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Is Harry Reid Involved? Seven Answers to Seven Questions
The Blaze ^ | April 13, 2014 | Becket Adams

Posted on 04/13/2014 10:42:43 AM PDT by yoe

Government officials retreated Saturday from federal property in Gold Butte, Nev., leaving behind some 389 “trespass cattle” that had been impounded as the result of a decades-long dispute between a local rancher and the U.S. government.

But while the story has managed to capture the attention of thousands of Americans, it has also managed to confuse thousands more. Indeed, from questions regarding property rights to whether a Democratic senator was involved in the cattle roundup, many have been left wondering what it’s all about and searching for the facts.

[snip] Does Sen. Harry Reid have a connection to the Bureau of Land Management?

[snip] 6. Is Harry Reid working with the Chinese to force the Bundys out?

[snip] 5. So Who Owns the Land in Question?

(Excerpt) Read more at theblaze.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: beck; blm; bundy; isinformed; lackingfacts; latetotheparty; msmtalkingpoints
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1 posted on 04/13/2014 10:42:43 AM PDT by yoe
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To: yoe

CRAP.


2 posted on 04/13/2014 10:47:40 AM PDT by gwgn02
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To: yoe

I have more info here. Reid bought his own BLM land in the middle of Searchlight in early 70s, likely at $2.50 per acre mining patent under 1872 law.


3 posted on 04/13/2014 10:48:26 AM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: yoe

Dirty, crooked, Harry involved? Yes.


4 posted on 04/13/2014 10:49:21 AM PDT by mulligan (I)
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To: yoe

Beck and the Crew forget one thing. Article 1 Sec 8, number 17 of the enumerated powers. The federal government CAN NOT own any other lands other than what are indicated in that enumerated power. And the ten mile square? The is in reference to Washington DC.


5 posted on 04/13/2014 10:51:10 AM PDT by crz
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To: yoe

Some of the Blaze stuff is probably lifted from my site. As far as I know, I was first to link Kornze to Reid and solar land set asides (Tortoise kill zones I think I phrased it).


6 posted on 04/13/2014 10:53:12 AM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: yoe

The problem here is..is Nevada actually a state? Or has it considered itself a territory? Nevada had better amend its constitution.

Want to know why the feds fought to claim that land?

Gold and Silver and other minerals. Need to Check out how many mining firms operating in that state are actually US based firms. Bet very few.


7 posted on 04/13/2014 10:57:56 AM PDT by crz
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To: DaxtonBrown
It's not an accident that Kornze was inserted into the BLM near the top ~3 years ago and is "suddenly" the Director.

Given that Congress has turned law making over to the Agencies, Reid is now effectively in charge of making the Law all by himself.

As another FReeper pointed out, "King John was fond of saying, "The law is in my mouth.". Now Rustler Reid is in charge of the Laws made by the BLM so that the Laws of the BLM actually come from the mouth of Rustler Reid.

8 posted on 04/13/2014 10:59:44 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: yoe; All

IT’S ONE OF HARRY’S SONS who made the deal with the Chinese for a solar conglomerate. It’s on paper .. it’s not like it’s some whispering campaign or something.

FACTS ARE FACTS - and Harry Reid’s family is neck deep in it. And .. HOW MUCH ARE THE CHINESE GOING TO PAY THE REIDS IF THEY CAN DELIVER THIS “FREE RANGE” LAND TO THE CHINESE ..??

HARRY NEVER DOES ANYTHING UNLESS THERE’S A MONEY PAYOFF FOR HIM.


9 posted on 04/13/2014 11:00:34 AM PDT by CyberAnt (True the Vote: MY AMERICA, "... I'm terrified it's slipping away.")
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To: crz

I have a friend down there working for a firm from down under.


10 posted on 04/13/2014 11:04:55 AM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: yoe

and it cost like 3 million to rustle those cattle


11 posted on 04/13/2014 11:06:21 AM PDT by molson209 (Hillary Clinton)
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To: yoe

Do we have any Senator brave enough to ask Harry Ried, in open session, and on the Senate Floor, what his involvement in the Solar Land Scheme is?

