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Down and Out: Single fact explains why black Americans have a hard time climbing the economic ladder
Slate ^ | April 3, 2014 | Jamelle Bouie

Posted on 04/14/2014 9:57:05 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

“We didn’t run from where we grew up. We aren’t afraid to be associated with the people who came up with us.”

That’s Richard Sherman of the Seattle Seahawks writing in defense of his friend, DeSean Jackson, who was cut from the Philadelphia Eagles amid reports of gang ties. Sherman isn’t trying to litigate the allegations or exonerate Jackson—he doesn’t know the details. But he doesn’t think it’s wrong for Jackson to associate with the men from his childhood.

And why would it be? Yes, some of them have criminal records—and for some, that includes gang activity—but leaving home is hard, and the social distance of wealth makes it even harder. As Sherman writes, “In desperate times for people who come from desperate communities, your friends become your family. I wouldn’t expect DeSean to ‘distance himself’ from anybody, as so many people suggest pro athletes ought to do despite having no understanding of what that means.”

I don’t know if Sherman sees it or not—my hunch is that he does—but in a few sentences, he’s put his finger on the pulse of something overlooked in our discussions of poverty and economic mobility as they relate to black Americans: neighborhood. Sherman’s experience of being pulled back to a poor neighborhood, even as he accumulates wealth, is common among blacks.

The difference for ordinary black Americans, as opposed to NFL stars, is that this has been a powerful driver of downward mobility. Just a quick comparison of black and white neighborhoods is enough to illustrate the particular challenges that face black families as they reach for middle class, or try to keep their position....

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: blacks; economy; football; unemployment
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1 posted on 04/14/2014 9:57:05 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Very few Black families visible in interstate rest stops, at least in the northeast. A few truckers, older guys.

I’ve always wondered why.


2 posted on 04/14/2014 10:02:59 PM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I had heard that one of the complaints was that whenever black families got some money, they moved out of the 'hood and thus never served as good role models for the families still there. Apparently, this study says the problem is that they don't move out fast enough to separate themselves and their children from bad influences still there.
3 posted on 04/14/2014 10:05:16 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Republican amnesty supporters don't care whether their own homes are called mansions or haciendas.)
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To: KarlInOhio
if they move to a better neighborhood they are just another person with nobody to impress since everybody in the neighborhood is of the relatively same economic situation(little fish in a big pond) where if they stay in/near the hood they can flash their wealth to their old friends(big fish in a little pond)

gotta flash da cash so to speak...

4 posted on 04/14/2014 10:16:50 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ghetto mindset?


5 posted on 04/14/2014 10:22:44 PM PDT by kaehurowing (FIGHT BULLYING, UNINSTALL FIREFOX)
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To: KarlInOhio

That’s why it’s important to choose your friends wisely. They are more likely to influence you than you are to influence them.


6 posted on 04/14/2014 10:25:01 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Chode
Seventeen Washingtons AND a def tarantula shadow puppet.

Now THAT is as gangsta as it gets!

7 posted on 04/14/2014 10:27:10 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
yup. he bad...
8 posted on 04/14/2014 10:30:46 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

IOWs the only thing holding them back are their own choices.


9 posted on 04/14/2014 10:33:24 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have always been amazed how the Vietnamese came here with nothing back in the 70’s and have become a driving Economic force, at least here in Orange County, CA.

They stuck together as Families, with everyone doing whatever was necessary to improve their lives. They overcame the Language Barrier and they made sure their Children worked hard and got a College Education.

In one Generation they overcame so much, yet we have an entire segment of the Population that has gone the opposite direction the more the Government has tried to “help” them.
The price of Liberal White Guilt knows no bounds.

Failure upon failure, yet we end with an Obama, amazing.


10 posted on 04/14/2014 10:38:30 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Nobody owes you a living, so shut up and get back to work...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Single fact explains why black Americans have a hard time climbing the economic ladder
11 posted on 04/14/2014 10:40:40 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (I never thought anyone could make Jimmy Carter look good in comparison.)
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To: Kickass Conservative

the black family used to be like that til they embraced liberlism in the 60s and self destructed.


