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Five killed in mass stabbing at Calgary party
CBC News via Yahoo.ca ^ | 15 April 2014 | CBC

Posted on 04/15/2014 7:11:20 AM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian

A suspect is in custody after five people, all youths in their teens to 20s, died following early-morning stabbings in northwest Calgary.

The stabbings happened around 1:20 a.m. MT on Tuesday at an address in the 100 block of Butler Crescent N.W., police said.

According to neighbours, the youths had been celebrating the last day of university classes with a fire in a home's backyard.

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University students "celebrating" the last day of classes. The location is an older, established neighbourhood near the University of Calgary main campus. Will we now get a knife registry in Canada? The long gun registry wasn't such a great success.
1 posted on 04/15/2014 7:11:20 AM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

I had not heard of this. Amazing story, sad.


2 posted on 04/15/2014 7:12:24 AM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian
Poochie gets a treat...

A male suspect who fled the scene was intercepted by police after about half an hour. He had to be treated for minor injuries because he was bitten by a dog from the police K-9 unit and was taken into custody after his hospital discharge.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/calgary-stabbing-leaves-five-dead/article18000732/

3 posted on 04/15/2014 7:15:40 AM PDT by ConservativeStatement ("World Peace 1.20.09.")
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To: BeadCounter
Of course you hadn't heard about it. The killer used a knife.

Almost as sad as the fact that these young people were killed is the media's level of interest is determined by the method of their murder.

4 posted on 04/15/2014 7:16:28 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

According to some raw video, the perp seems to be a young man of Nubian persuasion.

http://globalnews.ca/news/1271725/five-killed-in-stabbing-at-northwest-home/


5 posted on 04/15/2014 7:17:49 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

There are no words to describe how low such a crime is killing people at a point of vulnerability, knife or otherwise.


6 posted on 04/15/2014 7:22:22 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

But Michael Moore promised us that there are no guns, knives, violence, or unruliness in Canada. I’m flabbergasted, eh.


7 posted on 04/15/2014 7:29:12 AM PDT by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/ - via iPhone from Tokyo.)
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To: skeeter

I keep insisting that people who conceal carry should always have a knife as a twin to their gun. Knives complement handguns exceptionally well, especially inside buildings.

The Tueller Drill is often cited, but this is of an armed police officer *expecting* a knife attack, who still needs more than 21 feet to have an advantage. A civilian, with concealed carry, who is *not* expecting an attack, needs, as a rough guess, 30 feet or more to effectively use their gun this way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill

However, a sheath knife can be very rapidly drawn, and it provides good quality defense within 5 feet, even being aided by the momentum of the attacker.

Soldiers in trenches in World War I quickly figured out that the ideal combination for hand to hand fighting in a trench was a pistol in one hand and a trench knife in the other. And, if you think about it, the corridors and rooms of a building are not very different from a trench with a ceiling.

But it is also a great combination outside, because you may not be aware of a threat until it is close, and discreetly brandishing a knife is an effective counter to an attack without attracting too much attention in case it isn’t.


8 posted on 04/15/2014 7:30:59 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

It’s hard to tell from the raw video since they tried their best to blur out the perp’s features/characteristics.

But I’d say either Nubian or Middle Eastern.


9 posted on 04/15/2014 7:50:01 AM PDT by House Atreides
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

Third mass stabbing in the world in the last several weeks. China, US and now Canada.


10 posted on 04/15/2014 7:52:34 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Good info. Thanks.


11 posted on 04/15/2014 7:56:21 AM PDT by Obadiah (I like Krabby Patties.)
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To: lefty-lie-spy

violent crime rate in Canada is 66% higher per capita than in the US.


12 posted on 04/15/2014 8:31:40 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: House Atreides

...or “Native American”. I think they figure prominently in Canadian social-pathology stats.


13 posted on 04/15/2014 8:46:48 AM PDT by Dagnabitt (Amnesty is Treason. Its agents are Traitors.)
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To: House Atreides

having lived in NW Calgary before and been back last year, it’s not the same as when I was there in the late 90s.

