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Zbigniew Zings Obama On Ukraine: 'Can't Win Military Conflict by Throwing Pancakes'
NewsBusters ^ | Mark Finkelstein

Posted on 04/15/2014 5:58:33 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest

Q. How do you know when Barack Obama has set a dubious new record for presidential weakness? A. When Jimmy Carter's former top adviser mocks his anemic response to an international crisis.

On today's Morning Joe, Zbigniew Brzezinski argued that the US needs to discuss with Ukraine the provision of defensive weapons in the face of the Russian threat. He then mockingly observed: "the Ukrainians did ask us for help in that regard. Do you know what our answer has been? We offered them prepackaged food for their soldiers. Well, you can't win a military conflict by throwing pancakes at somebody." The laughter on the normally Obama-friendly set should still be ringing in the President's ears. View the video

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2014/04/15/zbigniew-zings-obamas-weakness-ukraine-you-cant-win-military-confl#ixzz2yxXcZOYO

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: barackobama; russia; ukraine; zbigniewbrzezinski

1 posted on 04/15/2014 5:58:33 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: netmilsmom; Behind Liberal Lines; Miss Marple; an amused spectator; Diogenesis; MEG33; PGalt; ...

Gotta hurt Obama to hear the Carter admin mocking his weakness. Ping to Today show list.


2 posted on 04/15/2014 5:59:15 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (FReepmail or ping me to be put on my ping list for criticism of liberal media)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

No wonder Mika wasn’t there this morning. She really would’ve gotten an earful from Valerie Jarrett.


3 posted on 04/15/2014 6:03:13 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (For every Ted Cruz we send to DC, I can endure 2-3 "unviable" candidates that beat incumbents.)
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To: Night Hides Not

One incompetent talking about another. Go away...all of you.


4 posted on 04/15/2014 6:04:52 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: hal ogen

Pancakes and spitballs are cheap, considering the US is broke.


5 posted on 04/15/2014 6:06:02 AM PDT by dforest
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Everybody else is laughing. Who is the humorless schmuck in the upper right?

CC


6 posted on 04/15/2014 6:06:08 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

You should do a story on them yucking it up about the standoff in Nevada at the beginning of the show this morning. I found it in poor taste (I know most of the show is that but this was even more disgusting).


7 posted on 04/15/2014 6:08:22 AM PDT by McGruff
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To: Celtic Conservative
Who is the humorless schmuck in the upper right?

Willie Geist's understudy. They all have such nice hair, and ever so metrosexual. Their names don't matter, they're interchangeable.

8 posted on 04/15/2014 6:10:37 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (For every Ted Cruz we send to DC, I can endure 2-3 "unviable" candidates that beat incumbents.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

hahahahaha

at the same time, it is too folking late

the error was made in 2008 when the doofus administration took down the missile shield in Poland


9 posted on 04/15/2014 6:13:19 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Good morning, Mark.

Off topic, but what do you hear about Joe doing a keynote speech for a NH GOP dinner. MSNBC wouldn't let Ed Schultz do one for Dems a while back. A while back they let Joe get away with making political donations. Is he looking to get fired?

10 posted on 04/15/2014 6:14:21 AM PDT by ken5050 ("One useless man is a shame, two are a law firm, three or more are a Congress".. John Adams)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

You can certainly understand that Zbig would have no love lost for the Russkies.


11 posted on 04/15/2014 6:16:13 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Celtic Conservative
Who is the humorless schmuck in the upper right?

That's Thomas Roberts, the token preening faggot now gracing (and presumably greasing) the corridors at 30 Rock.

He is so bold and manly NBC proudly announced they were sending him to Putin's Russia to cover the homophobic Olympics, but I'll be damned if I saw him on the air (during the ten or so minutes I tuned in, anyway).

But you are right, he is seldom seen smiling or laughing 'cause he so often has something in his mouth.

12 posted on 04/15/2014 6:16:13 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Who’s the (war on) woman in the bottom left?


13 posted on 04/15/2014 6:24:26 AM PDT by nhwingut (This tagline is for lease)
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To: Celtic Conservative

That’s Thomas Roberts, major Obama fanboy, and host of Way Too Early, which precedes Morning Joe.


14 posted on 04/15/2014 6:24:51 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (FReepmail or ping me to be put on my ping list for criticism of liberal media)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Q. How do you know when Barack Obama has set a dubious new record for presidential weakness?
A. When Jimmy Carter's former top adviser mocks his anemic response to an international crisis.

You got that right.

15 posted on 04/15/2014 6:27:44 AM PDT by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: ken5050

Apparently in order to permit him to proceed the NH Republicans lowered the ticket prices to just cover expenses so it wouldn’t be considered a fundraiser. I think Joe is enjoying his moment in the sun but it won’t last long. He knows he’d be lucky to get 1-2% in an actual caucus/primary.


