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Permission to Profile ^ | April 13, 2014 | Mark Nuckols

Posted on 04/13/2014 9:40:59 AM PDT by Kaslin

In a rare triumph for common sense in Washington, it is being reported that the Justice Department intends to allow “tactical leeway” to the FBI to use ethnic profiling. This is welcome news for the security of our country.

Profiling and stereotyping are a fact of life. Liberals vehemently argue that our law enforcement agencies should be prohibited from employing any form of profiling, arguing that you can’t tell anything significant about a potential terrorist just based on their religion, ethnicity or nationality. As is often the case, liberals manage to deny reality and embrace hypocrisy in one fell swoop.

Liberals quite liberally use profiling and stereotyping for their own purposes, but they would never admit it. But I experienced profiling daily when I was a student at Georgetown University Law Center. Georgetown is an elite school that prides itself on “diversity,” but I didn’t see many students there like myself. I come from a small village in rural southside Virginia, never finished high school and only have a distance learning college undergraduate degree.

The fact that I am broadly read, self- educated, write well, and outperformed most of my classmates on exams meant little to my more privileged classmates and professors with tony social pedigrees. To them I was still just an ignorant redneck, and my expression of conservative views was usually dismissed with a sneer and putdowns along the lines of “well, you’re just a dumb hick, so shut up.”

Well, it’s true that many stereotypes have some basis in fact. It’s true that most people from my hometown haven’t read Proust (a boring French guy who is nonetheless the platinum standard if you want to display sophistication). And they shamefully don’t know the difference between Pouilly-Fume and Pouilly-Fuisse. But they’re generally decent law abiding and patriotic Americans, which in elite educational institutions makes them de facto “bad” people.

My own philosophy is that stereotypes have some limited value, if used properly, and are one of the ways we make sense of a complicated world. I do assume someone with a diploma from Harvard is smarter than someone without a high school degree, as my classmates did. But I also use his stereotype as nothing more than a starting point, and sometimes people confound my initial impressions based on stereotyping. Unfortunately, at Georgetown, there is a presumption that if you’re from small-town middle America, you’re a hick and nothing will change that judgment.

Now, nobody argues that all young Muslim men are terrorists. But in the last decade and a half, most terrorist acts committed against America (and Europe) have been committed by young Muslim men. They weren’t committed by African-Americans, or Mormons, or Koreans. The 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, the suicide bombing of the U.S.S. Cole in 2000, the 9-11 attacks of 2001, and the London bombings of 2006, among many other worldwide terrorist actions, were not undertaken by white, Protestant grannies.

If we want to protect our country from determined terrorists who want to destroy America, we need to be on constant guard. Now, for liberals, the suggestion that the threat is more likely than not to come from someone who fits a certain profile is proof that you don’t understand “the Other.”

Well, right now, dedicated young male Islamicist fanatics who come from or receive training in Pakistan or Somalia are in fact a grave threat to the United States. From a pure statistical point of view, some of our surveillance should and must be devoted to people who fit this profile. It is not an infringement of anyone’s civil liberties, and as all Americans even suspected terrorists enjoy a presumption of innocence in a court of law.

My concern is that if a terrorist attack of sufficient scale ever does succeed, not just our safety and security will be at risk, but also the precious liberties we enjoy. I would much prefer limited, and judicious, profiling to prevent another terrorist attack on American soil to denying reality and pretending that we don’t have some notion as to the profile of likely terrorists.

And for those offended by the commonsense notion of profiling, I would suggest that instead of seeking to undermine American security, they begin to ask themselves, why is it that persons of a specific profile seem to be involved repeatedly in attempts to murder and maim innocent people? In the meantime, we should be glad that the Obama administration at least occasionally can recognize reality, and in this instance is willing to give the FBI the “tactical leeway” it needs to combat the scourge of terrorism.

TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: fbi; profiling; stereotypes

1 posted on 04/13/2014 9:40:59 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

By ‘ethnic profiling’ they mean red blooded white Americans who believe in God, freedom, and a free USA. That kind of profiling.

