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Sowell: Statistical Frauds
Creators Syndicate ^ | April 15, 2014 | Thomas Sowell

Posted on 04/14/2014 12:45:46 PM PDT by jazusamo

The "war on women" political slogan is in fact a war against common sense.

It is a statistical fraud when Barack Obama and other politicians say that women earn only 77 percent of what men earn — and that this is because of discrimination.

It would certainly be discrimination if women were doing the same work as men, for the same number of hours, with the same amount of training and experience, as well as other things being the same. But study after study, over the past several decades, has shown repeatedly that those things are not the same.

Constantly repeating the "77 percent" statistic does not make them the same. It simply takes advantage of many people's ignorance — something that Barack Obama has been very good at doing on many other issues.

What if you compare women and men who are the same on all the relevant characteristics?

First of all, you can seldom do that, because the statistics you would need are not always available for the whole range of occupations and the whole range of differences between women's patterns and men's patterns in the labor market.

Even where relevant statistics are available, careful judgment is required to pick samples of women and men who are truly comparable.

For example, some women are mothers and some men are fathers. But does the fact that they are both parents make them comparable in the labor market? Actually the biggest disparity in incomes is between fathers and mothers. Nor is there anything mysterious about this, when you stop and think about it.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: obama; sowell; thomassowell; waronwomen

1 posted on 04/14/2014 12:45:46 PM PDT by jazusamo
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2 posted on 04/14/2014 12:47:09 PM PDT by jazusamo ([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
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To: jazusamo

What’s the old saying? Lies, Damn Lies & Statistics.


3 posted on 04/14/2014 12:49:32 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: AFreeBird

Liberals I know who talk “statistics” are like a child playing with a live grenade.


4 posted on 04/14/2014 12:57:25 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Cyber Liberty

5 posted on 04/14/2014 1:02:41 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Cyber Liberty

90% of statistics are made up


6 posted on 04/14/2014 1:04:41 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: jazusamo

I can remember when the clerks at the mine where I worked decided they wanted to make at least as much as the underground laborers. The company replied that the clerks could transfer to the mine anytime they wanted. Seeing as how the entry level at the mine were chute tappers who used 16 LB double jacks, scaling bars and metal hooks to break up and force oversized rocks through a grizzly into a raise in hot, dusty conditions, none of the clerks took the company up on the offer. Comparable worth is a very slippery slope.


7 posted on 04/14/2014 1:06:47 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: JimSEA

Management handled that perfectly, they didn’t just say no they gave them the opportunity.


8 posted on 04/14/2014 1:11:41 PM PDT by jazusamo ([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
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9 posted on 04/14/2014 1:12:27 PM PDT by jazusamo ([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
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To: GeronL

LOL!

And, the other 10% are not true!


10 posted on 04/14/2014 1:24:48 PM PDT by Taxman
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To: jazusamo

It worked because it was an honest offer. It made the “aggrieved complainers” take a closer look at what they had.

I’m not belittling clerks, I have never had the where with all to do that sort of a job. I’m slapdash and sloppy with paperwork. I didn’t enjoy my work nearly as much when I went on salary. However, in my case, it paid a lot better.


11 posted on 04/14/2014 1:25:03 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: GeronL
90% of statistics are made up

Yer doin' it wrong: "92.65% of statistics are made up." Always use a whacked out number....

;^)

12 posted on 04/14/2014 1:25:53 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: jazusamo

Place one foot in a bucket of boiling water and the other foot in a bucket of ice water. statistically, you should be comfortable.


13 posted on 04/14/2014 1:29:55 PM PDT by bobo1 (progressives=commies/fascists)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Thanks for the correction


14 posted on 04/14/2014 1:33:17 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: jazusamo

Whenever there is a controversial issue, all the right-wing pundits say exactly the same thing. Every one. We could probably recite it in chorus after the first paragraph. Can somebody come up with something new to say about this?


15 posted on 04/14/2014 3:22:21 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: firebrand

Being a tool of the GOPe and wanting to destroy the conservative/tea/libertarian part of the party, I have no interest in listening to this passe writer.