12 posted on 04/14/2014 10:46:41 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: Kickass Conservative
That has been my experience with the refugees from Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos. I worried most about the Hmong, but, they have seemed to somehow become overachievers also. Those hillbillies have done a far better job of acclimatizing to a new culture than certain other demographics have done. Ahem.
13 posted on 04/14/2014 10:54:59 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (Obama is just the symptom of what is destroying the U.S.)
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To: Michael.SF.

OK, I give up. Sounds like, “[ something ] a bunch of bull.”


14 posted on 04/14/2014 10:58:15 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: dr_lew
He says:"Ah, that's a bunch-a-bull"
15 posted on 04/14/2014 11:00:58 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (I never thought anyone could make Jimmy Carter look good in comparison.)
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To: TigersEye
IOWs the only thing holding them back are their own choices.

The article keeps saying they are "stuck" in violent, crime ridden neighborhoods. You said it better.


16 posted on 04/14/2014 11:03:08 PM PDT by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

An unwillingness to save money seems to be an issue among my acquaintances. The value of a decent savings account or even an emergency fund is difficult to get across. Most will be in a world of hurt in the event of job loss, carrying substantial debt that eats up the majority of their income and then some. That means crashing back down into poverty for many, when the unexpected happens.


17 posted on 04/14/2014 11:05:33 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Kickass Conservative
I have always been amazed how the Vietnamese came here with nothing back in the 70’s and have become a driving Economic force, at least here in Orange County, CA.

I knew a guy in college who came USA in 1976 as a "boat person," at the age of 10 - not knowing any english. 12 years later, he was valedictorian of our graduating class, on his way to Johns Hopkins Medical School.

18 posted on 04/14/2014 11:05:57 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Kickass Conservative

True, true. You know, I’ve never seen a black-run nail salon or doughnut shop. Oh, I’m sure they exist. Somewhere. But I haven’t seen one. Ever. My point, of course, is that Vietnamese are willing to work hard in low-margin, small businesses.


19 posted on 04/14/2014 11:09:53 PM PDT by irishjuggler
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To: gitmo

The article gave a lot of rationales for staying put but they all come down to excuses. Their choices may indeed be difficult but they are still choices.


20 posted on 04/14/2014 11:15:31 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: PGR88

One of my best buds growing up, he literally knew no English. Eventually he tired of people making fun of him at school so he learned English by having his neighbor read the newspaper to him every weekend then he read and spoke the words himself. He eventually became one of the researchers for the Antiques Roadshow.


21 posted on 04/14/2014 11:19:57 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: irishjuggler

You have people who came here with little Education, fleeing Communism and appreciating the Freedoms that most American took for granted.

Entire Families worked in Donut Shops, Dry Cleaners, Sandwich Shops, Nail Salons, you name it. They sacrificed doing menial Labor, even those people who came here with an Education, so their Children would succeed. They pooled their Money and bought Homes, the American Dream. They took care of their own.

I worked at a Check Processing Center for a Major Bank. Most of the Proof Operators were Vietnamese kids, some in High School and some College Students. They showed up on time, never complained and respected their Parents and their Peers. They were Polite and they would never do anything to bring Shame upon their Families. Most were the first in their Families born in the United States.

Ever hear of thousands of Vietnamese American malcontents demonstrating because they think they are owed a Living by the White Man? Didn’t think so.


22 posted on 04/14/2014 11:35:56 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Nobody owes you a living, so shut up and get back to work...)
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To: Kickass Conservative

They all seem to think wealth will just be handed to them.... Like it was to Obama.


23 posted on 04/14/2014 11:47:20 PM PDT by Bullish (You ever notice that liberalism really just amounts to anti-morality?)
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To: Kickass Conservative

I imagine most of those Vietnamese have a very strong family structure.


25 posted on 04/15/2014 2:12:39 AM PDT by expat1000
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To: irishjuggler; Kickass Conservative

in 82/83, a Vietnamese nurse worked the night shift with me. When she got off, she went to the family restaurant to do prep, while her husband went to work.

He had already been up, and hit the wholesale markets for the fresh produce, and delivered it.

When the prep was done, THEN she went home and got some rest, before opening for the dinner trade. The husband came to the restaurant as soon as he was off work, until closing.

The kids helped before and after school.

