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Did 'Nazi' Gunman Single Out Jews for Death in Suburban Kansas City Rampage?
The Jewish Daily Forward ^ | April 13, 2014 | Staff

Posted on 04/13/2014 4:37:43 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

A smirking gunman who reportedly shouted Nazi slogans opened fire at a Jewish community center and an old-age home in a suburb of Kansas City, killing three people.

The gunman, said to be an older man, singled out Jewish victims for death, Rabbi Herbert Mandl, a chaplain with the Overland Park Police Department, told CNN.

“Asking someone if you are Jewish before shooting sounds very much like a hate crime,” Mandl said.

Police said two people were killed at the JCC of Greater Kansas City, where children were auditioning for a musical. Despite Mandl’s assertion, the JCC victims were identified as a churchgoing teenage boy and his grandfather.

Rev. Adam Hamilton shared the tragic news at an evening Palm Sunday service at the United Methodist Church of the Resurrection in Leawood, Kan., the Kansas City Star reported.

“Help us, oh, Lord to grieve as people of hope,” Hamilton told congregants, the paper said.

The third victim, a woman, was shot at Village Shalom, an assisted living facility about a mile away from the JCC.

The victim at the retirement home was an elderly woman who was shot as she walked out of Village Shalom, Mandl said.

Police said two other people were fired upon but not hit.

“It was an act of violence, it’s too early to label it,” said Overland Park Police Chief John Douglass. “We’re investigating it as a (possible) hate crime. We’re investigating it as a criminal act.”

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: aurora; crime; fraiserglenncrossjr; frasierglennmiller; judaism; kansas; kkk; missouri; nazis; westborobaptist; westborodemocrats
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1 posted on 04/13/2014 4:37:43 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

obviously workplace violence


2 posted on 04/13/2014 4:42:15 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“Asking someone if you are Jewish before shooting sounds very much like a hate crime,”

Gee, ya think?

3 posted on 04/13/2014 4:43:28 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: driftdiver

Waiting for them to refer to the shooter as a “Tea Partier.”


4 posted on 04/13/2014 4:44:09 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
A smirking gunman who reportedly shouted Nazi slogans opened fire

These kind of slogans???

"I WORK FOR THE IRS!"

"I SIGNED UP FOR OBAMACARE! IT WAS EASY PEASY!"

"IF THE PEOPLE CANNOT TRUST THEIR GOVERNMENT TO DO THE JOB FOR WHICH IT EXISTS--TO PROTECT THEM AND TO PROMOTE THEIR COMMON WELFARE - ALL ELSE IS LOST"

5 posted on 04/13/2014 4:44:34 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: dfwgator
Did 'Nazi' Gunman Single Out Jews for Death in Suburban Kansas City Rampage?

Gee, I don't know. Let's hang out in the break room for five or six hours and discuss that interesting question.

6 posted on 04/13/2014 4:45:09 PM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I wonder why this man hated Jews?


7 posted on 04/13/2014 4:47:14 PM PDT by umgud
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is what doesn’t make sense..he specifically wanted to know who was Jewish, yet he shot and killed two Methodists..if he was only targeting Jews how come he killed two Methodists


8 posted on 04/13/2014 4:47:17 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: bigheadfred

“WE WILL TAKE THINGS AWAY FROM YOU FOR THE COMMON GOOD.”


9 posted on 04/13/2014 4:47:27 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

On the other hand, players of the “knock-out game” don’t need to ask their victims if they are _______ .


10 posted on 04/13/2014 4:49:11 PM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: dfwgator
“WE WILL TAKE THINGS AWAY FROM YOU FOR THE COMMON GOOD.”

Hillary, is that you? Ok, what have you done with dfwgator? I need to alert the authorities...

5.56mm

11 posted on 04/13/2014 4:49:16 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Outside of war, Shooting someone on purpose is a “hate crime”. What else could it be? A love crime? A crime of apathy?


12 posted on 04/13/2014 4:49:19 PM PDT by Personal Responsibility (I'd use the /S tag but is it really necessary?)
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To: M Kehoe

That’s what I get for being to lazy to cut and paste the post I was responding to.


