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North Texas city awaits word on wastewater re-use
My SanAntonio.com ^ | 13-April-2014 | AP - By BETSY BLANEY

Posted on 04/14/2014 12:18:05 PM PDT by topher

UBBOCK, Texas (AP) — Wichita Falls is so far behind on rainfall that city leaders are asking state regulators for permission to use treated toilet flushes as drinking water.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: desalination; drought; energy; naturalgas; saltwater; texas
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What I don't understand is that Texas has tremendous amounts of Natural Gas. Just set up some De-Salination plants using Natural Gas. Can this be so difficult?

This could be done for Dallas/Fort Worth, San Antonio, Austin, as well as other major Texas cities (and not so major ones).

There would be a cost involved, but Salt Water can be found almost everywhere. When oil/natural gas is drilled for, there are places where there are pockets of Salt Water underground.

Not to mention the Gulf of Mexico...

1 posted on 04/14/2014 12:18:05 PM PDT by topher
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To: thackney

Thoughts?


2 posted on 04/14/2014 12:18:29 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: topher
The following web link has a number of articles on de-salination:

http://www.waterefficiency.net/WE/articles.aspx?taxonomy=Desalination

3 posted on 04/14/2014 12:21:00 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: topher

Cost.


4 posted on 04/14/2014 12:22:29 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: topher

> Thoughts?

Wow. Drinking fecal matter. Its sort of like watching 0bummer give a speech (okay, reading a teleprompter)


5 posted on 04/14/2014 12:23:23 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: topher

I’ll stick to Diet-Pepsi, thank you very much.


6 posted on 04/14/2014 12:25:24 PM PDT by CMailBag
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To: topher
Here are a couple of articles from the "Water Efficiency" webpage:

Desalination Plant Using STW's Technology Is Treating 700,000 Gallons Per Day: STW says technology at West Texas golf course adapted from its oil and gas water reclamation technology can be used for large municipalities and other industries

Turning Gulf waters into drinking water focus of effort: General Land Office, Guadalupe-Blanco River Authority partner for groundbreaking research

7 posted on 04/14/2014 12:25:32 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: topher

Many (maybe most) waste water treatment plants produce potable water. That’s what they are for. They take sewage and make it safe for the environment (which is to say it is safe to drink). I’m sure this is simply a bureaucratic regulatory thing.

In industrial buildings that require a waste treatment plant, the waste water leaving the plants can be drank from the discharge pipes (at least initially). It tastes fine.


8 posted on 04/14/2014 12:26:01 PM PDT by Tenacious 1 (My whimsical litany of satyric prose and avarice pontification of wisdom demonstrates my concinnity.)
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To: jsanders2001
I was asking 'Thackney', who comments on Oil/Gas Industry for his opinion of using Natural Gas to De-Salinate Salt Water -- not for recycling wastewater...

Saltwater can be found underground in places where oil and natural gas are drilled for...

So it is possible to use Texas' vast natural gas reserves to change salt water into fresh water...

9 posted on 04/14/2014 12:28:08 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: jsanders2001; CMailBag

You two are likely drinking treated water every day that came from a waste water treatment plant. That is, unless you drink well water.

Silly FReepers.


10 posted on 04/14/2014 12:28:21 PM PDT by Tenacious 1 (My whimsical litany of satyric prose and avarice pontification of wisdom demonstrates my concinnity.)
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To: topher

The first link at your list:

Carlsbad Desalination Project Wins 2013 Global Water Awards ‘Desalination Deal of the Year’

This will be the largest desalination plant in the western hemisphere. But they don’t even mention the cost.

This is a Billion Dollar plant.
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Desalination-plants-a-pricey-option-if-drought-5239096.php


11 posted on 04/14/2014 12:28:37 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Tenacious 1
An alternative is to take saltwater and change it into freshwater.

There is a cost for the energy plant and the energy, but there is an abundance of saltwater. When one drills for oil/natural gas, the oil companies have to deal with saltwater.

Just boil it (using de-salination process), and one has fresh water...

That is my tangent - start producing fresh water in dry areas using de-salination plants...

12 posted on 04/14/2014 12:31:42 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: topher

Having lived in that dreadful city (Shepherd Air Force Base) the water from the treatment plant will be an improvement. I have never tased or smelled such awful tap water in all my travels. I hope never to return to that place.


13 posted on 04/14/2014 12:33:05 PM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: thackney
If the cost is $1 billion for the plant (building costs), then that is something to consider.

It is the operating costs that are critical.

If you look at what the Obama Administration spends on GREEN NONSENSE, then spending 10 or 15 billion on de-salination is not a bad thing -- at least taxpayers would get something...

The Obama GREEN PROJECTS have basically been flushing money down the toilet and into the pockets of Obama supporters...

14 posted on 04/14/2014 12:35:30 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: Organic Panic

Are we talking about Ubbock?
I’m not familiar with that West Texas town./S


15 posted on 04/14/2014 12:36:22 PM PDT by 9422WMR (: " Tolerance is the virtue of a man who has no convictions".)
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To: Organic Panic
Probably minerals and other junk in the water.

With desalination (changing saltwater to freshwater), one should be able to get good drinking water...