Another one worked all the extra shifts she could get, and also had a side job. One morning, she was on the phone to her husband, and blew up: “You better get job quick! I’m not supporting you forever! You LAZY!” Asked by another nurse what the matter was, she said, “last week he graduated medical school, AND STILL NOT HAVE JOB! Uses excuse he’s interviewing for internships. WHOLE WEEK AND NO JOB! LAZY!!!”

That was in San Bernardino, and was a far cry from “work ethic” of the local denizens.


26 posted on 04/15/2014 2:40:07 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: Steely Tom

Very few Black families visible in interstate rest stops, at least in the northeast.”

...interesting observation.


27 posted on 04/15/2014 3:18:20 AM PDT by albie
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To: Kickass Conservative

They stuck together as Families, with everyone doing whatever was necessary to improve their lives. They overcame the Language Barrier and they made sure their Children worked hard and got a College Education.
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In the DFW area of TX, there are ‘pockets’ of Vietnamese and Chinese. They pool their communal wealth and help each other to buy houses, stores, restaurants, etc., thereby taking over entire neighborhoods.

As a Manager at a major defense contractor in the ‘90s, I became a friend of a Chinese I.E. Engineer who worked in an adjacent area. He was only about 35, but also had a Masters in Finance.

One day he told me he was leaving the company. His community had selected him to be in control of all of their pooled investments to provide the best gains for all in the community. That was a heavy responsibility and a huge honor.

While the VN and Chinese here are Americanized and get along well with others, they, like all other people, prefer to live among people of the same culture. They are successful.

Imagine if Blacks and Hispanics had the same priorities of financially helping their communities in a similar way by pooling their money to invest in the ‘pockets’ where they choose to live. I know they support each other ethnically and racially, but they could do much better by studying the methods employed by the Asian groups in America, IMO.


28 posted on 04/15/2014 4:24:58 AM PDT by octex
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
... leaving home is hard...

Actually, leaving home is quite easy. I know because I did it myself, as did many of my friends. Apparently it is a little known fact that you can leave and still come back to visit. At points the author talks about this like free will and free choice don't exist.

Many of us are tired of the excuses.

29 posted on 04/15/2014 4:25:49 AM PDT by Senator_Blutarski
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To: RegulatorCountry

I remember the words of some sports agent who represented a number of athletes, many of them black. He said most of them had no concept of saving money and spent every penny they made. Which was why many of them are flat broke shortly after the end of their playing careers.


30 posted on 04/15/2014 4:27:00 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: expat1000

I imagine most of those Vietnamese have a very strong family structure.


Yes, and they knew who their father was too.


31 posted on 04/15/2014 4:30:56 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Kickass Conservative

The people who came here from SE Asia, came here with nothing and were given nothing. They have become very successful.

Others who came here with nothing and were given everything have been conditioned to expect support and there is no urgency to succeed.

so here we are.

hunger is a real motivator.


32 posted on 04/15/2014 4:39:33 AM PDT by Texas resident (The democrat party is now the CPUSA)
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To: albie
As a 25 year resident of Metro Atlanta, the Petri dish of black mobility, I have a few observations. There was a handful of blacks in my somewhat affluent neighborhood. Every foreclosure since 2007, except one, has been black. Every house that has been rented out since 2008 is black. All across the board every family was nice, apparently employed. As a real estate investor and professional observationist, you see what really drives mobility (up and down). It is choices. If a family has the patience and discipline to save, plan and put off gratification - generally they will be OK. If not, Mercedes and Lexus and all, be prepared to pay the consequences. As I tell my kids, life has choices.
33 posted on 04/15/2014 4:40:12 AM PDT by KCengineer ( Speaking the TRUTH)
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To: TigersEye
We don't need a study on this financed by the gov’t...not even a pathetically written article like this sums it up as well as what you wrote. The buck stops with themselves. If they fail—they should look in the mirror like the rest of the world.
34 posted on 04/15/2014 4:42:54 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
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To: KCengineer

But....they need those “status symbols” to show they are better than all of us.


35 posted on 04/15/2014 4:45:00 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
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To: Kickass Conservative

Same with people from India and Pakistan. They live in their stores. Work every shift and never seem to go home. I don’t fault them a bit.


36 posted on 04/15/2014 5:39:00 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
76% of all black babies born today are bastards, therefore less than 24% of black adults that reproduce are married {assuming that unmarried blacks have more than one child}.