16 posted on 04/15/2014 6:35:53 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (FReepmail or ping me to be put on my ping list for criticism of liberal media)
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To: yldstrk
...the error was made in 2008 when the doofus administration took down the missile shield in Poland...

obama didn't want to antagonize Putin....

17 posted on 04/15/2014 6:36:51 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Thanx for the update..

It's, well...curious that Mia was off the day her dad was on the show

18 posted on 04/15/2014 6:41:38 AM PDT by ken5050 ("One useless man is a shame, two are a law firm, three or more are a Congress".. John Adams)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest; Fightin Whitey

Thank you both. I’m at a disadvantage with the names of some of the newer nattering nabobs because A: I turned my satellite tv off nearly a year ago and strangely have yet to miss it and B: I would only watch the mainstream media if held at gunpoint.


19 posted on 04/15/2014 6:49:28 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

A new standard for failure is now established: it shall, be known as Obamas Throwing Pancakes Moment. That surpasses Carters Malaise.


20 posted on 04/15/2014 6:50:45 AM PDT by lee martell
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To: dforest

Ah, spitballs! Good ol’ Zell!
It just seems that Russia does not understand Kerry’s concept of a global test. Soon Putin will feel the wrath of an international ‘shunning’. (No one is going to take more sanctions seriously during such trying financial times, you know.)
“It’s really 19th century behavior in the 21st century.”- Kerry. You know that stung!!!


21 posted on 04/15/2014 6:58:41 AM PDT by griswold3 ("Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8".)
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To: yldstrk; dfwgator
It doesn't have anything to do with the polish missiles.

There are two issues in play and what was Zbig's role in those issues.

First, funding the political opposition or the civil society NGOs. It was Zbig who was the mover in funding the political opposition in Afghanistan, which led to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. I don't know what role Zbig had in arming the opposition in Afghanistan, but the prime mover in that was east Texas democrat Charlie Wilson(Charlie's War) Then bring that forward to funding the NGOs and political opposition in Ukraine for the Orange Revolution and again to the most recent uprising what was the funding. Keep in mind that Putin cut off the US AID money going to the Russian NGOs and threw Pussy Riot in jail.

The other issue is what commitments were or were not made during the 2 plus 4 German Re-unification treaty negotiations over expanding to the east and/or Ukraine(EU, NATO, US). Gorbachev says the commitments were made, but Robert Zoellick(US negotiator) said no commitments were made. And Zbig was an outspoken supporter of expansion. Amongst the Realists, Zbig and Bob Gates are the most hawkish.

As for premise in the article that Zbig is an advisor to Obama, I don't see that. OTOH, Republican Realists such as Colin Powell, Kissinger, Lugar, Scowcroft, Gates, and Hagel have been.

Its probably not a good idea to escalate over Ukraine. Time is on the side of the west. Its really a demographic conflict in Ukaraine. Younger, urban, and better educated versus older, rural, and less educated.

22 posted on 04/15/2014 7:14:33 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Hoodat; governsleastgovernsbest
From his Wikipedia page:
In August 2007, Brzezinski endorsed Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama. He stated that Obama "recognizes that the challenge is a new face, a new sense of direction, a new definition of America's role in the world"-- also saying, "What makes Obama attractive to me is that he understands that we live in a very different world where we have to relate to a variety of cultures and people." In September 2007 during a speech on the Iraq war, Obama introduced Brzezinski as "one of our most outstanding thinkers"...

So what does he think now? Trying to laugh the record straight?

23 posted on 04/15/2014 7:52:20 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: Albion Wilde
Sounds like a candidate for the Memory Hole.

He who controls the present controls the past. He who controls the past controls the future.

24 posted on 04/15/2014 7:57:01 AM PDT by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: lee martell
A new standard for failure... Obamas Throwing Pancakes Moment.


25 posted on 04/15/2014 7:58:57 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
If Zbigniew Brzezinski is criticing Obama is it certainly not on the ultimate goal:

Zbigniew Brzezinski was President Carter's national security advisor. In his book Between Two Ages: America's Role in the Technetronic Erahe stated

"Marxism represents a further vital and creative stage in the maturing of man's universal vision. Marxism is simultaneously a victory of the external, active man over the inner, passive man and a victory of reason over belief.....Human beings become increasingly manipulable and malleable...Today we are again witnessing the emergence of transnational elites....whose ties cut across national boundaries....The nation-state is gradually yielding its sovereignty....Further progress will require greater American sacrifices. More intensive efforts to shape a new world monetary structure will have to be undertaken
26 posted on 04/15/2014 8:43:15 AM PDT by khelus
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To: Albion Wilde

pinging


27 posted on 04/15/2014 9:48:49 AM PDT by EDINVA
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