2 posted on 04/13/2014 9:45:48 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: Kaslin

Stereotypes exist for a reason. Profile away. I can’t help but wonder, though, how this will be used against patriotic, productive, gun-owning, White Americans.

3 posted on 04/13/2014 9:47:26 AM PDT by ronnyquest (I spent 20 years in the Army fighting the enemies of liberty only to see marxism elected at home.)
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To: Gaffer

Yup, exactly

4 posted on 04/13/2014 9:47:52 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

“.. have been committed by young Muslim men. They weren’t committed by African-Americans,...”

Bzzzt..Those two are often one and the same.

5 posted on 04/13/2014 9:49:15 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: ronnyquest

What about patriotic, productive black Americans?

6 posted on 04/13/2014 9:49:45 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin
Will they allow Sheriff Joe while enforcing AZ SB1070 to use profling in peace now?
7 posted on 04/13/2014 9:54:23 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Kaslin

Can I now assume that a pack of black yoots in hoodies aren’t coming to sell me Girl Scout cookies?

8 posted on 04/13/2014 9:56:45 AM PDT by Argus
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To: Kaslin; All

the next time you encounter a liberal who claims to be against racial profiling respond by saying “then I assume you are dead set against affirmative action- which is nothing more than racial profiling of white people”....

9 posted on 04/13/2014 9:57:46 AM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: Kaslin

After Nevada , does this mean I’ll have to stop wearing my cowboy boots and hat ?

10 posted on 04/13/2014 9:57:48 AM PDT by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: Kaslin

If Bush were in office this would be page one above the fold for a month. Racist!

11 posted on 04/13/2014 10:02:32 AM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can STILL go straight to hell.)
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To: Kaslin
"What about patriotic, productive black Americans?"

What about them? Are you really trying to bait me? Don't.

It is no secret that this administration has put cross-hairs on conservative, gun-owning, White Americans. It is no secret that this administration believes that White Americans somehow owe something to every other ethnic group out there. It is no secret that this administration seeks to administer "social justice" by extracting the maximum amount of pain and property from White Americans to pay "reparations" for things in which most alive today had no part and to "equalize" the distribution of wealth held by Americans.

So, again, I have to wonder how this new tactic might be used by feds to do just that.

12 posted on 04/13/2014 10:02:42 AM PDT by ronnyquest (I spent 20 years in the Army fighting the enemies of liberty only to see marxism elected at home.)
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To: God luvs America

—“then I assume you are dead set against affirmative action- which is nothing more than racial profiling of white people”....

EXACTLY! I’ve invoked this same argument many times already. It’s fun to see the stupefied look on the faces of the libtards.

Affirmative Action is STATE-SANCTIONED racism and racial profiling.

In fact, all other anti-white drivel you hear on MSNBC et. al. is Racial Profiling too.

13 posted on 04/13/2014 10:18:38 AM PDT by AlanGreenSpam (Obama: The First 'American IDOL' President - sponsored by Chicago NeoCom Thugs)
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To: Kaslin; bert
We make discriminations every day based on our observations. We discriminate against short people when we are assembling an NBA basketball team; we discriminate against men (for the most part) when we are casting a prima ballerina.

These discriminations in these contexts are not considered invidious or at least they are justified by the greater good they are said to accomplish. I wrote the following reply in an effort to stimulate thinking about when and why discrimination is wrong and how it relates to liberty. The piece was done in 2010 and when one reads it one will see how fast our perception of invidious discrimination changes which is another way of saying how fast the culture changes.

The right to discriminate?-it buggers me!

Some time ago in response to the move in the state of New Jersey to regulate conduct toward homosexuals I wrote the following rambling piece which tries to think about the interplay between liberty and social policy. When should one trump the other? After a while, I get around to talking about it in the context of race.

Here is the piece:

This should be viewed not as a matter involving the right to discriminate against homosexuals but as an example of the police power of the state being invoked to extort sanctioned behavior and money from the politically incorrect. If you are politically correct, such as the African-American race represented by somebody like Jesse Jackson, you can extort money and desired behavior out of businesses by threatening to enlist the civil and criminal power of the state on your side.

