Posted on 04/14/2014 6:04:45 AM PDT by xzins
How much did it cost the taxpayers to get this very short 6 week closure notice put together? How much did it cost the taxpayers to send all those officials out to the Bundy ranch? All that to stamp out one guy and then it didn’t work. Hey, it’s all monopoly money, right?
>> They rotate the actual “free speech zone” daily
Is that adequate notification by govt “notification standards”?
Daily changes seems unreasonable. And what about the “hardship” of demanding web access? Are the daily changes not published in print, or via PBAs? Seems like a 1st Amendment infringement.
And I say this as a FReeper with a generic sounding moniker.
they MIght consider it a FERAL FORD TRUCK!!
I've heard that there are plants here. Some of them post every two months in order to maintain a plausible presence. Those posts are usually congruent with the prevailing world views here. Then, they express the unacceptable couched in terms that ostensibly make it less noxious.
In an open range area, I would be very careful about labeling any bovine as feral.
Thanks for posting that!
the BLM clearly has a far more tenuous grasp of reality than you do
>>What are the laws regarding taking feral cattle in California? <<
Make sure that it does NOT have a shoulder or hip brand on it before you shoot or else you are in for a heap of trouble. A big heap of trouble!
I shall forward this to BLM..
we dont want them to make any mistakes...
http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/about/staff/
Take a look at the backgrounds of the staff of this organization that was deeply involved in the Bundy -BLM confrontation.
I am an east coast cattleman. Very few of my cows ever had a brand.
My understanding is most/all cows in that part of the country carry registered brands if they ever intend to be run on open range.
I think one of the first things an Article V convention should address is the ability of STATES to impeach and recall federal elected officials. The national level US Congressmen and Senators will not do their duty to get these federal bureaucracies under control, reduced or better yet eliminated. We need a way to hold their (federal officials) feet to the fire. We need to be able to recall Senators, Congressmen, Federal Judges etc if they do not uphold the constitution. I think the willpower to reduce the size and overreach of the Federal government is much stronger at the state level, and we have a much greater chance of electing constitutionally responsible officials with some moral courage at the state senator/representative level.
Just as I would have imagined.
They need a brand or else how would we sort them out when there’s a mix of 15 different herds in the stock pens?
also meant for you too .
**They need a brand or else how would we sort them out when there’s a mix of 15 different herds in the stock pens?**
I fully understand that. I come from the land of fences, but also know what open range is.
Side note, how do you keep your stock off the highways?
If by “stock pens” you mean sale barn pens, well it is obvious you nave never been to an east coast livestock sale.
Lickum and stickem.
This is the best explanation I have read on the reason why a person would not want to enter into a contract with the BLM and thus would not pay any grazing fees to them. Offer to pay to the county but not deal with the BLM. I did not write this so if you repost or copy and paste please credit the author.
Written By Kena Lytle Gloeckner
There have been a lot of people criticizing Clive Bundy because he did not pay his grazing fees for 20 years. The public is also probably wondering why so many other cowboys are supporting Mr. Bundy even though they paid their fees and Clive did not. What you people probably do not realize is that on every rancher's grazing permit it says the following: "You are authorized to make grazing use of the lands, under the jurisdiction of the Bureau of Land Management and covered by this grazing permit, upon your acceptance of the terms and conditions of this grazing permit and payment of grazing fees when due."
The "mandatory" terms and conditions go on to list the allotment, the number and kind of livestock to be grazed, when the permit begins and ends, the number of active or suspended AUMs (animal units per month), etc. The terms and conditions also list specific requirements such as where salt or mineral supplements can be located, maximum allowable use of forage levels (40% of annual growth), etc., and include a lot more stringent policies that must be adhered to.
Every rancher must sign this "contract" agreeing to abide by the TERMS AND CONDITIONS before he or she can make payment. In the early 90s, the BLM went on a frenzy and drastically cut almost every rancher's permit because of this desert tortoise issue, even though all of us ranchers knew that cow and desert tortoise had co-existed for a hundred+ years.
As an example, a family friend had his permit cut by 90%. For those of you who are non ranchers, that would be equated to getting your paycheck cut 90%. In 1976 there were approximately 52 ranching permittees in this area of Nevada. Presently, there are 3. Most of these people lost their livelihoods because of the actions of the BLM. Clive Bundy was one of these people who received extremely unfair and unreasonable TERMS AND CONDITIONS. Keep in mind that Mr. Bundy was required to sign this contract before he was allowed to pay. Had Clive signed on the dotted line, he would have, in essence, signed his very livelihood away. And so Mr. Bundy took a stand, not only for himself, but for all of us.
He refused to be destroyed by a tyrannical federal entity and to have his American liberties and freedoms taken away. Also keep in mind that all ranchers financially paid dearly for the forage rights those permits allow - - not rights to the land, but rights to use the forage that grows on that land. Many of these AUMS are water based, meaning that the rancher also has a vested right (state owned, not federal) to the waters that adjoin the lands and allow the livestock to drink.
These water rights were also purchased at a great price. If a rancher cannot show beneficial use of the water (he must have the appropriate number of livestock that drinks and uses that water), then he loses that water right. Usually water rights and forage rights go hand in hand. Contrary to what the BLM is telling you, they NEVER compensate a rancher for the AUMs they take away.
Most times, they tell ranchers that their AUMS are "suspended," but not removed. Unfortunately, my family has thousands of "suspended" AUMs that will probably never be returned.
And so, even though these ranchers throughout the course of a hundred years invested thousands(and perhaps millions) of dollars and sacrificed along the way to obtain these rights through purchase from others, at a whim the government can take everything away with the stroke of a pen. This is the very thing that Clive Bundy singlehandedly took a stand against. Thank you, Clive, from a rancher who considers you a hero.
Written By Kena Lytle Gloeckner
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