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Koch-style Political Ads; Are these type effective? (Vanity)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iXAzSMvAb0 ^ | April 13, 2014 | Din Maker

Posted on 04/13/2014 1:21:03 PM PDT by Din Maker

I appreciate the Koch Brothers financing political ads against the Dems who voted for ObamaCare. However, I'm taking an informal poll here. Tell me FReepers; if you think ads that end like this are effective: "Call her today, and tell her to stop spending taxpayers' money on ObamaCare." Is this effective or should the ad encourage voters to just get rid of her? They are running similar ads against Braley in Iowa and Udall in Colorado that say e.g. : "Tell Bruce Braley to stand with Iowa and stop supporting ObamaCare." Is that cool, or should it say: "Iowans, don't send Bruce Braley to the United States Senate; send him home."

To view the ad, click on the source, or cut and paste.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iXAzSMvAb0

Give me your opinion please.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: elections; senateraces
I'll hold my opinion, if you don't already know, until later.
1 posted on 04/13/2014 1:21:03 PM PDT by Din Maker
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To: Din Maker

I wish they would be more vocal about getting rid of these people for good. Take what you will out of that.


2 posted on 04/13/2014 1:24:12 PM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: Din Maker

It’s Crap.


3 posted on 04/13/2014 1:24:36 PM PDT by Zeneta (Thoughts in time and out of season.)
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To: Zeneta

I wouldn’t say it’s crap, but, I will say they could have gotten more bang for their buck if they’d have said: “Vote the bitch out.”


4 posted on 04/13/2014 1:26:26 PM PDT by Din Maker (Rand Paul, Rick Perry endorsed McConnell over Bevin. Neither will ever get my vote in 2016.)
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To: Din Maker

Doesn’t matter what WE think, we’re not about to vote for them anyway. But for those who are moderate/independent/on-the-fence, it’s more effective to link their vote to a universally unpopular program (Obamacare) than to attack a politician who they may like, have given money to in the past, or have benefited from.

The key think is to motivate those voters to vote against these incumbents, even though incumbents have many advantages. Just remember, Nevada voters gave Harry Reid another six years...


5 posted on 04/13/2014 1:26:45 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Blue Highway

My sentiments exactly.


6 posted on 04/13/2014 1:26:50 PM PDT by Din Maker (Rand Paul, Rick Perry endorsed McConnell over Bevin. Neither will ever get my vote in 2016.)
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To: Din Maker

AFP is incorporated as non-partisan so they are limited in the phraseology of their ads.


7 posted on 04/13/2014 1:28:59 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert (She accomplished nothing: should have stayed at home and baked cookies)
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To: Din Maker

They are not cutting enough. If you can oppose someone for office, you can go after them.

You can have really good ads that get the point hammered home without being an ass about it. it’s called making fun of them by their own liberal hypocrisy. you can prove they suck by what they say and do and making them own it. without being an ass.


8 posted on 04/13/2014 1:29:54 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: bigbob
...it’s more effective to link their vote to a universally unpopular program (Obamacare) than to attack a politician who they may like, have given money to in the past, or have benefited from.

I understand what you're saying. Point well taken.
9 posted on 04/13/2014 1:30:25 PM PDT by Din Maker (Rand Paul, Rick Perry endorsed McConnell over Bevin. Neither will ever get my vote in 2016.)
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To: DLfromthedesert

Then at least they need on the soundtrack background the song “Say Goodnight the Party’s Over” singing in the background.


10 posted on 04/13/2014 1:31:10 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Din Maker
Koch Style ad? Just what is that? Is it the lighting, the tone of the announcers voice? They are at least bringing attention to the issue... or is that your problem with the ad?

