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Ukraine says it can prove that Russia coordinated weekend attacks
KyivPost ^ | April 13, 2014 | Katya Gorchinskaya

Posted on 04/13/2014 11:51:32 AM PDT by 1rudeboy

Ukrainian officials say that Russia coordinated the takeovers of several Donetsk Oblast government buildings seized over the weaken by heavily armed and masked men in military uniforms.

“We have all concrete proof of Russia's secret agency involvement in the separatist insurgency and takeovers of government buildings in eastern Ukraine. The evidence and witness testimonies will be presented to the international community on April 17 in Geneva,” Ukraine's Foreign Ministry said in a statement on April 13.

Former Vladimir Putin's adviser Andrei Illarionov, expressed a similar conviction to Ukraine's news website.

“I have to stress, this is an intervention, an insurgency of Russian special forces, not a separatist riot on the territory of Ukraine. If the problem is not solved within three days, the territories of Ukraine will be lost,” said Illarionov.

Some of Ukraine's security specialists say that the Russian military operation is supported by genuine separatist sentiment in the east.

“It's not a clean insurgence. There are, unfortunately, also separatist moods, and people think Kyiv is full of 'Banderites' and set them up,” says one senior source from a security agency, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of sensitivity of the issue. "Banderites" refers to supporters of Ukrainian nationalist Stepan Bandera (1909-1959), who is reviled by the Kremlin as a Nazi collaborator.

“If it was just clearly Russian invasion, the operation would be much cleaner,” the source said.

Nevertheless, there is plenty of evidence to point to heavy Russian military presence in the coordinated takeovers.

Use of Russian weapons, well-trained men

Some of the weapons used by the “little green men,” the camouflaged soldiers with no insignia who appeared over the weekend in many towns in eastern Ukraine, are not carried by either the Ukrainian army, or any of its special agencies. In particular, automatic rifles of AK-100 series that are visible on many photos and videos from Sloviansk, are one type of such weapons.

Acting President Olekandr Turchynov also said in his April 13 address that it was “terrorist groups coordinated by the Russian Federation” who took over Interior Ministry departments and other administraive buildings in Sloviansk and other cities of Donetsk Oblast. “It was particularly dangerous in the town of Slovansk, where professionally trained criminals were working, dressed in Russian camouflage and armed with Russian automatic weapons,” Turchynov said.

Videos taken in Kramatorsk show what is clearly a well-organized military operation, where part of the camouflaged men walk inside the building, while others secure the perimeter outside as they kneel in front of the entrance, pointing their guns outwards. (More videos here and here.)

Heavy presence of Russian coordinators

Earlier this month, Ukraine's Security Service detained Roman Bannykh, affiliated with Russia's Main Intelligence Department, in Luhansk Oblast, when he attempted to enter Ukraine. The SBU said he organized and coordinated the work of a subversive group operating in Ukraine. SBU has reported a number of similar cases in the past two months, indicating a growth in the presence of Russia's secret agents in Ukraine.

Dmytro Tymchuk, a retired high-ranking army officer who organizes Information Resistance, a group that fact-checks and collects military information, said that “the general supervision over the actions of separatists is performed by the coordinators of Russian Main Intelligence Department.” He also said some of the operations are performed by troops of the Main Intelligence Department of the Military Headquarters of the Russian Federation, in coordination with private guard of a Ukrainian oligarch and local separatist troops made up of volunteers.

Communication traffic traced back to Russia

The analysis of communication traffic of the separatists can be traced back to Russia. The actions of separatist forces are coordinated through radio channels and online channels, and coordinators of actions can be traced back to the Russian Federation, Ukraine security source said.

Geography of attacks is not accidental

The geography of attacks in Donetsk Oblast is not accidental for two reasons. Many of the cities that were attacked are located close to the Svyatohorsk Assumption Lavra, or monastery, of the Moscow Patriarchate, which Ukrainian security officials believe serves as a military base for the insurgents. The towns such as Sloviansk and Kramatorsk in Donetsk Oblast, where separatist actions have been particularly fierce, are easily accessible from that location.

Moreover, the towns have a certain strategic significance, particularly from the point of view of securing control over transport and access to Donetsk Oblast. Krasnoarmeisk, for example, hosts a military air base used by a flight club at the moment. Druzhkovka and Gorlovka are railway junctions.

“From the map you can clearly see that all the towns that became epicenters of conflicts (on April 12) form a provisional chain that cuts Donetsk Oblast from Dnipropetrovsk,” Levyi Bereg news website wrote on April 12.

Copy of Maidan

The separatists in eastern Ukraine attempt to copy the EuroMaidan Revolution's successful tactics in their work. They create barricades around buildings they take over, they use car tires and set them on fire to protect themselves from attacks of anti-terrorist troops unleashed by the central government. These are all planned attempts to legitimize the separatist moves in eastern Ukraine, some analysts have noted.

At the same time, much of what happens in Ukraine is similar to the early stages of operations in Crimea. There, similarly clad military men also appeared at the early stages of the takeover of the peninsula, and were then followed by Russian army vehicles.

Turchynov, in his April 13 address, noted this similarity. “We will not allow Russia to repeat the Crimean spenario in the eastern region of Ukraine,” he said, announcing a massive anti-terrorist operation.

The action looks coordinated to be over by April 17

Ukraine's authorities fear that the separatist actions that started in eastern Ukraine this weekend look coordinated to finish by April 17, when multilateral talks are planned on Ukraine-Russan relations in the wake of Crimea annexation.

But Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov warned U.S. State Secretary John Kerry in a telephone conversation on April 12 that the talks will not happen in Kyiv uses force to deal with insurgence in the country's east.

