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Bundy ranch dispute with federal land agency draws variety of foot soldiers
Las Vegas Review Journal ^ | April 13, 2014 | By BEN BOTKIN

Posted on 04/14/2014 12:27:02 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

BUNKERVILLE — Cliven Bundy’s fight with the Bureau of Land Management over the federal agency’s roundup of his cattle attracted a diverse group of foot soldiers: fellow ranchers, Las Vegans and militia and patriot groups were among them.

Their battle cry is the U.S. Constitution and liberty. They fear the federal government overstepping its bounds at every turn. This concern, in their view, applies to those from all walks of life, be it a rural Southern Nevada rancher or a militia member from northern Montana.

Ultimately, the Bundy protest — which was defused Saturday when federal land officials agreed to end the weeklong roundup that culminated in a 20-minute standoff between armed protesters and law enforcement officers — became an outlet for those wanting to voice their opinions about government overreach and any perceived infringement of constitutional rights.

Armed militia members wore holstered weapons and mingled with cowboy-hatted ranchers throughout the week. Tents popped up across the landscape and vehicles became temporary bunks as the Bundy ranch, about 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas, turned into a gathering place for traveling pilgrims from across the nation.

“We’re all in this together,” said Rick Lovelien, 50, a militia member from Libby, Mont., with the Montana State Defense Force.

The armed standoff ended, Lovelien said, the way it should have — with the cattle returning to the land.

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TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abuseofpower; banglist; blm; bundy; bundyranch; clivenbundy; govtabuse; liberty; militia; nevada; patriots; rkba; teapartyrebellion; tyranny
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1 posted on 04/14/2014 12:27:02 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

http://www.futurnamics.com/reid_bundyranch.php

try this


2 posted on 04/14/2014 12:32:41 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Jim Robinson
They interviewed some folks from CA who joined in on the Bundy event and the reporter asked, "You are from California"? The man responded, "Yeah, were not all Communist"...

What a honking hoot.

3 posted on 04/14/2014 12:33:24 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Jim Robinson

I’m thinking there are thousands of petty bureaucrats and rent-seekers pissing their pants today. “You mean militias are real?” “I thought we made those up to slam the tea party and the rethuglicans!”


4 posted on 04/14/2014 12:33:27 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: Jim Robinson
Rob Mrowka, a senior scientist with the nonprofit center, said in a statement. "Instead it is allowing a freeloading rancher and armed thugs to seize hundreds of thousands of acres of the people’s land as their own fiefdom."

Consternation to the enemy! The Marxists are NOT happy with this outcome. On the other hand, we Constitutionalists are very happy.

5 posted on 04/14/2014 12:34:19 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: Jim Robinson

Bundy live on radio now....Saying it’s not over.

AM 1150 S. CA on Hannity.


6 posted on 04/14/2014 12:35:50 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Jim Robinson

Imagine that.

Dang ol’ rednecks.


7 posted on 04/14/2014 12:36:04 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Jim Robinson
Rob Mrowka, a senior scientist with the nonprofit center, said in a statement. "Instead it is allowing a freeloading rancher and armed thugs to seize hundreds of thousands of acres of the people’s land as their own fiefdom."

And notice, it's "the people's land". How delightfully Marxist. Ignores, of course, the Fedgov's unconstitutional usurpation of the right of every state to a republican form of government, and of its own sovereignty. The Feds treat NV like it's a Federal district. Well, it is almost is, sadly enough.

8 posted on 04/14/2014 12:36:39 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: Jim Robinson

And the Second Amendment became flesh.


9 posted on 04/14/2014 12:39:38 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: Jim Robinson

I am proud of everyone who loved our country enough to travel there and make a stand

I am just sorry Bundy decided he didn’t have to follow the laws and chose this way to act.
I hope Bundy’s actions do not diminish the courage and honor of those who showed up.

We know the media and 0dumbo will try to make them look deranged and dangerous


10 posted on 04/14/2014 12:40:27 PM PDT by RWGinger
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To: RWGinger

Selective reporting by the LV paper.


11 posted on 04/14/2014 12:42:00 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: Jim Robinson

The Good Guys won - for now.