13 posted on 04/13/2014 4:50:16 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: driftdiver

He killed a CHURCH GOING teenager and his grandfather????/Jews are NOT church going, at least my Jewish family is not church going. VERY WEIRD.....probably BAD REPORTING!


14 posted on 04/13/2014 4:51:10 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Maybe because he was Amish. And the Methodists WERE the real targets.


15 posted on 04/13/2014 4:52:07 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: Sarah Barracuda
This is what doesn’t make sense..he specifically wanted to know who was Jewish, yet he shot and killed two Methodists..if he was only targeting Jews how come he killed two Methodists

The ENTIRE thing sounds like a set-up, no truth in ANY of it whatsoever.

16 posted on 04/13/2014 4:54:11 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Probably asked and fired before waiting for an answer.

Interesting that cops say the perp wasn’t from around there but one of the potential victims said he had seen him there before.

JCCs aren’t known for being too exclusive. They generally have all kinds of facilities and programs that are open to anyone who pays for a membership, and gives discounts or freebies to low-income. Lots of Christians in the neighborhood patronize JCCs.


17 posted on 04/13/2014 4:56:02 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: cloudmountain

Yeah this story doesn’t pass the smell test..he yells out Heil Hitler, which makes everyone think he hates Jews, but we find out two of the victims were Methodist(My condolences to the families of those killed) we hear that he went up to each person and said “Are you a Jew” and if they were they were shot, yet the two victims that died were NOT Jewish(Not sure about the 3rd who was killed at the retirement home) so this story doesn’t make sense


18 posted on 04/13/2014 4:56:35 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Personal Responsibility

Hey. Thanks to Jeb, there are love crimes.


19 posted on 04/13/2014 4:58:28 PM PDT by Crazieman (Are you naive enough to think VOTING will fix this entrenched system?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No he was just repeating the talking points from the democratic party.


20 posted on 04/13/2014 5:24:15 PM PDT by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How disgusting. RIP to the victims.


21 posted on 04/13/2014 5:54:37 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No if they were Jewish, he DIDN’T shoot them


22 posted on 04/13/2014 6:11:37 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: umgud

He liked Jews, he didn’t shoot them if they were Jewish


23 posted on 04/13/2014 6:12:38 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Ann Archy

No the two people he killed were from Church of the Resurrection, our local mega church, Methodist.

The Jewish Community Center in Overland Park has a lot of non-Jewish members.

We don’t hate Jewish people here and we have always intermingled. I grew up swimming at the Jewish Community Center and so did a lot of my Christian friends. I grew up Catholic.


24 posted on 04/13/2014 6:15:06 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

He was exempting Jewish people from his wrath


25 posted on 04/13/2014 6:15:31 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

A Jew would NEVER say “Heil Hitler” so I doubt this guy was Jewish, unless he was setting up an insanity defense.


26 posted on 04/13/2014 6:18:59 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: yldstrk

If he liked Jews he wouldn’t have gone to a Jewish Community Center to shoot people..unless he knew specifically that not everyone there was Jewish, but from what the police said he had no connection to the area and did not know his victims


27 posted on 04/13/2014 6:20:35 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Sarah Barracuda

what makes you believe he said Heil Hitler


28 posted on 04/13/2014 6:24:26 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

One of the members said the shooter was a member

doesn’t mean the dude is a member

or that he is Jewish

is there ever a rhyme or reason for these things


29 posted on 04/13/2014 6:25:58 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

That’s what the reporter who heard it believes he heard the suspect yelling..but I guess it could always be proven wrong


30 posted on 04/13/2014 6:39:45 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Sarah Barracuda

yeah reporters...........


31 posted on 04/13/2014 7:00:49 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

Shooter is apparently a well-known white supremacist.


32 posted on 04/13/2014 7:03:42 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jjotto

uh huh bull

no one knows who it is, reports that he was not from here, then another report that he is a member of the JCC

garbage


33 posted on 04/13/2014 7:10:03 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Ann Archy

Reporter probably doesn’t know the word “synagogue.”