Or would doing so be IMMEDIATELY deemed by the liberal media, and the Late-Night Comedians as Crazy and racist?


12 posted on 04/13/2014 11:10:40 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: DaxtonBrown; Jim Robinson

Will you please post a link to your site?


13 posted on 04/13/2014 11:13:15 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: yoe

Beck’s closeness to Huntsman really makes anything from the Blaze questionable to me, after watching old man Huntsman run down Ted Cruz last year. Mow likely is it Reid and Huntsman are cronies? I’m guessing it’s very likely.


14 posted on 04/13/2014 11:14:51 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: hoosiermama

oooops, sorry, I left out link. http://www.futurnamics.com/reid_bundyranch.php

A lot more Reid dirt developing. This may have cracked the lid.


15 posted on 04/13/2014 11:16:18 AM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: CyberAnt

His son Rory, a middle-aged lawyer.
Sell land you don’t own, using your Dad’s political influence, and for less than it’s worth, while running a family off the land that’s been there since 1870. Snidely Whiplash would be proud.
Nice work, if you can get it.


16 posted on 04/13/2014 11:19:12 AM PDT by tumblindice (Are all Democrats inveterate, habitual liars?)
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To: gusopol3

There was a lot more to this event than tortoises or land disputes. Bundy doesn’t even run that many cattle and we’re talking about an enormous amount of land that couldn’t possibly have been affected by a few hundred cows. I don’t know if it’s water rights, mineral rights, or what, but something stinks to high heaven.


17 posted on 04/13/2014 11:19:28 AM PDT by ChocChipCookie ("Demons run when a good man goes to war.")
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To: DaxtonBrown

Thank you!


18 posted on 04/13/2014 11:20:07 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: gusopol3

“Beck’s closeness to Huntsman really makes anything from the Blaze questionable to me, after watching old man Huntsman run down Ted Cruz last year. Mow likely is it Reid and Huntsman are cronies? I’m guessing it’s very likely.”

Beck has a problem. As a practicing Mormon, does he back Jack Mormon Reid, or decent “real Mormon” Bundy? Mormons refer to “the worst of the worst on this Earth, as The Son’s of Perdition.” Now, finally we get to see one, Dingy Harry Reid!


19 posted on 04/13/2014 11:20:45 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: tumblindice

(Or Hedley Lamar. That’s *Hedley*!)


20 posted on 04/13/2014 11:21:06 AM PDT by tumblindice (Are all Democrats inveterate, habitual liars?)
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To: yoe

The problem is not the rancher, or his land.

It is the EPA and the cows. The company that wants to use the government owned land for solar power can’t use it if cows are running loose on it.

The EPA is the ‘left’s’ most prized asset. They can’t just break their own ‘rules’ and ‘laws’ to allow this solar plant to go into effect. The greenies would freak out. The fortunes of many politicians who stand to gain from this sell-off to foreign companies would be affected.

So... the cows gotta go. That is what it was about, that is why they went after the cows and tried to round them all up.


21 posted on 04/13/2014 11:21:47 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: DaxtonBrown; Ray76
Good afternoon.

As far as I know, I was first to link Kornze to Reid and solar land set asides (Tortoise kill zones I think I phrased it).

Yes, and FReeper Ray 76 exposed Reid, Rory, and the Chicom connection.

We (FR) got some attributions, but this site broke it wide open.

5.56mm

22 posted on 04/13/2014 11:26:16 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: M Kehoe

Yup, I think we was robbed.


23 posted on 04/13/2014 11:30:10 AM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: yoe
Is Harry Reid Involved? Seven Answers to Seven Questions

The Koch brothers should get an army of private investigators on this, and then provide it to the few REAL journalists left, "Depp Throat" style! I'd love to see Harry disgraced and incarcerated!

24 posted on 04/13/2014 11:33:01 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Who but a TYRANT shoves down another man's throat what he has exempted himself from?)
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To: crz
That is incorrect. The US Government can own land according to Article 1 section. Lets look at the actual article.