12 posted on 04/14/2014 12:43:39 PM PDT by ZULU (STOP JEB BUSH!!!! NO MORE BUSHES!! US OUT OF THE UN AND UN OUT OF US!!)
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To: RWGinger
I am just sorry Bundy decided he didn't have to follow the laws and chose this way to act.

Marbury v. Madison. Unconstitutional laws are null and void.

13 posted on 04/14/2014 12:43:43 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: Jim Robinson
Maybe I'm wandering into tin foil hat territory, but I can't help but wonder if this entire thing my have been organized by the feds to identify those patriots who would be the front-line in a situation such as this, so before some future operation, they can be individually rounded up and detained before they have a chance to organize a resistance.
14 posted on 04/14/2014 12:45:38 PM PDT by apillar
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

selective reporting?
how so?
Bundy doesn’t have the right to decide he won’t pay fees anymore and not expect consequences

Of course 0dumbo and the feds grossly over reacted. I think they did so to get the exact reaction from good patriots that they got.
Good honorable people showing up with guns to defend what they thought was a worthy cause
it was not
and now watch
MSM 0dumbo and dem pols will portray those good patriots as out of control crazed people with guns> Next will come another call for registration of guns
and then we all know what happens next


15 posted on 04/14/2014 12:47:16 PM PDT by RWGinger
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To: RWGinger
I am just sorry Bundy decided he didn't have to flollow the laws and chose this way to act

What kind of fair laws could they be if evry rancher except Bundy was already forced out of ranching the land?

This at a time when the price of beef is skyrocketing because demand exceeds supply. Nobody's mentioned that aspect, have they?

I respectfully disagree with you. I'm glad at least one family had the guts to stand up to an unjust law. There never would've been an American Revolution if patriots hadn't stood up to unjust laws. The slaves never would've been freed. Tne Viet Nam War never would've ended. etc

16 posted on 04/14/2014 12:48:13 PM PDT by grania
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To: backwoods-engineer

What is unconstitutional about the fees the feds were collecting?
I ask because I do not know

That land was federal land before Nevada became a state


17 posted on 04/14/2014 12:49:00 PM PDT by RWGinger
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To: RWGinger

The real story is the Reid family and the Red Chinese.
THAT selective reporting.

The LV paper’s story is a second day, PM lead.


18 posted on 04/14/2014 12:50:10 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Who is the militia? It is every able bodied citizen of the US. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/311


19 posted on 04/14/2014 12:51:04 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: backwoods-engineer

Who decided that the BLM was acting unconstitutionally? Not the courts, Bundy has lost all of his court battles.


20 posted on 04/14/2014 12:51:56 PM PDT by Lou Budvis
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To: apillar

I agree and will go one further, most of America doesnt understand what is going on out there but through 20 second news clips. Think this isnt an effort to show the ignorant public those crazy bitter clinger conservatives are at it again? Think this isnt an image the media is praying carries the day come election time? You can count on it.


21 posted on 04/14/2014 12:52:47 PM PDT by Jarhead9297
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To: grania

Do not confuse ‘fair’ with laws
for now, fair or not they are laws
were they unfair when beef prices were low and he still didn’t pay?
those laws have been the law and he has not paid for over 20 years

I am just saying I think this was orchestrated and bundy played right into it
and in the process he duped a lot of good patriotic people


22 posted on 04/14/2014 12:53:16 PM PDT by RWGinger
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I see your point and you are right
BUT that doesn’t change how Bundy recated
or how the good people who showed up to defend what they thought was a righteous cause, how those good people will be portrayed by BO Reid and the media


23 posted on 04/14/2014 12:55:21 PM PDT by RWGinger
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To: RWGinger
“I am just sorry Bundy decided he didn’t have to follow the laws and chose this way to act.”

That appears to be a matter of opinion. But even if he did, there is plenty of precedence from Washington...

24 posted on 04/14/2014 12:57:22 PM PDT by MRadtke (Light a candle or curse the darkness?)
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To: RWGinger

I listened to him this morning and I have to agree with you. I find restrictions on my CCW such as the inability to carry when I walk my children into school to be an infringement and in direct violation of my 2nd amendment rights but that doesnt mean I can say to hell with it and walk in carrying anyway.


