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Ukraine’s New Government Has Lost Its Grip On East Ukraine
Buzzfeed ^ | 4-14-2014 | Max Seddon

Posted on 04/14/2014 12:39:54 PM PDT by tcrlaf

“The police in Horlivka have gone over to the side of the people.”

At 10:33 Monday morning, Sergei, a freelance cameraman in this sleepy industrial town 30 miles from the eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk, got a call from a blocked number. The man on the line said he was from Russian state television and asked if he could film an angry mob storming the local police station. Unsure what they were talking about — some anti-government activists had protested in Horlivka over the weekend but police held firm and things were now quiet — Sergei, declined.

Two hours later, he realized what they meant. Horlivka’s police station was a wreck, with most of its windows smashed in and several hundred working-class men milling around the lobby and courtyard, many of them wielding wooden sticks and iron batons. The police chief, who initially vowed to hold out to the end, was hospitalized after being beaten; his deputy was taken away in handcuffs to the regional government building in Donetsk, which anti-government protesters have occupied for the last week. Two figures in masks waved the black, blue, and red flag of the provincial separatist movement from the roof to loud cheers from the crowd. A man in fatigues wandered out to address them.

“The police in Horlivka have gone over to the side of the people. They were always with us,” he said. He claimed the officers inside had removed their Ukrainian insignia and replaced them with orange-and-black ribbons, a World War II symbol reappropriated by pro-Russians during Ukraine’s political crisis.

The new government in Kiev seems to have all but lost much of eastern Ukraine. By Monday afternoon, the anti-terrorist operation involving the army that acting President Oleksandr Turchynov announced the night before was nowhere to be seen...

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Russia
KEYWORDS: civilwar; russia; ukraine
The country is fracturing quickly under the coup government.
1 posted on 04/14/2014 12:39:54 PM PDT by tcrlaf
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To: tcrlaf

“Interior Minister Arsen Avakov has effectively admitted losing control over Ukraine’s Russian-speaking southeastern promises by announcing the formation of special battalions of “patriots” intended to replace them.”


2 posted on 04/14/2014 12:41:15 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: tcrlaf

Only the Russians can save them, now. /s


3 posted on 04/14/2014 12:41:37 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

They’ve been invaded by the Russian Army. Apparently with the approval of the Germans.


4 posted on 04/14/2014 12:47:35 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: tcrlaf

The Kiev government is not a “coup government” any more than the US government has been a “coup government” since the revolution. The people ousted a tyrant subservient to a neighboring tyrant. The country is not fracturing, a belligerent and malevolent neighbor is purposefully breaking it into pieces using covert and overt military force.

The only difference between Ukraine and early US is that we were next to Canada while they are next to Russia. It is sad how impotent the free world is in the face of naked Russian aggression.


5 posted on 04/14/2014 12:47:37 PM PDT by BurningOak (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2830849/reply?c=1)
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To: 1rudeboy

A few years under the boot of the sodomite Soviet EU the Ukrainians in the Western part are going to beg for the Russians to save them, too. no sarc.


6 posted on 04/14/2014 12:47:40 PM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

I really, really know you want that to be true. But I want the White Sox to win the World Series this year.


7 posted on 04/14/2014 12:49:04 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: BurningOak

Yes, I understand. Everyone is a Russian agent, or a paid troublemaker, and should be gunned down in cold blood,right? Hundreds of thousands of them, even the 80 yr-old ladies, right?

Did I get the Right-Sector/Svoboda propaganda line correct?


8 posted on 04/14/2014 12:53:38 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: BurningOak
The people ousted a tyrant subservient to a neighboring tyrant.

Not really. It was at most a few hundred firebomb throwing, Soros/EU funded neo-Nazis in one city. If they didn't like the tyranny of Russia they are going to love the tyranny of the Soviet EU. The Ukrainians are already being reamed financially and having their guns confiscated. Wait until they a inundated with Third-worlders and Muslims and charged with Hate Crimes if they complain about it.

9 posted on 04/14/2014 1:00:15 PM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto
the sodomite Soviet EU

Wha? Wass that? Mixed Metaphor alert?

10 posted on 04/14/2014 1:05:30 PM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: 1rudeboy
I really, really know you want that to be true.

Which part? Being under the boot of the sodomite EU or the part about Russia saving them? I don't want anyone living under the Globalist EU abomination that is for sure.

11 posted on 04/14/2014 1:07:10 PM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto
A few years under the boot of the sodomite Soviet EU the Ukrainians in the Western part are going to beg for the Russians to save them, too. no sarc.

You have it exactly backwards and that is why Putin is invading now. Putin can't afford a stable and independent Ukraine while he is robbing the Russian people with his kleptocracy.

If you took off your Soros Derangement glasses you might see that.

12 posted on 04/14/2014 1:09:26 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: tcrlaf

The White House on Monday said President Barack Obama would speak to Russian President Vladimir Putin soon, perhaps later in the day, and made clear the United States was not considering lethal aid for Ukraine.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/.premium-1.585598


13 posted on 04/14/2014 1:10:53 PM PDT by McGruff
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To: BurningOak

“The country is not fracturing, a belligerent and malevolent neighbor is purposefully breaking it into pieces using covert and overt military force.”