Also, it wouldn’t be weired for a grandfather to be taking a younger teen to Hebrew school or Torah school on a Sunday, based on what I think I know from our Jewish friends.


34 posted on 04/13/2014 7:13:38 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
photo of the freak:


35 posted on 04/13/2014 7:20:47 PM PDT by equalator
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To: equalator

I’m hearing he shouted “Zieg Hiel!” or some such after his arrest.


36 posted on 04/13/2014 7:27:46 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: cloudmountain

It’s very possible the people who were killed said they were Jewish to give someone else a chance to get away. Terrible situations lead people to do things they wouldn’t do in other circumstances.


37 posted on 04/13/2014 7:31:12 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

a nazi that kills Eagle Scout Methodists who sing? Piece of work, that one.


38 posted on 04/13/2014 7:35:20 PM PDT by equalator
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To: MediaMole
It’s very possible the people who were killed said they were Jewish to give someone else a chance to get away. Terrible situations lead people to do things they wouldn’t do in other circumstances.

With the NUT JOB doing the shooting, I don't think ANYONE was safe.
He needs prison forever.

39 posted on 04/13/2014 7:38:25 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Personal Responsibility
Shooting someone on purpose is a “hate crime”.

There's no such thing as a "Hate Crime". A crime is a crime. Whether it is based on hate, rage, or human indifference, is irrelevant.

40 posted on 04/13/2014 7:39:04 PM PDT by 41Thunder (It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.)
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To: equalator

He shot and killed three Jews and missed two others. Who in the hell are you describing?


41 posted on 04/13/2014 7:41:03 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: yldstrk; Sarah Barracuda
yeah reporters........

One thing we can all be sure of is that the MSM and their control will zoom on this tragedy. Any possible agenda driven angle will be used. The target will be the old white male wacko, next, anyone even distantly connected to any conservative ideas will be sought.

We can learn a lesson from the mystery of the flight 370. Theories abound and still no definite information. Cooler heads should prevail here. Again, by now we all know of the "white Hispanic" and the darling child who was shot.

Time will tell.

42 posted on 04/13/2014 8:07:08 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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Well I was changing channels and they were talking about this on CNN, they showed the suspect in the patrol car and you can clearly hear him say “Heil Hitler” so I heard it for myself..what is strange about this whole thing, he killed two Methodists yet he supposedly walked around asking “Are you a Jew” but these two victims were NOT Jewish, maybe he thought they were lying..it takes a particular kind of scum bag to kill a 14 year old kid..may this schmuck burn in hell


43 posted on 04/13/2014 8:26:15 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Sarah Barracuda
Your comment.

.....and you can clearly hear him say "Heil Hitler" so I heard it for myself...

Your point well taken here and thank you for the definite information on the "Heil Hitler" shout. I had thought maybe it was thrown in for effect.

I took a look at a clearer photograph of the suspect being held in custody. I may be wrong, but he looked like he was mentally unbalanced. That does not excuse this wicked unnecessary act by him.

His life is virtually over.

44 posted on 04/13/2014 8:46:36 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: Peter Libra

Yeah I needed to hear it myself since I have no trust in the media..I had no idea they even caught it on tape til I heard it myself and there it was as clear as day..hopefully they do repeat it again so others who did not see it will hear it..the guy is a whack job but he is also a nazi scum so i hope he gets the chair


45 posted on 04/13/2014 9:17:28 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Oh,oh.

Just been identified here on FR. The MSM will make hay out of this one. Former K.K.K Grand Dragon, though has been associated with the Democrat Party.

46 posted on 04/13/2014 9:21:14 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: Yehuda

Could be those that were wounded told the police that is what he said..he obviously hates Jews not sure about the woman who died at the parking lot of the retirement hoke but not sure about what message he could have been sending by killing Methodists unless he believed they were lying..something similar happened here in LA many years ago at the north valley Jewish community center so this brings back memories and as a Jew myself it pains me to know these kind of vile scum want us dead


48 posted on 04/13/2014 10:33:34 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: yldstrk

hehe

Missing a coffee buddy?


50 posted on 04/14/2014 5:04:55 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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