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Did Putin Blow Up the Whole Polish Government in 2010? A Second Look.
The Daily Beast ^ | 4/11/2014

Posted on 04/13/2014 1:05:58 PM PDT by KeyLargo

Did Putin Blow Up the Whole Polish Government in 2010? A Second Look.

A plane crash at Smolensk in Russia four years ago wiped out the Warsaw leadership. It used to be seen as an accident. Now, after Putin’s games in Ukraine, people aren’t so sure.

Four years ago this week, Polish President Lech Kaczynski was killed in a plane crash near the Katyn Forest in Russia where he was flying to honor the 22,000 Polish officers, lawyers, priests and professors slaughtered there by the Soviets 70 years before. Ninety-five other military, political and public figures including his wife died on that plane. One of the more heartbreaking details to emerge was that First Lady Maria Kaczynska’s body could be identified only by her nail polish and the inscription inside her wedding ring.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: kaytn; kgb; ofcoursehedid; poland; polish; putin; putinistasfanclub; soviets; ukraine; wot

Russian soldiers stand guard beside the wreckage of the Polish government Tupolev Tu-154 plane which crashed in Smolensk in April 2010

1 posted on 04/13/2014 1:05:59 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

This is old news, when this happened I already figured the Russians did it.


2 posted on 04/13/2014 1:07:56 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Bulwyf

Damn right they had something to do with it.The Russians figured who the hell was going to do anything about it.They were right of course.


3 posted on 04/13/2014 1:09:50 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE

Ya, it just seemed way too convenient to me that basically all the freedom loving people were on the same plane and it goes down.


4 posted on 04/13/2014 1:12:39 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: KeyLargo

Of course he did. He’s not called Vlad for nothing.


5 posted on 04/13/2014 1:13:22 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: KeyLargo

Did the Russians blow up the Polish government?

YES!


6 posted on 04/13/2014 1:13:53 PM PDT by MNGal
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To: Bulwyf

What the heck was the whole Polish government doing on the same flight?


7 posted on 04/13/2014 1:19:23 PM PDT by grania
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To: KeyLargo

At first I thought it was an accident but an odd one. Now I think it probably was political murder.


8 posted on 04/13/2014 1:21:39 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: grania

I know, it makes one wonder.


9 posted on 04/13/2014 1:21:52 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: yarddog

Me too.


10 posted on 04/13/2014 1:22:52 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: KeyLargo
there should Never, EVER, be THAT many tier one Officers and officials on ONE PLANE!!!
11 posted on 04/13/2014 1:24:04 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Bulwyf

yup, they did it, this was pointed out at the time back in 2010. there were some witnesses too that confirmed some suspicious soviet activity around it. that they were neutralizing survivors.


12 posted on 04/13/2014 1:26:10 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Chode

no kidding. you’d think their security protocols would’ve demanded multiple planes at diff times on diff routes.


13 posted on 04/13/2014 1:27:05 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: KeyLargo

If they did I can’t see that they gained much out of it.


14 posted on 04/13/2014 1:28:00 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Bulwyf

The ILS approach had been monkyed with causing the aircraft to be off course and below glideslope resulting in scattering the plane all over hell.


15 posted on 04/13/2014 1:37:22 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: KeyLargo

A day after the crash there was video on you tube with Russians wondering around the wreckage with the occasional gun shot being heard nearby. It was pretty obvious any survivors were being eliminated.


16 posted on 04/13/2014 1:49:07 PM PDT by Sheapdog (Chew the meat, spit out the bones - FUBO - Come and get me)
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To: Bulwyf

Bump


17 posted on 04/13/2014 1:51:58 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: Secret Agent Man
100% i mean most major companies won't even allow a majority of corp officers/board of directors/etc on one plane like that... a real recipe for disaster like they found out
18 posted on 04/13/2014 1:54:21 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: KeyLargo

If Putin didn’t do it you can bet he wished he did.


19 posted on 04/13/2014 2:07:23 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: grania

That’s a darn good question — I wonder if the Russians had a hand in that aspect of it as well.


20 posted on 04/13/2014 2:20:06 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: MNGal

September 2012 Independent Investigation Report Prepared by the Honorable Antoni Macierewicz, Chairman, Polish Parliamentary Group For the Investigation of the Causes of the Crash of the TU-154M Aircraft on April 10, 2010 in Russia.

Introduction

One of the most important questions being asked by Polish citizens today concerns the events of the morning of April 10, 2010 at the Smolensk airport in Russia, and what role in these events was played by the Russian government, and the Polish government of Prime Minister Donald Tusk. Today, after twenty-eight months since these tragic events took place, we are presenting you with the basic facts and hypothesis gathered and formulated by the Parliamentary Group for the Investigation of the TU-154 Airplane Crash on April 10, 2010. We are now half-way there. We already know, that without the collaboration of Prime Minister Tusk with Vladimir Putin, and without the separation of the visits to Katyn - this tragedy would not have happened. We know that the “Miller Report” is as falsified as is the Anodina’s [MAK] report. At last, we know, that one hypothesis explaining the chain of events is that the disintegration of the aircraft was caused by explosions in the air, due to the involvement of third parties. But even today, we have not yet gathered the necessary evidence in order to point to all those who were guilty. The published material is not yet a complete report, but rather, it shows and organizes facts and hypotheses that have been thus far ascertained. We hope that by the fall of 2012 we’ll be able to present the final findings concerning the technical aspects of the Smolensk crash, and within a year, at the most, our final report will be ready.

http://www.doomedsoldiers.com/polish-plane-crash-investigation/September-2012-Investigation-Report/Independent-Investigation-Report-Update-September-2012.html


21 posted on 04/13/2014 2:21:14 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: cripplecreek
If they did I can’t see that they gained much out of it.