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings

The land in question is part of the Lake Mead National Recreation area with includes Hover Dam, Lake Mead, several docks, repair facilities, power generation and distribution, roads, a coast guard auxiliary, marinas, and lots of other maintenance and administrative facilities.

In this case, there is an additional part of the Constitution called the Treaty clause from Article II section 2, clause 2 that comes into play. The reason that this is valid is that the US Government obtained ownership of the land via the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo at the end of the US Mexico war.

It was after this war and subsequent treaty, that Nevada became a state. And in the state's constitution, it specifically refutes any ownership of the lands in question. This satisfies the consent of the legislature requirement.

So constitutionally speaking, there is no infringement by the US government for owning the land.

25 posted on 04/13/2014 11:37:15 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: vette6387

I don’t trust Glenn Beck anymore. He’s too erratic. And acts a part he isn’t. I don’t think he knows what he is.


26 posted on 04/13/2014 11:41:41 AM PDT by flaglady47 (Oppressors can tyranize only w/a standing army-enslaved press-disarmed populace)
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To: taxcontrol

Assuming, arguendo, that is correct, let’s return to the topoi of the thread and the real issue:
Who gave Rory Reid authorization to sell a license to the Chinese, and presumably pocket a fat commission?
His father?
Since (clearing throat) *we* are the US government, maybe we should have been apprised of this before harrumphing `Hedley’ Reid and his pa hired a federal agency to run the Bundys off land they have been using for three generations.

Teapot Dome!


27 posted on 04/13/2014 11:46:04 AM PDT by tumblindice (Are all Democrats inveterate, habitual liars?)
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To: yoe

I’m willing to bet that nobody in Nevada makes dirty money without Harry’s hand in it somehow.


29 posted on 04/13/2014 11:49:03 AM PDT by DPMD
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To: CyberAnt

After the hero of Benghazi was elected, Reid had him shut down Yucca Mountain. This kept the challenges to nuke power going and Harry’s kid will benefit from solar.


30 posted on 04/13/2014 11:49:10 AM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: wolf24

Dana and I were running neck and neck on this for a while on Twitter, so you are exactly right.


31 posted on 04/13/2014 11:52:07 AM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: tumblindice

“Who gave Rory Reid authorization to sell a license to the Chinese, and presumably pocket a fat commission?
His father?”

Also if the land was Federal, why did they need the Clark County commission to sign off on it and for under appraisal?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3143479/posts

“ENN scored big when Clark County commissioners unanimously voted to sell the Chinese company the public land for just $4.5 million, despite the fact that it was appraised at $38.6 million.”


32 posted on 04/13/2014 11:55:36 AM PDT by FR_addict
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To: FR_addict

The Blaze seems to be going out of their way to protect Harry Reid. This operation did not get shut down for nothing.


33 posted on 04/13/2014 11:57:53 AM PDT by FR_addict
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To: taxcontrol
Other needful buildings? Which buildings? If you refer to the dam. Then since that falls within other needful buildings, which it does, then you are correct. But, ALL the lands that border that man MADE lake, are in fact, the state of Nevadas, and the State of Arizona. The states created this government and not the other way around.

The treaty Of Guadalupe Hidalgo is invalid in this case since the enumerated power is in fact superior. The state of Nevada was declared by Lincoln, to garner votes for his re-election as well as other purposes. Once Nevada became a state, ALL that land belongs to the state. If not, then all states are in fact territorial and hold NO constitutional bases for existence.

34 posted on 04/13/2014 12:00:09 PM PDT by crz
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To: bigheadfred

What is it now? 7th or 8th in ranking for gold and silver worldwide?

Few people understand this.


