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Ukraine leaders says Kiev 'not against' referendum
Reuters via Yahoo! ^

Posted on 04/14/2014 4:08:30 AM PDT by wetphoenix

KIEV (Reuters) - Ukraine's interim president said on Monday that the Kiev leadership was "not against" a referendum being held on the type of state Ukraine should be and added he was sure it would confirm the wish of the majority for a united, independent country.

The holding of a referendum has been one of the demands of separatist rebels in eastern Ukraine.

Oleksander Turchinov, in televised remarks to a parliamentary committee, added that such a poll could be held at the same time as a presidential election on May 25.

He added that an anti-terrorist operation involving the army would begin in eastern Ukraine, unless rebels laid down their arms, and that the Donbass region "will soon be stabilized".

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: separatism; ukraine

1 posted on 04/14/2014 4:08:31 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

The Kiev Maidan regime seems overconfident. If it really had the upper hand, it would not need to announce a concession up front.

And if the operations in the Donbass bloody its nose - wait for more to follow. Moscow is going to go for the jugular. To the Russians, they face a weak enemy.

Who cannot dislodge them in its own backyard. No it isn’t Crimea - but Russia’s objective is not to occupy Ukraine but to demonstrate to Kiev no solution can happen except on Moscow’s terms.

That will become clear soon enough.


2 posted on 04/14/2014 4:15:03 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

That was no concession; that was PR. Secession will not be an option under the supposed concession.


3 posted on 04/14/2014 4:58:02 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

Prediction: If any such vote took place, the Donbas region would vote heavily for the greatest autonomy, and would be out-voted by those desiring to be taken over by the EU.


4 posted on 04/14/2014 4:59:24 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

Russia would not accept one except on its terms.

That’s why they’re dictating the terms not the other way around.


5 posted on 04/14/2014 5:03:53 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: wetphoenix
He added that an anti-terrorist operation involving the army would begin in eastern Ukraine

If I recall the Army and police were forbidden from interfering with the insurrectionists in Kiev even as they threw firebombs onto the cops. Now that same group is going to kill people that are protesting them. I smell a Globalist/Soros rat.

6 posted on 04/14/2014 5:04:17 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

Almost. George Soros personally ordered the army and police to stand down, so that a hand-picked team from Monsanto could murder 100 globalists, and blame it on the innocent president.


7 posted on 04/14/2014 6:10:03 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Your poor attempts at ridicule are straight out of Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals. Did a Soros front group provide you with a copy?


8 posted on 04/14/2014 6:41:09 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

No, I write the copy for Soros. Only you see through it.


9 posted on 04/14/2014 7:59:11 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: goldstategop
To the Russians, they face a weak enemy.

"You not say Ukraine weak."

10 posted on 04/14/2014 8:03:05 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: 1rudeboy

You’re too funny to write for Soros. You should write for Jimmy Fallon.


11 posted on 04/14/2014 8:06:34 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

Your conspiratorial fantasies defy Occam’s Razor.

And although you probably aren’t aware, your belief in the nefarious Blofeld-esque Soros is rooted in the rantings of Lyndon LaRouche back in the 1980s.


12 posted on 04/14/2014 8:31:13 AM PDT by Corporate Democrat
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To: Corporate Democrat

Is Putin using clandestine funding, “change agents”, and infiltrators in a conspiracy to steal the Eastern parts of Ukraine?


13 posted on 04/14/2014 8:39:56 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

It is too early to say. What I do know:

1)They seized key buildings of all 3 major cities bordering Russia on April 6/7.
2)They are armed.
3)They are calling for Putin to save them from ‘Kiev radicals’.

So, my assumption is that they probably are, although they could be genuine separatists. They did, after all, ransack some armories in the East.

Unlike you, I don’t believe in wildly convoluted conspiracy theories. Not until there is beyond reasonable doubt.


14 posted on 04/14/2014 8:59:04 AM PDT by Corporate Democrat
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To: Corporate Democrat
Unlike you, I don’t believe in wildly convoluted conspiracy theories.

What's so wildly convoluted about Putin using covert funding and infiltrators to help overthrow the government in Ukraine.

15 posted on 04/14/2014 9:03:41 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

Putin is using the Russian Army with no insignia in a foreign country. That’s state sponsored terrorism and an act of war. If you want to play for Team KGB you need to own it all, FRiend.