If you are the Southern Poverty Law Center you can bankrupt the politically incorrect (Ku Klux Klan) through the vehicle of a class action RICO suit.

This matter is much more dangerous because it involves agents of the state, the Attorney General of New Jersey, directly in a blatant extortion. Why should the law have an interest in whether private enterprise provides separate but equal services to homosexuals? The answer is because the homosexual lobby has succeeded in writing statutes which prohibit discrimination against homosexuals. This sounds reasonable on its face, after all we prohibit discrimination based on sex, age, religion, ethnicity and race.

The rationale for these laws is that the discrimination is irrational as well as harmful. It is irrational because it assumes that every member of a class always behaves in a manner consistent with the stereotype of that class. Thus, if we fail to hire members of a given race because we think those people are shiftless, feckless, or dangerous, we might be right in our judgment as far as a statistical majority of that race is concerned. But the stereotype will never apply to 100% of the individuals in the race. There will always be individuals who break free of the stereotype, just as I intend someday to prove on the dance floor.

So from a sociologist's or a statistician's point of view, discrimination based on race is irrational. But it might not be irrational from a business point of view. If, for example, an employer believes that one race that is statistically more prone to crime than another, an easy way to eliminate a source of employee crime is to avoid hiring individuals of that race. It's a very cheap screening process which, although not perfect, reduces risk at no apparent cost to the employer except perhaps a need in missed opportunity costs because he passed over a superior individual who performs counter to the stereotype. There may be other very rational reasons for employers to commit racial discrimination such as customer acceptance, and co-employee acceptance, to name a couple. But the law prohibits this kind of discrimination.

The law prohibits it ostensibly because politicians have calculated that the harm done to the individuals so stereotyped, whether rightly or wrongly, far outweighs any advantage devolving to employers who practice discrimination. This is a judgment call, a value call, made by politicians and imposed on society. The politicians have said: we arrogate unto ourselves the sole right to make this judgment and forbid you from making this very same judgment on penalty of criminal sanctions. We do not care whether your business sense tells you it is rational for you to discriminate based on race, we tell you that the societal cost is too high; our value trumps your value; nor do we care that we are depriving you of liberty when we deprive you of the right or power to discriminate; as a matter of fact, politicians will routinely say that there is no liberty to discriminate based on race because the act is so heinous. Again, this is a value judgment. When the emotion is wrung out of the issue, we must concede that the liberty of the employer is sacrificed to accommodate a more favored value.

Interestingly, the law permits one to discriminate based on race in the choice of a spouse. Evidently, society considers it a higher value to respect the liberty of the bigots who refuse an offer of marriage based solely on race than to require them to marry. On the other hand, the law has said that society may not prohibit miscegenation and must respect the liberty of people to marry who decline to discriminate against a suitor based on race. Not too many years ago the failure to discriminate was considered criminal by some jurisdictions. (Anti-miscegenation statutes overturned by the Supreme Court in Loving V. Virginia, 1967). So that which the employer may not do is absolutely ok for the lover to do, in fact, society may not interfere with the lover bent on doing that which is criminal if done by an employer. Clearly, the idea of legally prohibiting discrimination is a moving target as values shift up and down the scale depending on the circumstances and the ebb and flow of political correctness.

So I have lost my liberty as an employer to discriminate on the basis of race but in nearly the same time frame I have gained liberty to marry without being forced to discriminate on the basis of race. I have also retained a liberty to decline to marry because I choose to discriminate on the basis of race.

Well, this is certainly going to get complicated. First, it is not clear whether or not the law compels me to discriminate on the basis of sex when I marry. It has recently become more clear by virtue of the Supreme Court case Lawrence v. Texas (2003) that I have liberty to discriminate on the basis of sex about whom I might choose to (yuck) sodomize. In other words, the state cannot prohibit me from sodomizing someone of the same sex providing I do it in private (the old "don't frighten the horses" test). So in the ever cascading values game, I am at liberty to sodomize whom I please but in about 48 jurisdictions at my last count I am not at liberty to decline to discriminate in marriage against persons of my own gender. The law compels me to discriminate against them if I want to marry them but not if I just want to bugger them.

