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Just 39% Think Federal Income Tax System Is Fair
Investor's Business Daily ^ | 04/14/2014 | John Merline

Posted on 04/15/2014 7:28:17 AM PDT by IBD editorial writer

As millions of Americans rush to file their federal income tax returns on Tuesday, few will be thinking that the current tax code is the fairest one of all, according to the latest IBD/TIPP survey.

Just 39% of Americans say today's income tax code — which features multiple tax brackets along with myriad deductions and exemptions — is the fairest.

As to what sort of tax system would be more fair, the public hasn't made up its mind. Thirty-six percent say a flat tax is the fairest way to collect income taxes, while 19% would prefer a national sales tax.

However, the survey also found that most (54%) think the amount they pay in taxes is "about right." More than a third (39%) say they're taxed too much, and just 3% say they pay too little in federal income taxes.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.investors.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fairness; incometax; irs; taxcode; taxes

1 posted on 04/15/2014 7:28:17 AM PDT by IBD editorial writer
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To: IBD editorial writer

Not impressed. “Fair” is in the eye of the beholder. Many who think it’s unfair are anti-tax, but many more think it is not progressive enough.


2 posted on 04/15/2014 7:30:44 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: IBD editorial writer

Those polled are the ones who don’t pay any.


3 posted on 04/15/2014 7:31:13 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: IBD editorial writer

That means nearly 40% of those surveyed believe strongly in redistribution of moneys earned. The other 61% are mixed in whether or not redistribution is fair, or to what extent. That’s scary to me.


4 posted on 04/15/2014 7:31:35 AM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (Vote Democrat. Once you're OK with killing babies the rest is easy. <BCC><)
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To: IBD editorial writer

Most of the 39% who think the system is fair probably pay little or no tax.


5 posted on 04/15/2014 7:31:50 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: IBD editorial writer

The 40 percent think it’s fair I guess.


6 posted on 04/15/2014 7:31:58 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: jsanders2001

Those polled who agree that its fair probably don’t pay any...


7 posted on 04/15/2014 7:32:01 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: IBD editorial writer

There’s that number again.........................


8 posted on 04/15/2014 7:33:29 AM PDT by Red Badger (LIberal is an oxymoron......................)
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To: fwdude

Wonder how many who think it is “fair” are benefactors of those who think they pay too much?


9 posted on 04/15/2014 7:33:47 AM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: Farmer Dean

The bottom 40% pay NEGATIVE 9% income tax
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101264757


10 posted on 04/15/2014 7:36:17 AM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: IBD editorial writer

The 39% that gets an EITC, no doubt.


11 posted on 04/15/2014 7:36:28 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The best way to control opposition is to lead it ourselves." -- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin)
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To: Blue Collar Christian
That means nearly 40% of those surveyed believe strongly in redistribution of moneys earned.

Those would be the ones receiving the redistribution.

12 posted on 04/15/2014 7:37:25 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The best way to control opposition is to lead it ourselves." -- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin)
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To: jsanders2001

Those polled are the ones who don’t pay any.”

...Exactly! You can’t possibly get an accurate reading on how people feel about taxes unless you go to the source. The tax payer.


13 posted on 04/15/2014 7:37:30 AM PDT by albie
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To: fwdude

“but many more think it is not progressive enough.”

Right you are. I bet, since about 50% pay no taxes now, at least 50% feel it is not fair because they are paying the taxes while others skate or worse get money above what they were supposed to pay in. Special thanks to GWB or thought more people should be removed from the tax rolls while adding to the EIC.


14 posted on 04/15/2014 7:38:14 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: IBD editorial writer

That 39% who love taxes and government are democrats

democrats are little children,big babies who trust idiots in government to take care of them and to run the civilization. ridiculous , government can’t even run a housing project nor a government school , much less the millions of daily transactions of the free market run by crack professionals working with their own money.government morons take months to approve an action (a permit) etc.. who are government to tell us what we can or can’t do when socialism/government can never even work in the first place?


15 posted on 04/15/2014 7:39:05 AM PDT by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: IBD editorial writer
Is this the same 39% who still approve of 0bama after 5 years of mismanagement?

16 posted on 04/15/2014 7:39:23 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: nascarnation

Let someone else pay,it’s becoming an American sub-culture.


17 posted on 04/15/2014 7:40:09 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Farmer Dean

I just mailed about 5 grand in checks to 3 different taxing entities...grrrrr


18 posted on 04/15/2014 7:41:06 AM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: IBD editorial writer

How many of the 61% think it is too low because they don’t pay it?


