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US angry with Israel's 'neutrality' over Ukrainian crisis
Middle East Monitor ^ | 13 April 14 | Staff

Posted on 04/13/2014 5:31:52 PM PDT by SkyPilot

US officials expressed anger over Israel's policy of "non-interference" with the Russian annexation of the Crimea; Israel's Haaretz newspaper reported.

A US official told the paper that the White House was disappointed with Israel's absence from the UN General Assembly meeting two weeks ago to vote on condemning Russia's military invasion of the Crimea and call to maintain Ukraine's territorial integrity.

"We have been consulting closely on Ukraine not only with our partners and allies around the world. Obviously we are looking to the entire international community to condemn Russia's actions and to support Ukraine, so we were surprised to see that Israel did not join the large majority of countries that voted to support Ukraine's territorial integrity at the United Nations. Israel's justification that it did not attend the meeting due to the Foreign Ministry strike is unacceptable" said the senior US official.

The US official said that Washington is particularly angry with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman's failure to publically support the US position on the crisis.

According to Haaretz the US is especially disappointed with FM Lieberman who equated Israel's relations with the United States to its relations with Russia. Lieberman is reported to have told Channel 9 that Israel has "good and trusting relations with the Americans and the Russians, and our experience has been very positive with both sides". The official said "I do not understand this point of view, which calls for Israel to be dragged into this quagmire".

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: israel; kerry; obama; ukraine; ukrainecrisis
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And you better give the Palestinians the Temple Mount....and stop building houses for your citizens if the Palestinians tell you don't pour concrete in a certain building.....and I DEMAND and apology for what your Defense Minister said about me.....and no one else better mock me or else! And you better give up Jerusalem if the Arab states demand it....and HEY! Why aren't you guys backing us up against with this Ukraine thing?!!

1 posted on 04/13/2014 5:31:52 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: F15Eagle; ExTexasRedhead

ping


2 posted on 04/13/2014 5:32:42 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

The US does not recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital. Israel understands the Russians are now in the same non-recognition boat with the West.

Most of the countries of the world did not take a position. Why single Israel out?


3 posted on 04/13/2014 5:36:45 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: SkyPilot
I hate to say it but,

F the US.

4 posted on 04/13/2014 5:37:28 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: SkyPilot

Russia has many hostages.


5 posted on 04/13/2014 5:37:40 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: SkyPilot
Man oh man, we diss Israel (nearly) every chance we get, and still complain that it doesn't want to piss off another country that is trying to cause it trouble?
6 posted on 04/13/2014 5:38:51 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

We don’t dis Israel...our subversive White house does with the leadership of Satan.


7 posted on 04/13/2014 5:40:52 PM PDT by JamesA (You don't have to be big to stand tall)
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To: SkyPilot
Kerry and Abbas already are planning to slice apart Israel like a Thanksgiving Turkey and we're surprised that we don't have their complete support on our policy to ... to.... what the (@(#@$(@# is our policy on Crimea anyway other than drawing and erasing red lines?
8 posted on 04/13/2014 5:42:00 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Republican amnesty supporters don't care whether their own homes are called mansions or haciendas.)
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To: JamesA

oops, sorry—by “we,” I meant the U.S. State Department and the rest of the Administration.


9 posted on 04/13/2014 5:42:03 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Ed Zachary

Israel sees U.S aligned with pails and Iranians against Israel, and U.S. doing virtually nothing for the Ukraine, and now the U.S wants Israel to poke the bear as well.

Obama Kerry and HRC; the troika of amateur checkers players.


10 posted on 04/13/2014 5:42:53 PM PDT by Yehuda (Search youtube and listen to "Islams Not For Me".)
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To: SkyPilot

Get over it. The US disses Israel every chance it gets.


11 posted on 04/13/2014 5:44:09 PM PDT by realcleanguy
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To: goldstategop; SkyPilot
goldstategop:" Most of the countries of the world did not take a position.
Why single Israel out?"

Because the administration of the USA does not represent the citizens of the USA.
Enough said !

12 posted on 04/13/2014 5:44:35 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

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13 posted on 04/13/2014 5:45:15 PM PDT by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: SkyPilot

And what does the U.S. now propose?

