Posted on 04/13/2014 9:46:36 AM PDT by Kaslin
You are 100% correct Jimbo.
Yanukovitch was scheduled to fly to Donenstk that evening to attend a political caucus of the Party of Regions over the weekend. He needed to explain what was happening in Kiev to his constituents in the East.
When the Maidan radicals stormed the Parliament building, MPs had just gathered there to vote on the legislation which Yanukovich was supposed to sign on Monday when he returned.
The armed radicals then forced a vote on Presidential impeachment after beating and threatening several members. Only a miscalculation on the number of votes needed for impeachment prevented the veneer of legitimacy to their illegal actions.
The key element to these events was the withdrawal of security forces from around the government buildings in an effort to comply with the agreement that had just been negotiated with Europe, Russia, and the opposition.
That is not how it works, so that is a false argument.
Your wrong about the definition of subsidy. I asked you to look it up. Apparently you didn't.
Anyway you're losing the point.
Russia and Ukraine agreed to a 30% reduction in the price of gas for 25 years in excahnge for permission to extend Russia's lease of the naval base in Crimea.
Russia has now taken the Ukrainian base and is discarding the deal.
You don't thing that's wrong?
“I agree that I was focused on a single fact. However, if that single fact was a half truth — then if it’s left out, nothing but another half truth is left.”
The full context had beeen discussed earlier, but may or may not have been recognized or understood.
“Okay, that one there is durned funny!!! Guns, jets, and artillery defeat lawyers, every single time.”
Which is why Goering and his buddies were hanged or committed suicide to avoid hanging.
“You have never read Machiavelli, have you?”
Of course I’ve read Machiavelli, but I’ve also read the many responses to Machiavelli, such as the Kellogg-Briand or Paris Pact of 1928 and a number of other subsequent authorities in international law that authorize the “Guns, jets, and artillery” to “defeat” and bring retribution by international law to the practitioners of Machivellan intrigues and hand them over to the lawyers for punishment, if they survive that long.
Nothing, and Ukrainian governments have been stealing gas from the distribution system for decades.
Its one of the reasons Russian gas costs more in Europe and also why there's a huge pipeline project underway to bypass Ukraine.
“Anyone America doesn’t like — we’ll just designate them pirates and brigands.”
This has nothing to do with the U.S. and everything to do with Russia unilaterraly abrogating the Russian Ukrainian Naval Base for Gas treaty. The discounted price for the Ukrainian purchase of Russian natural gas was in exchange for Russia to maintain a naval base in the Crimea for a specified limited time period. Russia’s doubling of the natural gas price for the Ukraine abrogated the treaty and stole the Ukrainian territories in breach of international peace, the budapest memorandum 1994, the Charter of the United Nations, and the Kellogg-Briand Pact. Furthermore, Russia used GRU Spetsnaz troops covertly in military uniforms lacking the distinguishing insignia of a commisioned combatant as required by the laws of war and the Hague Conventions relating to war. These covert Spetsnaz troops are therefore unlawful combatants punishable under the laws of war and the Hague Conventions as spies, saboteurs, brigands, and (yes) even as pirates.
“Then: “Damn the agreements...full speed ahead!””
That is exactly what Putin’s Russian regime did in fact with its blatant abrogation of the Russian Ukrainian Naval Base for Gas treaty and unlawful conquest of the Ukrainian Crimea.
“The only point I was ever trying to make is that the new price Russia is demanding is the market price of gas in Europe, and that simple fact cannot be simply ignored. I completely agree that contracts and international law cannot be ignored. Not having seen those contracts; I wouldn’t presume to argue whether or not they’ve been violated. As I said, those are not simple facts — they are the types of things that make lawyers rich.”
Another fact you have overlooked and drawn the wrong conclusion to incorrectly say, Russia is demanding is the market price of gas in Europe,” is the actual price the Ukraine paid for its Russian natural gas deliveries. A price of $284, IIRC, is being cited as the “low” or “discounted price the Ukraine is paying below what Poland and other European states are paying. Such a price is wrong, because the price omits the other consideration paid by the ukraine to Russia for the natural gas: and that is the Russian Ukrainian Naval Base for Gas treaty. the total price of the Russian natural gas is the $284 per unit plus whatever monetary value the lease of the Crimean naval bases for Russia were worth. This is presumably much more than $284 or perhaps even much more than just $500 per unit and no land lease. So, you can seee how the propaganda about the Ukrainian purchase prices has been misleaading and unfairly prejudicial against the Ukraine.
It also demonstrates why the Ukraine is justified in suspending all further payments for the natural gas to Russia given its hostile conquest of the naval bases leased in the treaty and the current existence of a war of aggression by Russia against the Ukraine.
indeed and to think the idiots in congress are all puting their eggs in the Chinese basket as a main supplier..
Ukraine is offering the equivalent of the old Wimpy hamburger deal: they’re offering to pay for the gas they used yesterday in return for a discount today.
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