“Lavrov warned that in the case of materialization of the threats that sound from Kyiv to use force against the desperate residents of southeast, the prospect of further cooperation on Ukrainian issue will be disrupted, including the planned four-side meeting in Geneva” Russia's Foreign Ministry warned in its April 13 statement.

TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: donetsk; putin; russia; ukraine
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To: 1rudeboy
Later, why did the protests turn violent?

Ukrainian government snipers killing rioters. Of course riot police don't usually use snipers. Maybe Russian "false flag"?

41 posted on 04/13/2014 3:34:16 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: Rashputin
“fyi . . . Some “proof” isn't very convincing. The AK-100 is available in a number of calibers including NATO 5.56 and in fact are inexpensive by comparison to the M-16 family.”

And... ? You mean Soros/NWO purchased them and set it all up to make Russia look bad ?

42 posted on 04/13/2014 4:02:23 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: 1rudeboy
Not to worry Ukraine, Obama is sending help the following week.

Joe Biden

43 posted on 04/13/2014 4:03:11 PM PDT by AU72
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To: AU72
"President Obama personally asked me to relay a message that he enjoys MRE's also, but that they don't meet the First Lady's dietary guidelines for preschoolers."
--Joe Biden
44 posted on 04/13/2014 4:05:51 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Grzegorz 246

Set it up so their guys wouldn’t look any different than the Russians would be more like it.

45 posted on 04/13/2014 4:22:58 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: mosesdapoet

Putin wants to reconstruct the USSR...

46 posted on 04/13/2014 4:46:13 PM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: 1rudeboy
"How many troops has the US or EU sent to Ukraine?"

At this point I'd say several dozen each from the US and whatever NATO country or countries volunteered to help our guys. What's your guess?

47 posted on 04/13/2014 9:04:57 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

I think the Ukrainians are playing it dumb. They should be already blowing crap up in Russia. They should be talking to the Turks to liven things up there.

By doing nothing they allow Putin an easy victory.

or maybe they don’t really want to bleed to get their freedom? Maybe they want U.S. which case I tell em to go to hell.

Show me

48 posted on 04/13/2014 9:32:31 PM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, WIN LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: TomasUSMC

Well do you really want to get in a p*ss fight with the Bear?

49 posted on 04/13/2014 9:35:27 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Mike Darancette

They’re the majority only in Crimea. And do you think that Putin would allow areas in Russia where Russians are not a majority to secede?

50 posted on 04/13/2014 9:42:20 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: AnAmericanInEngland

It’d be a shame to think that some of these people really would base a foreign policy on Putin’s position on gays. I think he believes that stuff as much as he believed in communism and and now as much as he believes in Christianity.

51 posted on 04/13/2014 9:45:07 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: Rashputin

“Set it up”

Who ? Soros/neo-cons ?

52 posted on 04/13/2014 11:30:23 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246
Little Bo Peep.

Grzegorz 246

Whoever had enough money at risk to refuse to be outbid by Russia and couldn't risk waiting to see the outcome of an election that was only a few months away.

Of course, maybe Ukrainians just don't like elections without a little excitement in the streets first.

If you say Putin is Satan incarnate and everyone else is as pure as wind driven snow, great.

53 posted on 04/14/2014 12:35:54 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin
Yep, better put the tin foil hats on and blame it all on NWO/neo-con/sodomite EU/IMF/Rothschilds/Monsanto nazi conspiracy. You know better, everyone else is a simplistic moron.
54 posted on 04/14/2014 3:42:17 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246
Oh goodie.

Another twit who figures that if you don't agree with them you're into tinfoil stuff or a Commie.

Have a nice day now, ya' hear?

55 posted on 04/14/2014 10:24:15 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin

56 posted on 04/14/2014 11:17:02 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246
Hey, Thanks for the Selfie, dude !!
57 posted on 04/14/2014 11:36:54 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: TomasUSMC

At this point, blowing things up in Russia would just give Putin the excuse he needs to move heavy forces into Ukraine. The Turks may have been talked to, but, why would they want to antagonize Russia now? Maybe if Turkey is allied with the Crimean Tatars, that would gain sympathy, but is sympathy alone worth it to Turkey?

A bigger problem now is that the entire Ukrainian security apparatus is heavily infested with pro-Russians, if not out-and-out spies at higher levels. Probably every post of significance outside of the military was occupied by a Yanukovych cockroach, and even much of the military is compromised. It’s pretty hard to rebuild quickly almost from scratch. Kiev can try to bring in military from central and western Ukraine, but then they have to be careful those forces are not TOO vindictive, as that again brings Russia in, full force.

On the other hand, there may be no way for Ukraine to ultimately keep its territory without enticing Russia into a full scale attack / occupation, and fighting a long war of attrition. I believe that war could be won, but as I’ve posted elsewhere, IMO it could cost Ukraine somewhere in the neighborhood of half a million dead on their side, and a devastated country. (It might be even worse, as the added aspect of a civil war vs. some of their own seems to be clearer now.)

Half a million dead is a horrifying figure, but is much lower than the price Ukraine paid in WW2, only to end up subjugated to and purged by Russia.

I was walking all alone thru a side show
With passion and pain on each side.
Something inside me was calling
For a chance to stay alive.

At the time I didn’t know what was calling
As my head was buried in grief.
Today I heard what was crying.
My FREEDOM calling me

And we all make our choices
Like a blind man feels his way,
And the choice I’ve made is simple:
Passion over pain.

When I got to the end of the side show
And looked back to where I had been,
My eyes filled with teardrops of loneliness
For the ones who will never be free


I thought of the children in the side show
As they wandered around so confused.
Some day they’ll make their decision
But which one will they choose?


“Choices” by Uriah Heep (K. Hensley)

58 posted on 04/15/2014 7:36:04 AM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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