35 posted on 04/13/2014 12:03:38 PM PDT by crz
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To: tumblindice

I disagree with your set of questions. My questions are:

Who legally owns the land?
Does the owner get to decide how that land is to be used?
Does the owner get to decide to alter the terms of the agreement during renewal?
Does the owner get to charge a fee for the use of their land?
Does the owner get to evict someone who is not paying for use of that land?
Has the US Government been collecting rents (grazing fees) on this land before Bundy was born and before Ried was even elected?
Did Bundy stop paying his legally required (Taylor Grazing act) grazing fees of his own free will?
Did any politician (much less Ried) force Bundy to stop paying his grazing fees?


36 posted on 04/13/2014 12:03:44 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: crz

The state of Nevada constitution specifically ceded the land to the government:

http://www.leg.state.nv.us/Const/NvConst.html

Under the first paragraph of the Ordinance section, Third item.

But as to the lands in question, you assert that some of the lands and thus by inference, the 600,000 acres in question belong to the State of Nevada. I have not seen any proof or indication of such. Please, if you have such documentation or citation, provide it so it can be researched and discussed.


37 posted on 04/13/2014 12:08:53 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: tumblindice
(Or Hedley Lamar. That’s *Hedley*!)

"Land....see 'Snatch'"

38 posted on 04/13/2014 12:10:49 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: taxcontrol

They constitutionally could NOT give that land to the US Government. They need to amend that portion of their state constitution.
That is, unless they fail to recognize the US Constitution.

So you are for a US Senator taking any land for his personal advancement then?


39 posted on 04/13/2014 12:12:45 PM PDT by crz
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To: taxcontrol

Are you in favor of things like this also?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3143953/posts


40 posted on 04/13/2014 12:14:44 PM PDT by crz
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To: crz; taxcontrol
"So you are for a US Senator taking any land for his personal advancement then?"

The BLM Law now comes from the mouth of Rustler Reid, so anything he does with BLM Land is now legal.

41 posted on 04/13/2014 12:22:11 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: crz

Nevada did not need to give the land to the US government. The US owned the land prior due to the treaty of Guadalupe Hildago. Constitutionally speaking, that treaty is the “law of the land” and is empowered by Article II section 2 of the Constitution.

As of yet, I do not see where Sen Reid has anything to do with Bundy refusing to pay his grazing fees that are authorized by a law that was passed before Sen Ried (or Bundy) was even born.

Yes I know that there is a lot of speculation about Ried’s involvement.


42 posted on 04/13/2014 12:30:05 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: crz

Separate issue and not germane to this conversation.


43 posted on 04/13/2014 12:30:47 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Paladin2

That is about the jist of it. The establishment cant give up power very willingly.

Sadly, we have those types on this site that support such.


44 posted on 04/13/2014 12:31:11 PM PDT by crz
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To: taxcontrol

And you are not germane either.


45 posted on 04/13/2014 12:32:19 PM PDT by crz
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To: DaxtonBrown
So where in the map below (from your site) would the Bundy grazing lands be?


46 posted on 04/13/2014 12:38:23 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Yo-Yo

Who can we get to initiate legislation to exercise eminent domain and turn Reid’s land into a series of nuke plants?


47 posted on 04/13/2014 12:42:02 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: Yo-Yo

Bundy Ranch is at least 150 miles north, but you have to remember this is Nevada, never really had population before and long distances. More interesting is that Bundy and Reid lands are along Colorado River basin and Lake Mead.

Reid land is mining claims he bought likely for $2 fifty cents an acre. No more (or less) right to it tan the Bundys in an historical sense.

Also, the highway going down the middle from top to bottom and recently expanded benefits Harry Reid greatly. I guarantee plan was to make this bedroom community with his shyster developer buddy Jim Rhodes (who gave illegal contributions to Reid and also built his house).


48 posted on 04/13/2014 12:49:16 PM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: Yo-Yo

By the way, the area labeled Reid and Brown land is important because Brown is Harry’s bagman for collecting bribes. long history of this.


49 posted on 04/13/2014 12:50:53 PM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: crz

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/18032-blm-s-seizure-of-nevada-rancher-s-land-rights-unconstitutional


50 posted on 04/13/2014 12:51:35 PM PDT by savedbygrace (But God!)
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