Everyone has a voice and they just have the money to hold the feet of the left to the heat. Howe about you?
11 posted on 04/13/2014 1:34:03 PM PDT by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS.. We are DOOMED for several generations. . Who cares? Dem's did and voted!)
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To: Secret Agent Man
Then at least they need on the soundtrack background the song “Say Goodnight the Party’s Over” singing in the background. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Now, that's a good idea. (Except the correct lyrics to "THE PARTY'S OVER" are: "Call it a night; the party's over..."
12 posted on 04/13/2014 1:34:57 PM PDT by Din Maker (Rand Paul, Rick Perry endorsed McConnell over Bevin. Neither will ever get my vote in 2016.)
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To: Din Maker
...should it say: "Iowans, don't send Bruce Braley to the United States Senate; send him home."

I think it is for legal reasons, because of the campaign censorship (finance) laws. They can spend money on "issue advocacy" ads, but not endorsing a candidate. Part of the censorship laws which McCain helped the Democrats pass.

13 posted on 04/13/2014 1:36:50 PM PDT by Siegfried X
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To: JSteff

Wow dude.... who pissed you off today that you jump in there and take it out on me? I’m just wondering if the ads would be more effective if they were a little more direct on defeating the candidate than making a phone call. Geesh.... go take care of that sexual frustration.


14 posted on 04/13/2014 1:37:36 PM PDT by Din Maker (Rand Paul, Rick Perry endorsed McConnell over Bevin. Neither will ever get my vote in 2016.)
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To: Din Maker

hmmm thanks i didn’t know htat.

i think they could get away with it b/c it could be referencing any number of things, like the guy being for obamacare, or being for whatever they’re mentioning in the ad, not necessarily boot his ass out of office - though that would be the assumption of many.


15 posted on 04/13/2014 1:38:32 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Din Maker
A better ad would feature Osama Obama saying “if you like your plan,you can keep your plan,Period” and then a newspaper headline appears (preferably from a major Maoist rag...you know the ones) saying “350,000 Californians to lose health coverage by next month”...then,Osama saying “if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor.Period”...
and then a headline “400,000 policyholders in New York given a list of 15 primary care doctors and 23 pediatricians from which to choose”....
16 posted on 04/13/2014 1:50:37 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: Din Maker

If they were not, the left would not be having epileptic fits over them.


17 posted on 04/13/2014 1:58:23 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Din Maker

“...the correct lyrics to “THE PARTY’S OVER” are:
“Call it a night; the party’s over....”
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Well, not exactly...
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As sung by Doris Day in 1956:
The party’s over
It’s time to call it day
They’ve burst your pretty balloon
And taken the moon away
It’s time to wind up
The masquerade
Just make your mind up
The piper must be paid


18 posted on 04/13/2014 2:01:06 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: JSteff; Din Maker

“... Koch Style ad? Just what is that? ...”
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I, too would like to know the answer to that question.
What is a “Koch-Style” ad?

The ad you linked to is short, simple, and to the point.
I like it.


19 posted on 04/13/2014 2:03:14 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Din Maker; mickie; pax_et_bonum; Maine Mariner; seekthetruth
Too often the bright bulbs in the ad agencies overthink, underthink, are artsy-fartsy by nature, sometimes try to be too cute by half in their ideas or think they can sell political campaigns like they sell laundry soap.

They are creative and hard-working types, but stubborn, conceited...and too many are just as isolated from fly-over country folks as the elected representatives they work for. Conservative candidates should shop around and research before they hire an ad agency.

I know all this because I used to work for one!

Leni

20 posted on 04/13/2014 2:04:34 PM PDT by MinuteGal (Our greatness - built upon our freedom - is moral, not material)
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To: Blue Highway

I am pretty sure PACs are limited in their verbiage from advocating for or against candidates. That leaves them with “Tell so and so to...” language, and prohibits “Vote the bastard out because...” ads.


21 posted on 04/13/2014 2:09:31 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Din Maker

It’s crap !!!

It attempts to “Tell” people what to think.

It’s negative, and therefore is in opposition, it has an agenda that is trying to sell something. Something that has an agenda and something that is trying to “sell” me something will be rejected as most people sense this.

