a moderate and into global warming. Bob Smith was a senator got sour grapes when he didn’t get nominated for President and changed to an Independent. He got primary out in the following election cycle and moved to Florida. Needless to say Jean Shaheen had nothing to worry about. Brown’s entry actually makes her pretty nervous. The NH GOP is run on a shoe string budget(party chair is a volunteer spot) and the grassroots isn’t known for having deep pockets. Brown can at least raise money. He’s certainly not perfect(not great on 2nd amendment) but his voting record would be certainly better than shaheen who votes democrat 99% of the time. NH is a really odd state of moderates, conservatives and libertarians. Reuben has the backing of some of the libertarians groups even though he supported a carbon tax. Politics makes strange bedfellows sometimes. Bob Smith is really a mystery on why he is running.. He blew it years ago.


37 posted on 04/13/2014 4:20:44 PM PDT by NHMilfordguy
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To: Siegfried X

Yes, but he wasn’t born at the shipyard. Just over the bridge is Kittery, Me.


38 posted on 04/13/2014 5:01:28 PM PDT by Andy'smom
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To: Siegfried X

Well tell the State of Maine to stop taxing every one that works there...

Seriously, the base had a hospital for years... good chance Brown was born there and not in Portsmouth...

The admin post address is Portsmouth Nh due to the fact the kittery me post office is really small...


39 posted on 04/13/2014 5:47:40 PM PDT by Article10 (Roger That)
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To: Siegfried X

when Brown was born, there were 3 hospitals in the area: Pease AFB, Newington, NH. or Portsmouth, NH the base was in two towns on the map, Portsmouth City Hospital and the Portsmouth Naval Base Hospital, Kittery Maine..

All sort of Portsmouth, NH but the details matter. I don’t care what is dads orders were either... was he born in the Portsmouth Hospital or at the Portsmouth Naval base Hospital?


40 posted on 04/13/2014 5:53:17 PM PDT by Article10 (Roger That)
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To: Mears

It might have changed. It was 12 years ago.

There are or were a number of high tech areas just over the border. My company was in Nashua.


41 posted on 04/14/2014 7:23:06 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: amnestynone
But the politically potent southern part of the state has become more conservative as it has filled with residents fleeing Massachusetts in search of less expensive housing, lower taxes, and a more libertarian ethos.

Let's hope Scott fights harder against Jean Shaheen than he did against Fauxcahontas.

42 posted on 04/14/2014 5:45:58 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: goldstategop

Scott blew the last election. Warren was a laughingstock, so Scott became a milquetoast. He was so sappy, he gave rinos a bad name. If he had been feisty and come out swingin’, I think he might have won. Warren was an even more ridiculous character than Coakley.


43 posted on 04/15/2014 6:00:44 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (This is known as "bad luck". - Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: who knows what evil?

I was hoping Ovide would run again for the senate against Shaheen. I’d take him in a heartbeat over Scott (can’t we all just get along) Brown.


44 posted on 04/16/2014 8:43:42 AM PDT by PTBAA
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To: PTBAA

Ditto.


45 posted on 04/16/2014 9:10:14 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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