There are about 42 million black people of which about 30 million are of "marrying age" times 15% = 4.5 million married blacks or about 2.3 million black families with two parents.

In a nation of 320 million that is .007 or 7 tenths of one percent.

You now can see how few black families there are in America {except on TV commercials, where everyone is married with two perfect children, a middle class home, $160/month family plan for their phones, a Toyota Camry, and a dumb ass white neighbor, that cuts his tree branch off, so that it falls on his black neighbor's car}.

The white neighbor is a member of the NRA, TEA party, KKK, and is very stupid and has no insurance.

37 posted on 04/15/2014 6:22:26 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Exterminate the terrorist savages, everywhere.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There have been a few posts commenting on how Asian families who emigrated here have succeeded so well as compared to native blacks. Left out in the equation, so to speak, is a comparison of IQs in these populations. That would be of great interest, it would seem.


38 posted on 04/15/2014 6:28:15 AM PDT by OldPossum ("It's" is the contraction of "it" and "is"; think about ITS implications.)
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To: KarlInOhio

I live in one of the collar counties of Washington, D.C. From what I can see, when families move out of the inner city, their bad friends come to visit them out here and see an opportunity to make trouble, even if the new suburbanites are nice themselves. There is plenty of gang activity out here in these ostensibly lovely communities.


39 posted on 04/15/2014 6:28:33 AM PDT by ottbmare (the OTTB mare, now a proud Marine Mom)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

With blacks it is always someone else responsible for their general misery.


40 posted on 04/15/2014 6:34:23 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: USS Alaska

The increased number of mixed-race kids has changed the dynamics. The majority of “black” kids here have one white parent. They have a foot in both worlds and they usually choose which one they want to live in. Since there is no black community, they are forced into the other world.
We are raising a generation of dark-skinned white people.


41 posted on 04/15/2014 6:36:52 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Chode
if they move to a better neighborhood they are just another person with nobody to impress since everybody in the neighborhood is of the relatively same economic situation(little fish in a big pond) where if they stay in/near the hood they can flash their wealth to their old friends(big fish in a little pond)

A bigger problem for their new neighbors, is if the teens bring over friends to visit from "the hood" to help them "keep it real".

42 posted on 04/15/2014 6:42:10 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“The single fact that powerfully explains why black Americans have such a hard time climbing the economic ladder”

is 72% of black babies are born to single women, raised in a single parent household. They are on the short end of the stick from the git go. And no government can fix the problem - only the black community can solve the problem, and I don’t believe they realize they have the problem.


43 posted on 04/15/2014 7:01:27 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: TigersEye

“the only thing holding them back are their own choices.”

I think that’s true. They know if they speak and act correctly they’ll be criticized by their black neighbors and colleagues. So they “go ghetto” on purpose. And it seems to be pretty unique to American blacks.

I watch different house-hunting reality shows. The black couples in America speak jive or modified jive, and have amazing entitlement attitudes. The black couples in Canada are like all other couples and if your eyes were closed you’d never be able to identify the race. Of course, this is a generalization, but it’s true most of the time.


44 posted on 04/15/2014 7:01:39 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: elpadre

They also have many of their peers who think achievement is a “white thing”.


45 posted on 04/15/2014 7:02:03 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
Simple answer to the problem.

1. Read this book.
2. Follow his example.

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46 posted on 04/15/2014 7:03:36 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o

Trouble being he represents 0.013 %. It is the vast mass that is the 400 year old disaster.


47 posted on 04/15/2014 7:05:32 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: elpadre

Or care. As long as those cards work at the ATM.


48 posted on 04/15/2014 7:07:39 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
Thank you.

—they should look in the mirror like the rest of the world.

That's it. Everyone sails through life in that boat. The highest born will find themselves in the street, in prison or in a grave if they refuse to be accountable for their actions. The other side of the coin is that anyone can improve their circumstances through discipline and attention to their own actions.

49 posted on 04/15/2014 12:52:13 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: MayflowerMadam

There doesn’t seem to be such a distinct black sub-culture in Britain either even though they also had slavery and they ended slavery there only a few years earlier than the U.S.. I don’t know the reason for that difference.


50 posted on 04/15/2014 1:01:08 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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