To assume it’s middle eastern type person is a reasonable assumption. However, I hate assuming, I like to know, so I will hold out.

Calgary does have a moslem mayor now and tons of halal stores. I didn’t recognize it anymore last I was there to take kids to the Calgary Zoo. I won’t be going back.


14 posted on 04/15/2014 8:47:14 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: House Atreides

U of C has over 30,000 students and many are from overseas. The Brentwood/Charleswood neighbourhood, where this house is located, is an older, established neighbourhood, where many houses are rented out to students, The U of C and SAIT (Southern Alberta Institute of Technology) have many foreign students. Since Calgary is the centre of the energy business in Canada, many Middle Eastern students attend here to ‘learn’ about the energy business.

A friend, a former instructor in Petroleum Engineering Technology at SAIT, shared with me, how many of the Saudis who attended SAIT fail, or barely pass. They spend almost no time studying, instead partying and shopping. Though not all, many exhibit an attitude of superiority over others. I pity the poor in Saudi, as most who attend these schools are children of the rich.

Of course, it is in the interest of these schools to have foreign students because fees are greater, though such fees, even for foreign students, are generally, much less than US post-secondary schools.


15 posted on 04/15/2014 9:28:59 AM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind but now I see...)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

WTH is going on? This is nuts.


16 posted on 04/15/2014 9:54:45 AM PDT by b4its2late (A Progressive is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian
Not sure if this is true but supposedly here is a pic of the suspect...

calgary stabbing suspect


17 posted on 04/15/2014 10:15:44 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

Thanks. It looks like the man in the news video but Global News obscured his face. By showing his face, Nancy may now find herself looking for a new job.


18 posted on 04/15/2014 10:31:59 AM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind but now I see...)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

Does CPS (in tweet in linked site) stand for Calgary Police Service or Child Protective Service, if you know.


19 posted on 04/15/2014 10:54:13 AM PDT by House Atreides
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian; BeadCounter; ConservativeStatement; skeeter; yefragetuwrabrumuy; ...

The suspect is the son of a 33 year veteran of the Calgary Police Service. How bizarre! All the dead are U of C students from Calgary or Priddis.


20 posted on 04/15/2014 11:45:35 AM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind but now I see...)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

A mass homicide fitting this profile is an odd one, but I can imagine a few circumstances.

1) Hallucinogenic drugs or acute psychotic episode.

2) The group had turned on him and were trying to pin him down for some reason.

3) He had passed out and one of them sexually assaulted him while the others helped.


21 posted on 04/15/2014 1:02:56 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

So sad.


22 posted on 04/15/2014 1:33:56 PM PDT by b4its2late (A Progressive is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

Prayers up.


23 posted on 04/15/2014 1:40:14 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

He has been identified as Matthew de Grood, son of police officer Doug de Grood. Kid had been accepted to law school.


24 posted on 04/15/2014 3:27:46 PM PDT by RedWhiteBlue (Mama tried)
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To: Bulwyf; lefty-lie-spy
Statistics are like politicians, you have to check out what they are REALLY saying. The US and Canada have differing laws, so there is no clear way to compare the two sets of statistics, at least based upon Statistics Canada and FBI statistics.

Checking Wikipedia, it shows the US has a murder rate of 4.7 per 100K population versus 1.6 per 100K population in Canada. It also shows that you are 40% more likely to be robbed in the US, than in Canada (112.9 vs 79.36 per 100K pop).

If you go to the source documents referenced in the Wikipedia article (FBI, Statistics Canada), you will find that on the surface, Canada is a much more violent place, with 1,190.12 violent Criminal Code violations per 100K population versus 386.9 in the US. Again, due to differences in the laws, reporting is different. For example, 'uttering threats' is classified as a 'violent' crime in Canada. The rate of assault in Canada is 678.21 versus 242.3 for aggravated assault in the US meaning, perhaps, you are more likely to be told 'where to go' in Canada, as you are much less likely to catch a bullet for your trouble than in the US. Someone telling someone else 'where to go' may be considered a violent crime in Canada.