Hopeless and helpless before the Russians; first convincing the Ukranians to give up their military and seek peace with the Russians, only to abandon them to feeble “sanctions,”

Obama and Kerry are hopeless and helpless disasters, reaching back 6 years to the removal of NATO defenses from Poland. Reaching back 6 years to a policy of “we can get along.” Reaching back 3 years to assuring Putin, via Medvedev that “once I am re-elected I can help.”

They can’t solve it now because they have given up so much in the past. Not a penny’s worth of leverage. And here is Sec. Def. Hagel cutting the muscle out of the U.S. Military.

What a bunch of weenies.


14 posted on 04/13/2014 5:49:05 PM PDT by plangent
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To: SkyPilot

Israel is on its own and they know it. They owe the US NOTHING. They hate Obama and he hates them.


15 posted on 04/13/2014 5:52:27 PM PDT by armydawg505
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To: Paladin2
This has to be far and away the most pathetic foreign policy statement I have ever heard coming from the White House. Never in our history have we ever depended on Israel backing us in the UN. Never. It has always been the other way around. Always. Israeli backing in the UN is actually counterproductive. There have been many times where we have specifically asked Israel not to support us so that we could have better success.

For our Executive Branch to now whine about Israel not supporting us in the UN is beyond pitiful. It is the weakest form of idiocy that I have ever witnessed.

16 posted on 04/13/2014 5:56:20 PM PDT by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: Paladin2
I hate to say it but, F the US.

That's really disturbing.

17 posted on 04/13/2014 5:56:54 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: SkyPilot

Why is it Israel’s concern?

Ukrainians weren’t exactly very kind to Jews during the war.


18 posted on 04/13/2014 5:57:26 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Hoodat
For our Executive Branch to now whine about Israel not supporting us in the UN is beyond pitiful. It is the weakest form of idiocy that I have ever witnessed.

Would you say the same if the US does not support Israel in the UN and Netanyahu "whines" about it?

19 posted on 04/13/2014 5:59:20 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: dfwgator

“Why is it Israel’s concern? Ukrainians weren’t exactly very kind to Jews during the war.”

I’d bet that history has a LOT to do with it.


20 posted on 04/13/2014 5:59:59 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: SkyPilot

We won’t even recognize their capital. Why would they help ketchup-face?


21 posted on 04/13/2014 6:08:26 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: SkyPilot

Israel doesn’t owe the US crap at this point.


22 posted on 04/13/2014 6:09:49 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: SkyPilot

Is this another clever satire?


23 posted on 04/13/2014 6:10:53 PM PDT by Usagi_yo (Islamunism = Facism + Islam : Islamunist = someone that adheres to Islamunism.)
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To: Right_in_Virginia
Would you say the same if the US does not support Israel in the UN and Netanyahu "whines" about it?

Please. The US is a superpower, and Netanyahu has never whined about a thing in his life. Other than Israel being the Jewish State, do you have other problems with Israel?
24 posted on 04/13/2014 6:18:57 PM PDT by Tzfat
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To: SkyPilot
US angry with Israel's 'neutrality' over Ukrainian crisis

Who is US black man?

25 posted on 04/13/2014 6:20:07 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Right_in_Virginia

“That’s really disturbing.”

Ya think?


26 posted on 04/13/2014 6:22:40 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")
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To: Tzfat
Please. The US is a superpower, and Netanyahu has never whined about a thing in his life. Other than Israel being the Jewish State, do you have other problems with Israel?

Does your knee hurt when it jerks like that? When did this become a discussion about Israel being a Jewish state?? Stay on topic.

Oh, and for what it's worth ... Netanyahu whines all over the world. But it seems to work for him.

27 posted on 04/13/2014 6:41:41 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Ya think?

Yes, I do. I hope I'm not the only one holding this view.

28 posted on 04/13/2014 6:43:40 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Right_in_Virginia
Would you say the same if the US does not support Israel in the UN and Netanyahu "whines" about it?

It doesn't work that way. Any time the US needs to pass a resolution it introduces, they specifically ask Israel not to support it. Israel support of any resolution will automatically result in dozens of opposing votes.

When we support Israel, we oppose the world. When we need the world's support, we politely ask Israel to abstain.

The fact that this Administration doesn't understand this screams of incompetence and naivete. And now they want to make Israel a scapegoat for their own failure at leadership? This is not the America I was born in.