The “malevolent neighbor” is very good with propaganda and with the big lie that it has attracted the support of a good portion of Europe and America. That is unless, of course, you live in Poland, Estonia, etc. or just value freedom.


14 posted on 04/14/2014 1:17:37 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: tcrlaf

15 posted on 04/14/2014 1:37:59 PM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

Not really. It was at most a few hundred firebomb throwing, Soros/EU funded neo-Nazis in one city.

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How weak does a leader have to be to have to run away from what you describe above.


16 posted on 04/14/2014 1:40:14 PM PDT by dmz
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To: icwhatudo

lol....


17 posted on 04/14/2014 1:41:10 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: icwhatudo

By the way, the Wolfsangel emblem on the Svoboda flag, it was the official emblem of the 2nd SS panzer division that was infamous in Ukraine, and brought its mass murder act to Oradour France.


18 posted on 04/14/2014 1:43:40 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: JimSEA

“it has attracted the support of a good portion of Europe and America.”

Don’t confuse “Support” with an observation of the facts, as available, or trying to devine the truth from the propaganda of both sides.

To the Right-Sector trolls, merely noting what the official Russian line might be, or what the Russian press is saying is “SUPPORTING PUTIN!!!” They don’t try to dispute it, they just scream insults. (with all ID’s arriving at the same time. How odd?)

And there is a LOT more going on here than just a coup, or Putin taking advantage of weakened Ukraine. There is a MUCH larger geo-political game playing out here, that goes back as far as Tunisia, Libya, and Egypt.

I prefer to not wear blinders, thanks...


19 posted on 04/14/2014 1:47:26 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: DesertRhino

IIRC wasn’t that the division that took part in attacking Americans in the Battle of the Bulge?


20 posted on 04/14/2014 1:52:57 PM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: dmz
How weak does a leader have to be to have to run away from what you describe above.

About as weak as Yanukovich :-)

For a polar example look into how the Egyptian strongman, Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, dealt with a similar situation:

During the August 2013 Egyptian raids, the Egyptian military under El-Sisi's command joined with the national police in removing camps of Muslim Brotherhood supporters from sit-ins being held throughout the country. This action resulted in rapidly escalating violence that eventually led to the deaths of 638 people, of whom 595 were civilians and 43 police officers, with at least 3,994 injured.

The end result? El-Sisi is still there, and he is not leaving any time soon. This is what a real strongman does to his opponents. Yanukovich is not even close. And besides, why should an elected President be brave and ruthless? He is not a dictator who fears for his life. Democracy presumes voluntary acceptance of things. It was a good decision to walk away; now the population of Ukraine will figure out who came to power, why, and what should be done about that.

21 posted on 04/14/2014 3:06:40 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: tcrlaf

Just under half of of voters voted for Yanukovich, the president who was overthrown in the coup. Some of the those people are in Crimea and some of those people will tolerate the new, unelected gov’t, but no one should kid himself that there are not a lot of Ukrainians who do not accept the current gov’t as legitimate. These folks are not all Russian agents.

How would Democrats or Republicans in America act if a coup overthrew their president? Many would not accept it and some would get militant.

This is why fomenting a coup was such boneheaded move.

There is no good reason for America to be involved in Ukrainian politics the way it has been. We have no vital interests there. Our policy of pressuring Ukraine into the EU and NATO has no benefits for us, only liabilities.


22 posted on 04/14/2014 3:09:30 PM PDT by Monmouth78
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“There is no good reason for America to be involved in Ukrainian politics the way it has been. We have no vital interests there.”

The “Interest” was to put pressure on Putin, after he embarrassed Obama, and made him look like a fool, in the wake of the Syrian Incident last year.

Remember all of the articles stating that they would “Get Back!” at Putin for that?

Well, as usual, everything the Radical Obamunist Administration touches turns to crap, just like this.


23 posted on 04/14/2014 3:13:56 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: Monmouth78
"Just under half of of voters voted for Yanukovich, the president who was overthrown in the coup. Some of the those people are in Crimea and some of those people will tolerate the new, unelected gov’t, but no one should kid himself that there are not a lot of Ukrainians who do not accept the current gov’t as legitimate. These folks are not all Russian agents. How would Democrats or Republicans in America act if a coup overthrew their president? Many would not accept it and some would get militant. This is why fomenting a coup was such boneheaded move. There is no good reason for America to be involved in Ukrainian politics the way it has been. We have no vital interests there. Our policy of pressuring Ukraine into the EU and NATO has no benefits for us, only liabilities."

You sum it up very nicely but sadly will get the usual "Putinista" "Putin Buttboy" or "Westboro member?" from the usual suspects.

I see no love for Putin in your post, just common sense that sadly many here seem to be lacking on this issue.

24 posted on 04/14/2014 6:10:58 PM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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