16 posted on 04/14/2014 12:36:59 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: Organic Panic
Probably minerals and other junk in the water.

With desalination (changing saltwater to freshwater), one should be able to get good drinking water...

17 posted on 04/14/2014 12:36:59 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: 9422WMR
If you LOVE UBBOCK then you will LOVE LUBBOCK.

Sometimes when one cuts and pastes, a 'chop' happens.

I chopped something off that I should not have...

18 posted on 04/14/2014 12:38:20 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: topher

Keep in mind a desalination plant does not just produce fresh water.

It also produces a lot of very salty water as well. Not much of a problem if the plant is on the ocean. More of a problem when hundreds of miles from the coast.


19 posted on 04/14/2014 12:38:42 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: topher
There is a cost for the energy plant and the energy, but there is an abundance of saltwater. When one drills for oil/natural gas, the oil companies have to deal with saltwater.

Help me out here. Don't we have de-salination plants aboard nuclear vessels that use salt water for cooling?

I don't know what a de-salination plant costs to build, but if they can use salt water for cooling and capture the steam, viola! Fresh water as a by-product of "capturing" nuclear energy.

I'm sure I have over-simplified it.

20 posted on 04/14/2014 12:39:20 PM PDT by Tenacious 1 (My whimsical litany of satyric prose and avarice pontification of wisdom demonstrates my concinnity.)
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To: topher

More government subsidies are not a good answer.


21 posted on 04/14/2014 12:39:28 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: topher

Pretty ironic from a town that has a fake fresh water waterfall to match its name.


22 posted on 04/14/2014 12:41:09 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: Tenacious 1

I worked a construction job with my pop when I was teenager in the early 90’s.

There was quite a few tomotoe plants growing around the water plant.

My dad told me it was the seeds picked up by seagulls or blown by wind from the processing pools.

I don’t know if he was messing with me @ the time, but it sounded reasonable.

Llama


23 posted on 04/14/2014 12:45:58 PM PDT by guyfromjrz (fresh breath, it speaks for itself.)
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To: topher

Texas has a dry line that starts in East Texas and starts to phase out around Dallas. There, you can see the rich trees. Move west, and by the time you get to west Fort Worth 60 miles away, it is scrubland and dry savannah.
Part of the water shortage is supply - the area had two natural lakes plus the Trinity River 50 years ago. They’ve built a bunch of artificial lakes, but environmentalists stopped several projects to the south and east in the name of wildlife 20 years ago. Now, no new water supply is built but population is still growing.
We had enough water for three million - now there are six million. We can’t build new lakes, we can’t build pipelines to bring it down from Oklahoma, we aren’t allowed to send illegals home and ask others to stop moving in.
On the upside, around a third of the water is used in irrigating laws. Get people to rip out the pretty green laws that work on the East Coast but are water hogs in a dry area formerly known as the Great Desert, we’d have margin. Stop planting all these trees to look like home and mimic Arizona’s xeriscaping, and you have more water for people. Limiting the installation of swimming pools would help.
Recycling waste water for irrigation and, after lots of filtering, people could probably use it. But that shouldn’t be necessary yet.


24 posted on 04/14/2014 12:59:55 PM PDT by tbw2
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I want to rip out my horrible weed infested lawn in North Fort Worth. On a recent trip to Canberra, Australia, which has a similar climate to North Texas, I was impressed by their lack of lawns. Instead they had all different colored gravel with small gardens and rose bushes. It was beautiful and the small flower gardens require much less water.


25 posted on 04/14/2014 1:12:51 PM PDT by heylady (uire much less water)
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To: tbw2
Now, no new water supply is built but population is still growing.

The criminal invaders from Mexico are notorious for recklessly wasting water. During the summer of 2011 drought, a Mexican a few doors down was running a miniature waterspray park for his little ninos and ninas nearly every day. I went down and, shall we say, had a little "talk" with him and set him straight. No more problems from that guy but I'm keeping a careful eye on him and he knows it!

26 posted on 04/14/2014 1:13:10 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: re_nortex

Who pays their water bill?


27 posted on 04/14/2014 1:15:36 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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Who pays their water bill?

As many people living in that house -- typical of Mexicans as Reggie White so correctly pointed out -- my guess is that the "extended" family chip in. That, of course, presumes they even pay it at all. Overall, they just impress me as the deadbeat type.

28 posted on 04/14/2014 1:18:25 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: re_nortex

I know the type


29 posted on 04/14/2014 1:19:14 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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I know the type.

And, sadly, they're legal. In fact the guy is a fourth generation Texan, speaks English just fine but always has that abrasive Mexican music playing when I pass by his house. It's another reason why I favor selective immigration and why merely having citizenship papers isn't sufficient to be a real American. And his kids constantly are on skateboards tearing up the sidewalk.

30 posted on 04/14/2014 1:24:36 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: 9422WMR

Pull out a dern map...it’s a bit south of Marillo...