I could take that video and reword the narrative in a way that would actually inspire people to the reject the authority of 0bamacare and embrace ones self.


22 posted on 04/13/2014 2:15:43 PM PDT by Zeneta (Thoughts in time and out of season.)
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To: Repeal The 17th

We were discussing the Willie Nelson song: “The Party’s Over”. I loved Doris Day, but I never heard of that song.


23 posted on 04/13/2014 2:16:34 PM PDT by Din Maker (Rand Paul, Rick Perry endorsed McConnell over Bevin. Neither will ever get my vote in 2016.)
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To: Zeneta

It’s negative? Not so sure about that. It’s truthful and factual. But, if it is negative, even though people claim to hate negtive ads, political operatives will tell you: NEGATIVE ADS WORK. (That’s why campaigns and PACs keep running them.)


24 posted on 04/13/2014 2:23:34 PM PDT by Din Maker (Rand Paul, Rick Perry endorsed McConnell over Bevin. Neither will ever get my vote in 2016.)
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To: Din Maker

“...the correct lyrics to “THE PARTY’S OVER” are:
“Call it a night; the party’s over....”
“... We were discussing the Willie Nelson song ...”
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Well, you are still wrong...
Willie Nelson’s song by the name name from 1967:
“Turn Out The Lights, The Party’s Over”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsTAUs_h_uY
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What you never heard Doris Day sing this one?
Doris Day-1956-”The Party’s Over”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV5ynRFzrIM
You must be a young whipper snapper.
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Oh, and then there is this one:
Journey-1981-The Party’s Over”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVTD3c4Ub8s


25 posted on 04/13/2014 2:32:33 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Zeneta

“...I could take that video and reword the narrative
in a way that would actually inspire people...”
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Let’s hear it, then.


26 posted on 04/13/2014 2:34:58 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Din Maker

The ads must be a terrible waste because the Des keep telling us.


27 posted on 04/13/2014 3:23:53 PM PDT by jimfree (In November 2016 my 13 y/o granddaughter will have more quality exec experience than Barack Obama)
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To: jimfree

The ads must be a terrible waste because the Des keep telling us.
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Forgive my ignorance, but, what is “the Des” ?


28 posted on 04/13/2014 4:05:32 PM PDT by Din Maker (Rand Paul, Rick Perry endorsed McConnell over Bevin. Neither will ever get my vote in 2016.)
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To: Din Maker
The Dems keep telling us.
29 posted on 04/15/2014 6:32:23 AM PDT by jimfree (In November 2016 my 13 y/o granddaughter will have more quality exec experience than Barack Obama)
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To: Din Maker
Any sexual frustration you speak of was not even a part of my question, except as created by you in your own mind. In fact look over the replies to me stating that others had the same question.

What is a "Koch style ad"? Please answer that and maybe tell us what it means because others question it also.

And, note that again there was no sexual issue except that which you bring up which probably means you have a sexual frustration issue with your own posting. So if you reply back to this please keep both hands on the keyboard. This may serve to reduce any tension you have,
30 posted on 04/15/2014 6:43:34 PM PDT by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS.. We are DOOMED for several generations. . Who cares? Dem's did and voted!)
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To: JSteff
You jumped in with your snippy comments:

Koch Style ad? Just what is that? Is it the lighting, the tone of the announcers voice? They are at least bringing attention to the issue... or is that your problem with the ad?
Everyone has a voice and they just have the money to hold the feet of the left to the heat. Howe about you?


If you really wanted to know what I meant by a "Koch-style ad", you could have ended your comments after the first seven (7) words. But, to answer your question: A "Koch-style Ad" is the ones that always end with: "Call Senator __________ and tell him/her to stand with the people of (Name of State) and against ObamaCare."
31 posted on 04/15/2014 9:07:46 PM PDT by Din Maker (Rand Paul, Rick Perry endorsed McConnell over Bevin. Neither will ever get my vote in 2016.)
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