Personally, I've walked through many neighbourhoods in Calgary and Edmonton at night and, though I felt a little nervous in some, other than a few smart comments by drunk Natives, I've never had a problem. I can't say that would be the norm if I walked through parts of Detroit at night!

Can anything be drawn from these statistics? Generally, one is more likely to be murdered or robbed in the US, but one is more likely to be assaulted (in one form or another) in Canada.

25 posted on 04/15/2014 3:28:26 PM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind but now I see...)
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To: RedWhiteBlue

Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/matt.degrood?fref=ts


26 posted on 04/15/2014 3:30:31 PM PDT by RedWhiteBlue (Mama tried)
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To: House Atreides

Calgary Police Service.


27 posted on 04/15/2014 3:35:52 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Ramius; 300winmag; IrishCatholic; lookout88; Wpin; spetznaz; Smokin' Joe; HungarianGypsy; neb52; ...

Sword ping!! This time... More of an “edged weapons” ping. But still...


28 posted on 04/15/2014 3:36:51 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian
Checking Wikipedia, it shows the US has a murder rate of 4.7 per 100K population versus 1.6 per 100K population in Canada. It also shows that you are 40% more likely to be robbed in the US, than in Canada (112.9 vs 79.36 per 100K pop).

I once did some calculations, and found that if you subtracted black homicides and Hispanic homicides, the remaining white homicide rate was about what it was in Europe and Canada.

29 posted on 04/15/2014 3:46:06 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: RedWhiteBlue

Last Facebook entry was 22 hours ago, sometime between 6:00PM and 7:00PM yesterday. He wrote, “Dread and the fugitive mind- the world needs a hero.” Weird! The Chief of the CPS said earlier that the suspect brought the knife from work and they are likely to charge him with 1st degree murder.

How does one recognize a demented mind in time to stop them before they hurt others?


30 posted on 04/15/2014 3:55:30 PM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind but now I see...)
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No doubt! Crime rates are higher in ‘projects’ in most countries. With a lot of Jamaicans now living in Toronto, mostly in the ‘projects’, I guess that some of these ‘projects’ are very dangerous for those of us who are ‘melanin challenged’. There is also a much higher incidence of crime among the First Nations people in Canada.


31 posted on 04/15/2014 4:11:22 PM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind but now I see...)
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To: BeadCounter
I had not heard of this.

It was as scarce as the Bundy ranch event on CNN.

Of course as you know, the reason is because this was another mass murder with a simple knife as the weapon.

After all, the leftist and anti Second Amendment liberals use knives too.

The controlling socialist and Communist in our country who've gained power in govenrment want to lay waste to 2nd Amendment.

Broadcasting that mass murder can easily be performed with clubs, knives, speeding cars, fire or hatchets, goes against their endless portrayal of guns being the evil culprit of mass murder.

32 posted on 04/15/2014 5:08:40 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
A civilian, with concealed carry, who is *not* expecting an attack, needs, as a rough guess, 30 feet or more to effectively use their gun this way.

Anyone who is not expecting a knife attack will die. There is no defense against walking by a seemingly friendly person at a party and then getting 10" of steel into your back.

On top of that, 21' is a distance outdoors. There are rarely such distances indoors; houses are a maze of little twisty passages, and the attack can easily come from the room that you just walked by. In most cases the victim will not even know what happened. The killer can lure victims into rooms, thus delaying discovery of his activities.

33 posted on 04/15/2014 5:11:27 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
the perp seems to be a young man of Nubian persuasion.

What's a "Nubian"?

34 posted on 04/15/2014 5:17:58 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Under Reagan spring always arrived on time.....)
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What's a "Nubian"?

Anyone who hasn't been on FR as long as you.

35 posted on 04/15/2014 5:21:09 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

Thak God he didn’t use a GUN or somebody might have been ki... never mind.


36 posted on 04/15/2014 5:21:31 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Black.


37 posted on 04/15/2014 5:25:28 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

This is a very strange story.