He lost me with his bitter attacks on Ted Cruz and his conservative supporters and colleagues.

Besides he isn’t saying anything the Tea Party doesn’t say and have posted on their websites.

The Gope itself has been part of the making of these problems. Statistics of big government GOP types were almost as shameful.


16 posted on 04/14/2014 3:43:27 PM PDT by Zenjitsuman (New Boss Nancy Pelosi)
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To: jazusamo

Let’s also compare how many men die on the job or job-related vs women.

As they say, no value on that, as it is “priceless”.


17 posted on 04/14/2014 4:12:20 PM PDT by CincyRichieRich (A government of the people and by the people...)
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To: firebrand
Whenever there is a controversial issue, all the right-wing pundits say exactly the same thing. Every one. We could probably recite it in chorus after the first paragraph. Can somebody come up with something new to say about this?
If the 77 percent statistic was for real, employers would be paying 30 percent more than they had to, every time they hired a man to do a job that a woman could do just as well. Would employers be such fools with their own money? If you think employers don't care about paying 30 percent more than they have to, just go ask your boss for a 30 percent raise!
I think that’s a bit different!

. . . and it puts me in mind of the “minimum wage” theory. Obviously what women need is a law requiring them to demand a 23% raise, and If they can’t get that high a pay, they have to quit.

</sarcasm>


18 posted on 04/14/2014 4:18:01 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion ("Liberalism” is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: CincyRichieRich

Bump.


19 posted on 04/14/2014 4:29:45 PM PDT by jazusamo
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

You have to hire the best person who comes along. No one in their right mind would ever do otherwise. That’s how for-profit businesses work. So sometimes you do pay whatever the person is demanding, just to get the right employee.


20 posted on 04/14/2014 7:37:10 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: jazusamo
It is a statistical fraud when Barack Obama and other politicians say that women earn only 77 percent of what men earn....guy running for the 'rat nomination for governor this year - Wolf - repeats this lie in one of his TV ads - and he's leading in the polls so far - Dems have got to be the dumbest people going....
21 posted on 04/14/2014 9:26:42 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: firebrand
sometimes you do pay whatever the person is demanding, just to get the right employee.
Sure - but not everyone. Most people would be pretty uncomfortable trying to get a 20% raise, because someone else told them to.

Put it in context - maybe you just got a raise. Do you feel comfortable demanding 20% more on top of that? Or maybe you just screwed something up at work - do you feel like demanding a 20% raise?


22 posted on 04/15/2014 3:27:39 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion ("Liberalism” is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: firebrand

But even then, there is a limit in their minds. It is like any bargaining. No matter how good one is, employer is going to have a cap on the value of the job itself. Otherwise even the best of us could demand $1 mil and get it.

(And this ignores official budgets.)


23 posted on 04/15/2014 4:52:31 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

True, but the Dems’ argument is that all things considered, the men still end up making more. Our psychological outlook, mostly subconscious, is that men are worth more and deserve more, so they get more.

The problem is, and I wish someone would deal with this from a Republican/conservative perspective, is how do we solve this? A good point might be that there is no way to solve it. Another good point might be that solving it is a worse outcome, because we would have to interfere with a company’s private business decisions. But let’s not just keep heaping the same old tired excuses for it. We’ll get nowhere by denying it.


24 posted on 04/15/2014 7:34:39 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: firebrand

As a woman I call BS and say just let people - that includes bosses - do what they want. No one has to take a job they don’t want. That is the problem with liberals - because their fantasy is that everyone be under their control, they assume that is how everything works - bosses control everyone like slaves, so the employees somehow have no choice. Truth is we do, and it’s about time we started acting like it.


25 posted on 04/15/2014 8:05:38 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Well, sure. That’s the libertarians’ all-purpose argument. You don’t like the idea that the men in your department make more than you do? OK, go home and bake cookies. Or go to engineering school at the age of 50. They are choices in the dictionary definition but in real life they suck.


26 posted on 04/15/2014 8:13:43 AM PDT by firebrand
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