19 posted on 04/15/2014 7:41:46 AM PDT by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: nascarnation

We just mailed the Feds a check big enough to pay for a nice vacation.It’s the vacation that Beckie and I can’t afford now,we’re broke.


20 posted on 04/15/2014 7:44:04 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Mouton
Many of the Occuparasite types, who represent many, many more insane leftists, would love to confiscate all income over a certain amount, a 100% marginal tax rate. This is Communism on steroids.
21 posted on 04/15/2014 7:44:51 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: IBD editorial writer

39% must not pay taxes.

Maybe they got the earned income credit.


22 posted on 04/15/2014 7:47:36 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Farmer Dean
We just mailed the Feds a check big enough to pay for a nice vacation.It’s the vacation that Beckie and I can’t afford now,we’re broke.

And I'm sure that you and Beckie are what Ø considers the lavishly "rich," right?

Yeah, I'm an evil "rich," too. Me and my medium 5-figure income.

23 posted on 04/15/2014 7:47:44 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: IBD editorial writer

39%. That would be all the takers, wouldn’t it?


24 posted on 04/15/2014 7:48:27 AM PDT by Old Yeller (In Latin, the word sinister means left. Which is appropriate for left-wingers.)
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To: fwdude

If only my pension and Soc Sec were taxed like hedge fund “carried interest”


25 posted on 04/15/2014 7:50:22 AM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: fwdude
“Occuparasite types....would love to confiscate all income over a certain amount”

Yeah, they can collect mine in lead.

To be clear, my income is never going to be near the 100% confiscation level, but I clearly see why thoughts like this are damaging to any capitalistic country. There is NO WAY to accumulate wealth through work or enterprise in such a system which stiffles innovation and entrapronurism.

26 posted on 04/15/2014 7:51:19 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: Mouton
...my income is never going to be near the 100% confiscation level,...

Don't be surprised if it's set at $80k. I've heard this number bandied around. The Communists-in-our-midst want everyone to have only a "subsistence level" income. Seriously.

27 posted on 04/15/2014 7:54:30 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: jsanders2001

“Those polled are the ones who don’t pay any.”

Bingo!

What would the survey look like if one qualification was used.

That qualification is simple. If you paid Federal Taxes in the past and 2013, you get polled.


28 posted on 04/15/2014 7:57:41 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Herr Obama cannot divert resources from his war on Americans!)
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To: Farmer Dean

I empathize. I don’t know the amount yet, but I’ll find out when I pick up my taxes this afternoon. The biggest checks I write for anything in my life is for taxes.

And I’m not one of “the rich”. But I’m sure the 40% who think the tax system is fair appreciate the money I send in to charge up those EBT cards and Obamaphones while I clip coupons and have a the lowest cell phone plan I can choose.


29 posted on 04/15/2014 8:00:15 AM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: nascarnation

“I just mailed about 5 grand in checks to 3 different taxing entities...grrrrr.”

Living in Californicator land, we know what you mean.

Besides our Federal income taxes, California income taxes are among the highest.

Our property taxes even with Prop 13 would finance a 14-21 day first class cruise in a mini suite.

Our gasoline taxes are among the highest in the nation, and you need a 4 wheel drive with undercarriage protection to drive safely over our pot holes.

Our local sales tax on everything including the all ready taxed gasoline runs from 8% to what ever.

Then, we have fees on our vehicles, boats, even kayaks with a little electric motor.


30 posted on 04/15/2014 8:05:56 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Herr Obama cannot divert resources from his war on Americans!)
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To: LostInBayport

The 40% think you don’t pay enough,their EBT cards never last until the end of the month,and their Obamaphone isn’t good enough.


31 posted on 04/15/2014 8:06:19 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Farmer Dean
We just mailed the Feds a check big enough to pay for a nice vacation.

Ditto here. As much as I hate the income tax, I hate property taxes more. You work hard to pay off your mortgage and you still don't own your home since you have to pay rent to the government.

32 posted on 04/15/2014 8:08:41 AM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Grampa Dave

I’d fell a little better if the OTHER family I’m funding via the fed and state govts would send me a thank you note every now and then.


33 posted on 04/15/2014 8:09:40 AM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: IBD editorial writer
However, the survey also found that most (54%) think the amount they pay in taxes is "about right."

Let's see, something like 49.5% pay 0 or negative income taxes. I assume those think what they pay is "about right." So, that leaves 4.5% that pay income tax that think what they pay is about right. Those are probably the ones paying barely any income tax or think the government is giving them money when they get a refund. Let's do a survey of folks that actually have a positive tax liability and see the results. I'm taxed too much. Even if the dollar value is doable, when I see what it is spent on, any amount I am taxed is obviously too much.