38 posted on 04/15/2014 5:30:03 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Squawk 8888

this is a pretty bizarre one. 5 dead in Calgary stabbings.


39 posted on 04/15/2014 5:32:51 PM PDT by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian; Clive; exg; Alberta's Child; albertabound; AntiKev; backhoe; ...
To all- please ping me to Canadian topics.

Canada Ping!

40 posted on 04/15/2014 5:34:49 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (I'd give up chocolate but I'm no quitter)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

You don’t sometimes, it’s why you remain situationally aware and carry.


41 posted on 04/15/2014 5:41:42 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: RedWhiteBlue

Megadeth – Dread And The Fugitive Mind Lyrics

Play Song On Your Computer

Let me introduce myself I’m a social disease .
I’ve come for your wealth leave you on your knees .
No time for feeling sorry, I got here on my own .
I won’t ask for mercy, I choose to walk alone .

What’s yours is mine and what’s mine is mine too .
If you shake my hand better count your fingers .

What if I do get caught? what if there is no judgment? .
If I’m right I lose nothing, if you’re right I lose it all .
I ought to get caught because I’m doing something wicked .
I’m guilty haunted by my fear and the only consequences .
Are dread and the fugitive mind .

You built walls to protect you so no one will infect you .
Pursued by those out there that vanish in thin air .
Come a long way to find what you really left behind .
You don’t know when the end is but it’s coming fast .

What’s yours is mine and what’s mine is mine too .
If you shake my hand better count your fingers .

What if I do get caught? what if there is no judgment? .
If I’m right I lose nothing, if you’re right I lose it all .
I ought to get caught because I’m doing something wicked .
I’m guilty haunted by my fear and the only consequences .
Are dread and the fugitive mind .

Play Song On Your Computer

Songwriters: MUSTAINE, DAVE

Dread And The Fugitive Mind lyrics © EMI Music Publishing


42 posted on 04/15/2014 5:44:06 PM PDT by Wisconsinlady (Is the GOP actually TRYING to lose in 2014 and 2016?)
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To: lefty-lie-spy

So more never heard of The Pig Farm murders or The Highway of Tears?

.


43 posted on 04/15/2014 5:46:08 PM PDT by Mears
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To: Bulwyf

Depends what you carry! A handgun in this country? Not very likely and difficult to get certification. Frankly, I wouldn’t want one, anyway.


44 posted on 04/15/2014 5:51:20 PM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind but now I see...)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian
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Thanks for clearing that up.

45 posted on 04/15/2014 5:52:45 PM PDT by Dartman (CDN PM Stephen Harper may not be perfect, but we don't have to be ashamed or embarassed of him.)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

Each to their own. I own several, then again I’m not Canadian...I’m Albertan.


46 posted on 04/15/2014 5:52:49 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

This is such a horrific tragedy. My first thought was: “this kind of incident doesn’t happen in Calgary’! But obviously it does and it did. There is no place on earth safe from the evil in people’s hearts.

Calgary is a city of 1.1 million people. Here are the homicide stats for the last few years. Calgary is still a safe place to live, considering these are the annual and not monthly counts.

calgary annual homicides
source: CBC Calgary

2008 - 29
2009 - 23
2010 - 14
2011 - 10
2012 - 16
2013 - 22
2014 - 5 (until this morning)

The cumulative homicide rate for this year just doubled today from the stabbing spree. I think the city and its good people are in shock today over this senseless massacre.


47 posted on 04/15/2014 6:04:24 PM PDT by plushaye (God have mercy on us.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Nubian is a milk goat.


48 posted on 04/15/2014 6:09:51 PM PDT by SisterK (behold a pale horse)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

Crime is racial. American Caucasian crime rate is no higher than Canada or Europe.

On the other hand, young black men in the US are about 3% of the population and commit 50% of the murders.


49 posted on 04/15/2014 6:22:48 PM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: Bulwyf
... I’m not Canadian...I’m Albertan.

Then you better ask JimRob to take this off your "About" page!

50 posted on 04/15/2014 6:30:20 PM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind but now I see...)
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