Evidently, the Supreme Court permits buggery in private because it places a high value in the right of privacy. The Supreme Court so far has not chosen to invalidate laws against homosexual marriage, presumably because it does not value the right of homosexual marriage as highly as it does the right to bugger in private.

But fixing on privacy as the key to understanding these distinctions comes a cropper if I try to invoke the doctrine to permit me to bugger either sex when the objects of my attention are underage. Apparently, the need to protect the underaged from my perversity is greater than the interest society has in safeguarding my right to sodomize in private.

The point of all this is not just to demonstrate that the law weighs one value against another and almost always prefers one value over another. The point is that to prefer one value over another is another way of saying that someone just got deprived of liberty. It is important that we do not let leftists change the subject. It may be perfectly good to deprive bigots of the right to discriminate but let not our indignation over discrimination based on race becloud our understanding that we are sacrificing liberty for some other value which might be very important to the person deprived. This can become significant when one takes the next step and deprives an innocent person who has not engaged in discrimination of equal opportunity to obtain jobs or academic placement. Liberals get away with depriving these innocents of the equal protection of laws because they have succeeded in shutting off the idea of liberty and the need always to preserve it.

It is not really fashionable today to talk about liberty. In fact, we have come to the place where it is politically incorrect to talk about liberty in the wrong context.

In the context of housing and, generally, the right to freedom of association, it seems to me that a corollary duty arises in the state to protect the individual when it forces him against his will to associate with those whom he would rather discriminate against. That is why there was so much guerrilla resistance which ultimately prevailed in Massachusetts against busing kids to school. The parents felt their kids would be vulnerable. That is why we have white flight, because citizens feel the state does not keep them safe in a mixed race environment.

When liberals turn society into a giant Skinner Box and people into rats in an experimental laboratory, the people naturally become resentful, especially when they see themselves made vulnerable by policies that they do not accept are in accord with the witness of their own eyes. Their eyes tell them that African-American ghettos are dangerous places but liberals conducting social experiments using the law deny these people the right to act on the evidence of their own eyes. More, they fail to provide protection against the very ills feared by the people who are the rats in the liberals' Skinner box. Worse and most galling, the liberal elites hypocritically insulate themselves from the risks associated with the laws used to box in the people as they frame their social experiments.

So long as the question is seen as one of bigotry rather than liberty, many people will feel themselves buggered by a government blind to the evidence of their eyes.

14 posted on 04/13/2014 10:21:27 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Kaslin

If someone belongs to the nazi party and has nazi stickers and emblems, you can assume he agrees with its ideology. He should be kept under close watch.

If someone belongs to a middle eastern group, with an ideology that expressly hates Jews and Christians, and believes it is OK to kill them, he should be kept under close watch. Very close watch.

That’s not ethnic profiling.

15 posted on 04/13/2014 10:33:53 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: nathanbedford

You are of course correct. I have written extensively about discrimination, the sorting out of facts, of profiling as a means of winnowing down the numbers to learn those likely of the crime. Discriminating is to make decisions that can decide life or death.

My problem is that of knee jerk reaction that excludes the field of candidates by very narrow sanctimonious decisions putting the conservative individuals pride agaist what is best for America

16 posted on 04/13/2014 10:37:12 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: piroque

In some places there will be leftist persecution.

Profiling a crime makes sense, if the guy is Hispanic, 5’5”, and weighs 150 makes no sense to be stopping 6’, white, 225 lb men or women.

What the description is should be who is questioned. with that said, if there is NO EVIDENCE then back off. A bad arrest will keep the real criminal or terrorist from being pursued. Petty thieves in groups of two or more, who break into cars, steal at schools or businesses will escalate to home invasions if not caught within a few months USUALLY, especially teens. The arrogance of not being caught creates an invisible attitude and a need for bigger thrill seeking.

17 posted on 04/13/2014 11:21:20 AM PDT by Kackikat
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