Cut from the same cloth, Putin probably gained about as much as Stalin gained from the 1939 Katyn massacre.

22 posted on 04/13/2014 2:23:02 PM PDT by infool7 (The ugly truth is just a big lie.)
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To: KeyLargo

I don’t know if the Russians did it or not but putting that much of the government on one plane pretty much justifies about two-thirds of the “Polock” jokes I’ve ever heard. And since I have lots of “Hunkie” inlaws and outlaws who seem to collect them for telling at family reunions I’ve heard a ton of them.


23 posted on 04/13/2014 2:39:51 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin

It was a tragedy... and it was simple pilot error. The biggest cause of aviation disasters is human inattention and neglect. It happens.

Nothing sinister, conspiratorial or criminal happened in Smolensk.


24 posted on 04/13/2014 3:01:30 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
Whatever the cause, someone was an absolute nutcase for not having those same people fly in on several different planes rather than all in one aircraft.

But then again, that's example of inattention and neglect compounding a disaster.

25 posted on 04/13/2014 3:08:36 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin

Don’t forget it was a very cloudy day and I’m not surprised the pilots missed the runway.

I’ve done driving in thick fog and if you don’t pay attention, you’re liable to have an accident. Especially if there is zero visibility.

Even the most experienced people in the world don’t always exercise keen judgment in extreme conditions. But mix bad weather AND human error and the result is catastrophe.


26 posted on 04/13/2014 3:16:57 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

yes ... and the so-called murder of survivors was all bogus as well and exposed as such years ago. I saw the co-called video evidence and was not convinced. There was nothing there except pops of items blowing up in the fiery wreckage. There are easier and less suspicious ways to assassinate people that do not involve massive airplane conspiracies.


27 posted on 04/13/2014 3:24:52 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE
if the ILS, was tampered with the pilots would notice the discrepancy quickly as they passed over the outer marker beacon....and if the glide scope was off the pilots would seen an increased rate of descent...the bomb, was triggered by the lowering of the wheels, as on approach
28 posted on 04/13/2014 3:51:37 PM PDT by B212
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE
if the ILS, was tampered with the pilots would notice the discrepancy quickly as they passed over the outer marker beacon....and if the glide scope was off the pilots would seen an increased rate of descent...the bomb, was triggered by the lowering of the wheels, as on approach
29 posted on 04/13/2014 3:52:34 PM PDT by B212
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To: B212

Was it for sure a bomb?I remember reports of the shooting of survivors.


30 posted on 04/13/2014 4:17:41 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

And the polish version of free republic would be all over them for spending so much on travel.


31 posted on 04/13/2014 5:43:21 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: Rashputin

Actually I heard a report that initially the Polish government officials were going to take more than one plane to Smolensk Russia.....but that there was some kind of last minute issue that came up. I think it might have been an issue with the second plane or more planes that they would use. For the record, the plane that crashed had a “maintenance check up” with a Russian crew just a few months before the crash. In my opinion, I think they should have had their planes maintained by anybody, but the Russians.

As for you talking about supposed mistakes that Poles make to “justify” so called “Pollock” jokes against Polish people...that’s just sad. For the record these subhuman intelligence jokes against Polish people (renamed as “Polish jokes” by Hollywood and NBC-TV in the 1960’s) originated from WWII anti-Polish propaganda. Google “subhuman intelligence jokes” to see how anti-Polish jokes came about.


32 posted on 04/13/2014 6:47:34 PM PDT by USview
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To: KeyLargo

Within MINUTES after this crash.....Russia was saying how the cause of the plane crash was “pilot error”.

That in and of itself is suspicious, since the cause of any plane crash is only determined after a lengthy investigation.

But the reason why Russia was so quick to report to the world media that it crashed because of “pilot error” was to create a BIG LIE like media environment among the world media, that took Russia at its word. Basically in a BIG LIE you repeat something over and over and over and then have others echo it so that it appears to be “true”. This was disgusting.

I highly doubt it was pilot error since Polish Pilots have been historically some of the best pilots in the world.....like in WWII in the “Battle of Britain”.

Polish Squadrons including...Polish Squadron 303....made up 9% of the Allied forces in the Battle of Britain.....yet shot down 32% of the Nazi German enemy planes. The Polish Squadrons had a proportionally higher destruction rate of German planes than any other Allied force in the Battle of Britain. Google “Squadron 303”.

So no I don’t believe the Russians when they say the fault of this crash was “pilot error”.


33 posted on 04/13/2014 8:03:19 PM PDT by USview (Polish Pilots historically were great pilots)
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To: KeyLargo

Has anyone ever heard a voice recorder? It leaves no room for conspiracy.


34 posted on 04/14/2014 4:34:57 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

Yes airplane voice recorders and black boxes are good for showing what happened inside an airplane.

So its quite peculiar that Russia won’t return these to Poland, as well as the rest of the plane.

Its been 4 years now that the Russians have been keeping the wreckage of the plane. You would think by now they would have returned everything.

If it was the other way around and a Russian plane crashed in Poland (or Ukraine, or any other nation)with its Russian officials....the Russians would be threatening war if that nation refused after 4 months....let alone 4 YEARS..... to give back the wreckage of their crashed plane.


35 posted on 04/14/2014 8:59:28 PM PDT by USview (Polish Pilots historically were great pilots)
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