31 posted on 04/14/2014 1:27:59 PM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: re_nortex; GeronL

If it seems like I’m painting that Mexican fellow in too bad of a light, let me add that during one of our chats (and no, I’m not constantly yelling at him and his kids), he did tell me that voted for Ted Cruz. And more recently, during one of our wide-ranging conversations, he mentioned that he hates Wendy Davis. So, he and his kin do get under my skin in a lot of ways, but he may be redeemable on some things.


32 posted on 04/14/2014 1:29:29 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: re_nortex

That’s good to hear


33 posted on 04/14/2014 1:31:58 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: re_nortex

For 25 billion dollars, Africa could be awash in fresh water. It would create a new global economy, produce massive green areas which could absorb CO2, crops to feed millions and pull millions out of poverty.

There, fixed global warming for under 25 billion. We will spend more than that this year on failed green companies and Obama donors.


34 posted on 04/14/2014 1:33:15 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")
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To: SgtBob
I am not familiar with Marillo. I am from Ouston and we are way south of there.
35 posted on 04/14/2014 1:33:46 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: EQAndyBuzz

The last thing Leftists want is more productive countries, poverty is noble and wealth is evil to them


36 posted on 04/14/2014 1:35:11 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Ditter

You misspelled Yewston.


37 posted on 04/14/2014 1:39:21 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

LOL! Silly me, I screwed up again! :)


38 posted on 04/14/2014 1:41:35 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Just another City that has not stayed with the times and improved the water SYS while using revenue to build a tax base and nothing more. Spend a billion and use eminent domain to build a reservoir. Someone said desalination well WF TX is like 8 to ten hrs to the coast and you’d have to truck it!


39 posted on 04/14/2014 1:45:23 PM PDT by DocJhn
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To: Ditter

Hehehehehehehehe!


40 posted on 04/14/2014 1:52:41 PM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: Tenacious 1
I believe that is true even of the non-nuclear naval vessels.

However, nuclear power plants are very expensive to build.

There is a new method of nuclear technology, but they are much smaller and very inexpensive (the name escapes me).

41 posted on 04/14/2014 1:59:54 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: DocJhn

“Someone said desalination well WF TX is like 8 to ten hrs to the coast and you’d have to truck it!.”

Pipeline. One in for oil and one out for water.


42 posted on 04/14/2014 2:05:01 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")
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To: tbw2

“Get people to rip out the pretty green laws that work on the East Coast but are water hogs in a dry area formerly known as the Great Desert, we’d have margin. Stop planting all these trees to look like home and mimic Arizona’s xeriscaping, and you have more water for people. Limiting the installation of swimming pools would help.”

Your answer is wrong. You correctly list the ways environmentalists have artificially created a shortage. Then you begin to list ways that people must be forced to critically change their life to comply with the shortage they create.
That’s like fighting gang drive by shootings by requiring new houses to install bullet proof windows. You aren’t addressing the actual problem.

That energy would be better spent making the supply what is should be.
Texas doesn’t need more dictatorial rules on how people can live, it needs more freedom.


43 posted on 04/14/2014 2:06:11 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

All it takes is money.

Most folks are not willing to pay oil prices for water.


44 posted on 04/14/2014 2:08:07 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
I would agree.

One could argue Defense spending is a Government Subsidy that provides jobs. But research from DoD has brought many new technologies.

If the government provides money for just building the plants, and the communities must maintain and provide energy, then that is something.

Then there was how the Army Corps of Engineers is involved in many projects on the Mississippi River (Levees and flood control). Is that a government subsidy? Did not the Federal Government spend tons of dollars after Hurricane Katrina to fix things?

But there are examples where the government does things such as the Army Corps of Engineers to provide engineering solutions.

Of course, as in the case of New Orleans, the Army Corps of Engineers is not always on the ball, as the flooding from Hurricane Katrina showed.

But maybe that was more a Louisiana/New Orleans problem than an Army Corps of Engineers.

After Hurricane Katrina, there were big bucks spent on fixing levees and flood control by the federal government.

45 posted on 04/14/2014 2:09:03 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: heylady

Ah yes,, watching children running through the colored gravel in their little bare feet.


46 posted on 04/14/2014 2:09:22 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: re_nortex

You pay his water bill? If you’d have done that to me, id have added another slip and slide that afternoon, just to “set you straight”.


47 posted on 04/14/2014 2:11:49 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino

Yes, that’s why people want lawns: a safe place for their children to play. There’s nothing fun about picking embedded gravel out of a crying child’s knees and hands.


48 posted on 04/14/2014 2:13:23 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: topher

Well as long a “government” inspectors of the quality of the FBI, SEC, BATFE, EPA, etc. are used, why not? Of course, I don’t live in Ubbock (or otherwise referred to as Lubbock).


49 posted on 04/14/2014 2:26:27 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (If His Arrogance knows where his BC is, why did he have to hire someone to Photoshop a new one?)
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To: topher

700,000 gallons is about 450,000 flushes with 1.5 gal toilets. consider how many flushes a person does a day at home and work, about 10-15 roughly. that’s about 30-45,000 peoples’ flushes for a day.

not as much as you’d think but people drink far less water from tap than flush or do laudry with. far more usage is non-drinking - flushing, laundry, showering, cleaning.


50 posted on 04/14/2014 2:35:28 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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