29 posted on 04/13/2014 6:50:35 PM PDT by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: goldstategop
Why single Israel out?

When your foreign policy is incoherent, and driven by the ideological delusions of a criminally insane president, all sorts of weird things are liable to happen, none of them good.

30 posted on 04/13/2014 7:04:13 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Right_in_Virginia
Would you say the same if the US does not support Israel in the UN and Netanyahu "whines" about it?

Would you say that Israel carries the same weight in world affairs as the US? If not, then your question is irrelevant and frankly rather obtuse.

31 posted on 04/13/2014 7:07:26 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: BerryDingle
Black man??
32 posted on 04/13/2014 7:08:25 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: tcrlaf
Russia wasn't very kind to Jews either, but Israel has no reason to pick a fight with a very large aggressive country that is acting without regard to international boundaries. They are a tiny nation and don't need that kind of trouble. Let's get real.
33 posted on 04/13/2014 7:11:01 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Right_in_Virginia
When did this become a discussion about Israel being a Jewish state?

You brought it up, whether you meant to or not.

Funny. Talk about knee jerks... did you feel a twitch in your right arm on this thread?
34 posted on 04/13/2014 7:19:39 PM PDT by Tzfat
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To: SkyPilot

The United States, otherwise known as C.H.A.O.S.


35 posted on 04/13/2014 7:21:21 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: Tzfat
**When did this become a discussion about Israel being a Jewish state?**

You brought it up, whether you meant to or not.

Nonsense. I did not in any way bring up the "Jewish State" issue. Go away and use your "splatter and see what sticks to the wall" approach to a rational discussion with someone else.

36 posted on 04/13/2014 7:33:43 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: SkyPilot
The official said "I do not understand this point of view, which calls for Israel to be dragged into this quagmire".

This is already an excellent answer in itself. But there are additional reasons. For example, why should Israel side with the loser against the winner? (Whatever you say, Ukraine lost this round, and is standing ready to lose another, all due to internal strife.)

Israel is a small country. It has to choose partners wisely. Russia is huge, and it is friendly, and about 20% of Israel's population speaks Russian. Only an idiot would start making waves against Russia, and only a patented idiot (or Kerry) would think that this could be effective. Israel clearly sees that the USA wants to use Israel as an expendable tool. There is no reason to become involved. The international arena is not much different from the martial arts arena; the weak get beaten up, the strong rise. The international law is only effective to the extent that the signers are willing to honor. If a treaty becomes inconvenient, the country leaves the treaty. It's a very different world out there.

In addition to all that, Israel is located in a very fluid geography. Israel already controls territories that it acquired in a war. It is surrounded by less than friendly states. Additional territories can be acquired in the future from excessively restless neighbors, or from neighbors that become failed states and threaten Israel. Lines on maps are not permanent; they only represent the current situation on the ground. As the situation changes, so do the lines. Believing in anything else is wishful thinking: borders are established by the people, and they can be changed by the people. For example:

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, [...]

37 posted on 04/13/2014 7:33:47 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: Right_in_Virginia
You said, "Would you say the same if the US does not support Israel in the UN and Netanyahu "whines" about it?"

Real rational discussion point there, "Virginia".

Israel is a tiny country. No other leader has been treated publicly like Obama has treated Netanyahu, and still remained an ally. There is no question about who is the more honorable leader, Obama or Netanyahu - but you seem to have chosen sides. Bad choice, "Virginia". When someone claims to be "Right_in..." and chooses Obama over a solid leader like Netanyahu, we can only conclude there is some other issue at work...
38 posted on 04/13/2014 7:46:15 PM PDT by Tzfat
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To: hinckley buzzard
Would you say that Israel carries the same weight in world affairs as the US? If not, then your question is irrelevant and frankly rather obtuse.

No, it's neither irrelevant or obtuse, rather or otherwise.

I have been curious for two decades about why the US considers Israel a "great" geopolitical ally. To date, no one has been able to give a non-emotional answer.

I remain curious.

39 posted on 04/13/2014 7:47:48 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Tzfat
No other leader has been treated publicly like Obama has treated Netanyahu

There's a lot of bad blood on both sides. But in my opinion Netanyahu made a grand strategic blunder during his meeting with Obama when as a guest of the President, in the oval office, Netanyahu publically lectured the President of the United States about the 1967 borders.