25 posted on 04/14/2014 12:57:38 PM PDT by Jarhead9297
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To: backwoods-engineer

> Consternation to the enemy! The Marxists are NOT happy with this outcome. On the other hand, we Constitutionalists are very happy.

Never rest and always be vigilant because if there one thing I know from working with the government is that are most likely laying strategies down right now to attack with a new veangance using subversive tactics. They may even mobilize the fellow Alinskytes and the MSM to show up and use mental manipulation tactics on them to wear them down before driving in a new wave of BLM’ers and DHS brownshirt crews. They should be strategizing for ther return as well and make sure every square inch of that ranch is hooked up to sureillance cameras with backup batteries. The truth and educating the “other peadants” about their methods is how you deal with tyrrany on the lowest levels.


26 posted on 04/14/2014 12:57:52 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Jarhead9297

jar head is correct
Freepers watch MSM ( if you can stomach it ) and see how long it for them to mock the people who showed up
and how long it takes untl some Dem Pol will point to this and say , “ THIS is why we need gun registration. The government people only pulled back because the crazed rednecks were getting ready to shoot”

wait for it. That theme isn’t long in coming


27 posted on 04/14/2014 12:57:56 PM PDT by RWGinger
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To: MRadtke

But even if he did, there is plenty of precedence from Washington...

yes you are right but you also know that doesn’t mean Bundy or you or I can get away with it


28 posted on 04/14/2014 12:59:51 PM PDT by RWGinger
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To: RWGinger

Why isn’t the federal government paying taxes to the Indians they stole it from?


29 posted on 04/14/2014 1:00:48 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Lou Budvis

> Who decided that the BLM was acting unconstitutionally? Not the courts, Bundy has lost all of his court battles.

Sorta like trying to win a hand of poker with a sleight of hand magician is’n’t it?


30 posted on 04/14/2014 1:02:45 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Don Corleone

You will notice that ace Nevada reporters, Steve Sebelius, Jon Ralston and John L Smith were all clueless about any hint of Reid involvement in Bundy Ranch or Solar. Castrato choir.

In fact, Sebelius and Ralston actively blackballed my book.


31 posted on 04/14/2014 1:03:21 PM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: jsanders2001

jsa
I know that was sarc

However the use of the word ‘ stole’ is funny since most Indians also stole from other Indians at different points in history.

and I am sure the Indians only wished they could have defeated the whites.


32 posted on 04/14/2014 1:06:05 PM PDT by RWGinger
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“I’m thinking there are thousands of petty bureaucrats and rent-seekers pissing their pants today. “You mean militias are real?” “I thought we made those up to slam the tea party and the rethuglicans!””
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Surprise,Surprise,!
33 posted on 04/14/2014 1:07:21 PM PDT by mongo141 (Revolution ver. 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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To: Jim Robinson

I’m just letting everyone know that I’m gearing up. I have ten times as much info on Reid as anyone. I didn’t have the Rory Solar stuff, but now that I do I’m tying tons of things together.

Don’t know how fast i can compile it all. But my material goes back 25 years and includes commies! Hoorah!


34 posted on 04/14/2014 1:08:20 PM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: RWGinger

So basically you are saying “Don’t anybody take a stand and defy federal overlords because they’ll say bad things about us.”

“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
—Samuel Adams


35 posted on 04/14/2014 1:08:34 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: RWGinger

It was just food for thought. Our current thugocracy seems to think they can lay claim to just about anything and seize it. Sort of reminds me of a Walking Dead episide. Didn’t work out for that guy either...


36 posted on 04/14/2014 1:09:01 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: RWGinger; Eric in the Ozarks
Bundy doesn’t have the right to decide he won’t pay fees anymore and not expect consequences

Cow eating fees???

Why should this producer pay anything to the feds after we paid the feds hundreds of billion to protect our sovereignty and borders, all while they aided and abetted tens of millions from Mexico to trespass on our lands?

Then the feds turn around and force us all to pay literally hundreds of billions more ANNUALLY to support them, feed them, house them, educate and hospitalize them?