34 posted on 04/15/2014 8:11:06 AM PDT by tnlibertarian (Beat Lamar! And, if that doesn't work, let's defeat him in the primary.)
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To: SVTCobra03

We just paid our property taxes about a month ago,another nice fat check.There are times when I wonder what I’m doing here working like a dog just to support government that disdanes me and welfare people who hate me.


35 posted on 04/15/2014 8:13:56 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: IBD editorial writer

Those who take from others think that the tax system is just. Those who work their a$$es off to pay for the lazy slobs, think it is unfair, unjust, confiscatory, and unworthy of a free society.


36 posted on 04/15/2014 8:19:49 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: fwdude

Don’t be surprised if it’s set at $80k

Like I said, I will send lead.


37 posted on 04/15/2014 8:21:51 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: Grampa Dave

I hear the respirators are coming, the ones that tax breathing in the not too distant future. Frankly, that is the way I feel most days.

Last evening when I shut down for the day, turned on the TV and was greated with an ad for the “smart phone”, the one that comes with 500 minutes air time plus 1000 text messages a month. I thought these were for “emergency” situations. First thing went through my mind was why would someone watching TV on a paid for cable connection (this was an upper tier station) need a free phone for and if it were for emergencies, how many would need this level of service? Just paid my cell bill with the gov fees and probably at least one of them is for this “free” service. I know it is a minor thing but when these minor things are aggragated, they add up to real money for someone who works to get it.


38 posted on 04/15/2014 8:30:27 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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The Brown Clown made 12 times what I made and was in the 20% tax bracket and I was in the 25%! Something stinks!


39 posted on 04/15/2014 8:34:02 AM PDT by Renegade
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To: IBD editorial writer

This “progressive” tax system disincentivizes people from working harder to make more money.

It makes no sense (except to a progressive).


40 posted on 04/15/2014 8:34:19 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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We need a flat tax with one rate for everyone, and no deductions for anything.

Everyone gets a person exemption that would be equal to the federal poverty level, and that's it.

Married, single, 10 dependents or none at all, everyone pays the same flat rate.

Your wife taking a part-time job wouldn't kick you into a higher bracket, her earnings would quite likely be tax free. She would also have that personal exemption up to poverty level, ditto for everyone else in the household.

Since the tax form would be the size of a postcard, each filling one out would be no big deal.

The working poor would have an incentive to earn more because every extra dime would only be taxed at a small percentage that everyone pays.

They wouldn't have to worry about bumping up their earnings and paying taxes on the total amount, that personal exemption would never go away.

41 posted on 04/15/2014 8:43:08 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: IBD editorial writer

This would be a lot smaller issue if the tax bite were itself smaller.


42 posted on 04/15/2014 8:45:55 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Farmer Dean

Ah, Farmer, you’re donating to the Won’s vacation fund. Doesn’t that give you a big whoopee feeling? At least that is better than making mischief in the White House.


43 posted on 04/15/2014 8:47:06 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Mouton

“I hear the respirators are coming, the ones that tax breathing in the not too distant future. Frankly, that is the way I feel most days.”

There are cities/counties in America that tax people for rain run off based on the square foot areas of their roofs. I have heard of cities considering adding a tax on the square ft area of driveways and patios.


44 posted on 04/15/2014 8:47:11 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Herr Obama cannot divert resources from his war on Americans!)
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To: Renegade

“The Brown Clown made 12 times what I made and was in the 20% tax bracket and I was in the 25%! Something stinks!”

If you mean the Golden Oreo, I had the same feeling after figuring out his tax rate on an income 4.5 times ours. Our tax rate was 25 % versus what you posted.


45 posted on 04/15/2014 8:51:28 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Herr Obama cannot divert resources from his war on Americans!)
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To: Grampa Dave

Here’s his full return!

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/image/2013_potus_tax_returns.pdf


46 posted on 04/15/2014 8:54:36 AM PDT by Renegade
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To: Renegade

Not bad for a community organizer and a golfing president.


47 posted on 04/15/2014 9:01:38 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Herr Obama cannot divert resources from his war on Americans!)
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To: IBD editorial writer

Odd how that 40% number keeps popping up for everything pro government?.


48 posted on 04/15/2014 9:48:16 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: fwdude

There’s also people like myself, who feel that money I pay for government gets wasted.


49 posted on 04/15/2014 12:28:10 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
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