Like Obama or hate him, this was a diplomatic mistake for the history books. It set the tone for the next eight years. That Obama hasn't seriously reduced aid to Israel is the unsung miracle.

So, yes, Israel is dissed by this administration. But Israel has not always shown restraint or respect either.

40 posted on 04/13/2014 8:01:38 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Right_in_Virginia

Wrong, Virginia! Out of the gate, hell, before Obama userped the White House, he was saying things about Israel that reporters refused to release to the public, because they knew beyond a doubt that he wouldn’t be elected dog catcher!

The very first meeting with Netanyahu, Obama treated him like dirt and shamed the United States. Nothing Obama has done since has been any better.

So according to you, Netanyahu is at fault? PHHHHHHTTTT!


41 posted on 04/13/2014 8:24:36 PM PDT by Dogbert41 (Up yours NSA !)
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To: Right_in_Virginia

Your choice of Obama over Netanyahu says a lot. Perhaps your theology or ethnicity has trumped whatever you think is your “conservative” perspective.


42 posted on 04/13/2014 8:28:07 PM PDT by Tzfat
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To: SkyPilot

OBAMA is neutral about Israel’s very survival. What does he expect?


43 posted on 04/13/2014 8:34:55 PM PDT by montag813
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To: SkyPilot

I don’t blame Israel. Helping Kerry and Obastard gets them nothing but the back of the hand for their efforts.


44 posted on 04/13/2014 8:43:26 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: SkyPilot

A wait and see game for what the ever evolving King Amabo will will evolve to.


45 posted on 04/13/2014 9:22:15 PM PDT by the_daug
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To: SkyPilot

Tough sh*t for the US; Obama has long since p*ssed away any political capital he may once have had in Israel.


46 posted on 04/14/2014 1:10:16 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Right_in_Virginia; Dogbert41; Tzfat; Yehuda; Nachum; Hoodat; hinckley buzzard; ExTexasRedhead
There's a lot of bad blood on both sides.

This is not a moral equivalency The "bad blood" we have today is the fault of the Muslims. They have reject peace offers, double crossed Israel and US, and broken past treaties like twigs.

I really have no idea as to your beliefs in the truth of scripture, but my world view comes through that lens.

"So the LORD gave Israel all the land he had sworn to give their ancestors, and they took possession of it and settled there."

Joshua 21:43

Netanyahu publically lectured the President of the United States about the 1967 borders.

Netanyahu was betrayed by Obama and set up, and he fought back for Israel and his people. The "1967 borders" issue is the same type of manufactured issue as the "right of return" and the very notion of "Palestinians" in the first place.

From God's perspective, there are no "1967" borders. There is no such thing as the "Palestinians" (they are primarily Jordanians and Syrians and they have their own "homeland") and they cannot return to a land that God did not give them.

The Creator of you and I, the King of the Universe, the One True God, the Alpha and the Omega - declared that these are the borders of His people Israel.

Genesis 15:18
Numbers 34:1-13
Deuteronomy 11:24

God also blesses those that bless Israel, and curses those who curse her.

Obama has acted demonically towards Israel. There is no doubt what he is doing. You speak of foreign aid - which is voted for by Congress in one single package, year after year - for every nation that receives foreign aid. That is the only way to get the entire foreign aid bill through Congress and the White House. It has been this way for decades. Obama was not able to reduce foreign aid to Israel (although I am certain he wanted to), but Obama DID increase aid to the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas by BILLIONS through direct aid and dollars siphoned off from DoD and the State Department.

You defend evil, and you attack that which God defends.

Good luck to you.

47 posted on 04/14/2014 4:03:14 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: All
Breaking News:

Hamas Conquers Temple Mount Dozens of flag waving Hamas activists wrest control of the Mount, Jews not allowed in


48 posted on 04/14/2014 4:22:29 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

Well said. There is an evil that is masked by attempts to look even-handed toward the Arabs who call themselves “Palestinians.” It becomes quite obvious when people start playing on what they think is moral equivalence. Obama isn’t right on anything, so this one should be a no-brainer.


49 posted on 04/14/2014 5:00:11 AM PDT by Tzfat
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To: SkyPilot

It’s not like the US has been particularly supportive of Israels positions in the last 6 years.


50 posted on 04/14/2014 5:20:10 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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