Why are we paying hundreds of billions for their fees?

Do you see something terribly wrong here?

37 posted on 04/14/2014 1:10:22 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: apillar

I’m kinda with you on that!

I posted the following to a similar thread yesterday .. no responses.


I hope that this wont brand me forever on FR as a nut-job but I have to ask.

We have a crooked government and one who is trying desperately to take our weapons away.

The nut-job question: Would it be beyond this regime to find folks who have nothing to lose .. disease, mental case (Not like me) 8) or just someone who needs cash to help a loved one out of a serious illness?

They (the government) offer to take care of your loved one’s for the rest of their life if you will do one thing for them.

Now suppose this corrupt government went throughout the country, finding folks in similar situations and paying them off to create havoc everywhere, using all types of arms, just to turn up the heat on weapons control? hmmm?

Just sayin

Nut job conspiracy/>


38 posted on 04/14/2014 1:10:31 PM PDT by stirrinthepuddin
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To: DaxtonBrown

Check for any red dots that keep appearing near your head, mesquitoes or flies that bite you hard on the neck and don’t drive any late model vehicles...until u release that report


39 posted on 04/14/2014 1:12:33 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: bunkerhill7


40 posted on 04/14/2014 1:13:38 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: jsanders2001

Already have taken precautions. But that flickering red dot is annoying.


41 posted on 04/14/2014 1:15:14 PM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: apillar

“............they can be individually rounded up and detained before they have a chance to organize a resistance.”
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The FED’s don’t have that many prison camps built YET, and in any case they just don’t realise yet what they are facing, at least not so far.


42 posted on 04/14/2014 1:15:49 PM PDT by mongo141 (Revolution ver. 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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To: RWGinger
If Bundy had followed the laws and signed the agreement with the BLM he would have been out of business 20 years ago.

The agreement that they wanted him to sign called for him to cut his herd drastically. If he had cut his herd to the level that they demanded, he would have lost his OWNED water rights since not enough livestock would have been using the water.

And that is the reason that so many chose to support him. Do you really think they would have rallied to his defense if he was just a deadbeat?

43 posted on 04/14/2014 1:16:27 PM PDT by Abby4116
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To: jsanders2001

Where is the proof that courts have decided incorrectly against Bundy? I have not seen one bit of legal analysis that says Bundy should’ve won.


44 posted on 04/14/2014 1:16:56 PM PDT by Lou Budvis
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To: Jim Robinson
...Las Vegans...

Spanish speaking vegetarians? < /sarc >

45 posted on 04/14/2014 1:17:33 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

“Who is the militia? It is every able bodied citizen of the US. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/311";
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Correct!


46 posted on 04/14/2014 1:18:16 PM PDT by mongo141 (Revolution ver. 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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To: stirrinthepuddin

Governments have been doing that for thousands of years.


47 posted on 04/14/2014 1:18:24 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: jsanders2001

“Why isn’t the federal government paying taxes to the Indians they stole it from?”
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That’s different! ;-)


48 posted on 04/14/2014 1:22:20 PM PDT by mongo141 (Revolution ver. 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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To: stirrinthepuddin

You say that like its not happening. Personally I think they have a special unit set up to cause or enable shooting to shift the public opinion in their favor. All you have to do is find someone with a propensity to violence with mental health issues then push their buttons (veterans files alone would supply them with plenty of names.), make them think they are crazy be beaming high intensity ultrasonic waves into their skulls, to increaee their pressure. They already have technolofy that they use in stores that beams audio where only you can hear it if you are in one spot. Make sure their life goes to hell in a handbasket by making the lose their jobs, get them charged with a crime they didn’t commit, get their wife to leave them, make it look like someone stole their identity, etc. make sure they own a gun or two then plant thought about killing people in teir skulls or make them sel-destructive and voila - mass murderer.


49 posted on 04/14/2014 1:23:12 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: grania
The law that cut his herd down to 150 cattle would have put him out of business. That was their goal from the beginning. Bundy did the only thing he could to keep his business alive, he ignored the ridiculous BLM laws.
50 posted on 04/14/2014 1:24:06 PM PDT by peeps36 (Save The Tortoise And Kill The People)
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