16 posted on 04/14/2014 9:10:38 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

What’s convoluted is your conspiracy implicating Soros, Nazis, EU, NATO, CIA and the CFR in a plot involving paying huge numbers of protesters and using snipers to shoot said protesters in a plot to destabilize Ukraine and install neo-Nazis as the new government. Because you know, greed. And globalism.


17 posted on 04/14/2014 9:19:15 AM PDT by Corporate Democrat
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To: Corporate Democrat
What’s convoluted is your conspiracy implicating Soros, Nazis, EU, NATO, CIA and the CFR in a plot involving paying huge numbers of protesters and using snipers to shoot said protesters in a plot to destabilize Ukraine and install neo-Nazis as the new government.

But Putin doing the same thing is not a convoluted conspiracy?

18 posted on 04/14/2014 9:22:53 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

Oh yes, and of course the background behind all of those forces collaborating in Ukraine is that they are also all agents of the shadowy NWO organization which plans to bring globalism so that they could usher in world tyranny.

Because, that’s the explanation that requires the least assumptions. Not.


19 posted on 04/14/2014 9:24:41 AM PDT by Corporate Democrat
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To: lodi90
Putin is using the Russian Army with no insignia in a foreign country. That’s state sponsored terrorism and an act of war.

Uncle Scam is using CIA trained and armed Al-Qaeda foreign mercenaries to slaughter Christians and overthrow the goverment in Syria. What do you call that?

20 posted on 04/14/2014 9:25:09 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Corporate Democrat
shadowy NWO organization which plans to bring globalism

The Globalists aren't in the shadows and are very open about their goals. The write books bragging about it. Try reading The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives by Zbigniew Brzezinski. Read about Agenda 21.

But I just wanted to understand where you are coming from. You are saying that its quite believable if Putin attempts to interfere in Ukraine but if someone suggests that the Soviet EU, George Soros, and Uncle Scam is involved then its a wild conspiracy theory.

21 posted on 04/14/2014 9:33:16 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

For one thing, I know that Putin has a clear and obvious motive to cause separatist pro-Russian insurrection in Ukraine. Also, he is acting alone instead of in concert, with the same modus operandi as he actually did use in Crimea.

I don’t see that clear and obvious motive for all these myriad organizations to work together like this in destabilizing Ukraine and installing neo-Nazis. For some fuzzy plan to advance globalism and world tyranny?

Much less clear, and built on a mountain of assumptions unlike the motive of a nationalist Putin.

And that’s just the tip of the iceberg.


22 posted on 04/14/2014 10:23:06 AM PDT by Corporate Democrat
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To: Corporate Democrat
For some fuzzy plan to advance globalism and world tyranny?

Its not a fuzzy plan just one that you are painfully and naively unaware of. And this myriad of organizations have worked closely together for years and have pulled the same stunt in a host of other countries. Look up the Color Revolution and the IMF Riot.

The prize in Ukraine is hundreds of billions in new debt, the breadbasket of Europe, gas pipelines, natural resources, and a geo-strategic advantage against nationalist Russia (The Globalists hate nationalists). It was all laid out in the Grand Chessboard.

Remember that whole crisis blew up when Yanukovych rejected the Soviet EU and the Globalist backed insurrections firebombed the legitimate government out of power. Putin responded to that. And he didn't respond by sulking in a corner.

23 posted on 04/14/2014 12:34:49 PM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

Oh, I’m aware and I’ve looked into it. The problem is that it seems most of the conspiracies you push fail Occam’s Razor spectacularly.

I have yet to see compelling evidence to substantiate the massive assumptions behind the conspiracy viewpoint.

And no, a few pictures and the fact that Soros NGOs operate in the country is not compelling evidence. A book by some Carter adviser or because Woodrow Wilson said the words ‘NWO’, reflect only the opinions of those people.

That Putin would like Eastern Ukraine to secede and join Russia is not disputed by anybody, not even Putin.

The assumption that the NWO exists, and the assumption that the NWO is also actively instigating revolution as part of a nefarious agenda needs some real evidence behind it.


24 posted on 04/14/2014 2:31:38 PM PDT by Corporate Democrat
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