Skip to comments.Russian paramilitary leaders in eastern Ukraine caught on tape communicating with Moscow
Posted on 04/15/2014 7:29:10 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
A recording proving that Russia is backing separatists in eastern Ukraine has surfaced online. The SBU (Security Service of Ukraine) taped the operatives, whose code names are "Nose," "Adler," "Shooter" and "Agath," discussing strategy, weapon stockpiles, and requests for reinforcements.
The SBU has identified the number calling the separatists in Ukraine as having a Russian +7 area code.
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This is nothing but a hostile takeover by an chauvinistic Putin. People who cannot see that would have seen Hitler as ...well, as Pat Buchanan sees him.
What did people think would happen when a Soros and sodomite soviet EU backed gang of Neo-Nazis overthrew the legitimate government of Russia's most important neighbor and strategic ally? That Putin would go into a corner and sulk?
The best way to look at this...is comparing it to a WWE-wrestling event. There’s a thousand event ‘talkers’ in town the month before the event. There’s millions spent to hand out uniforms, truckloads of food, cellphones, kid’s toys, etc. Journalists arrive to tell the story the right way...always to slam the Ukraine. It’s an event, and it’s scripted already out on the whiteboard.
Now, I should note this. When it’s over and Ukraine is divided by the river (50-50 split), and the Ukraine-Russians have their side...where exactly will the jobs and industry come from? Will Russia come with charity money for months and years to prop up the new empire? I kinda doubt it. So, three years later...the remaining Ukraine will be sitting there and doing business with Europe and running a profitable situation. These Russian guys will sit there in a decade and question what this internal revolution was all about and why their lives are so lousy as Russian-Ukrainians.
“What did people think would happen when a Soros and sodomite soviet EU backed gang of Neo-Nazis overthrew the legitimate government of Russia’s most important neighbor and strategic ally?”
The neo-NAZIs overthrowing the legitimate government “of Russia’s most important” formerly enslaved client state of the Ukraine is Russia and its totalitarian Putin regime.
Hey, it’s Sorosista ! How are ya ?
Oh, it’s NAZI Putinista. How are ya? You blithering Putinite. Or is it Rasputinite in your case?
Isn't that one of those Russian brides lines?
That doesn't seem to both you, however.
The Russian Federation,
the European countries and
the US and UK
are all co-investors in the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development, to the tune of billions of Euros.
The EBRD website shows several billion euros invested in Ukraine.
This whole situation is a partnership squabble due to the West not being sure to guarantee Russia’s port before they manipulated Ukrainian politics over the past 20 years in order to annex Ukraine into the EU.
The US State Department (Victoria Nuland, on youtube) brags that it has spent $5 billion on “helping Ukraine realize its European aspirations”.
The minions of the financial elites certainly do come up with the most creative euphemisms.
Russia wants to keep its naval port clearly under its control. If Russia loses that key port, it will dramatically weaken Russian naval capabilities. Russia already has nowhere near the fleet the US Navy has. Actually, you’d think the neocons would realize that if Russia becomes militarily weak enough, the whole “game” of spending hundreds of billions on cool military stuff to stay ahead of them is in jeapordy.
Meanwhile, the US/UK/Euro nations, at the behest of financial elites, want to bring Ukraine under the EU legal and financial umbrella. They want to do this because although they are already doing billions in business in Ukraine, the financiers of course want to have the options of forced austerity, EU tax/legal regimes, etc., at their disposal, which they can wield over the Ukrainian people through the puppet Ukrainian government they’ve set up.
Just ask Greece. If your parliament can’t pass austerity laws, we’ll force austerity on you. Signed, your buddies at the EU.
Obviously the elite financiers of the world are stumping for political support in the West for a civil war to break Ukraine in two, which would give Russia its port and the rest to the West. The war will be painful for the Ukrainian sheeple, but eh, such is life. Wars happen. We are your elite masters, and we know that in the long run, having EU laws is worth the pain of a civil war. Signed, your buddies at elite globalism.
If they can’t rouse up the neocons and get public support for stirring up a war in Ukraine, it has to be a black op, and US politicians, if the truth comes out later, would have blame for the op laid at their feet, instead of being able to blame the public outcry for war to help the beleagured Ukrainians with their $5 billion worth of European aspirations.
Unfortunately, the pro-any-war part of the American political scene is shrinking, as the US sheeple gradually wake up to the fact that they’re being lead by financier’s minions in politician’s clothing.
Like the ‘captured American’ video from the other side. The more I watched it, the less convincing it was. Much bad faith all around here. This is the first time in my life I have seen the One Worlders falter though. Good to see.
Putin worked with the Stasi in Dresden, Germany. The difference between Nazis, Commies, and KGB is mostly academic. And if you’re a country like Ukraine, you’ve been mistreated by all three. Putin’s father was in the secret police too. He probably brutalized Ukrainians too. Tell me is it your love of Putin or your hatred of a smaller, weaker country like Ukraine that makes you want him to suppress them?
Putin’s KGB past does not make it acceptable for the US and the West to manipulate Ukraine into joining the EU.
Victoria Nuland of the US State Department euphemistically brags that the US has spent $5 billion to help “Ukraine realize its European aspirations”, which obviously means that in truth $5 billion was spent to gin up public support inside Ukraine to join the European Union.
Just like I oppose attempts to manipulate Ukraine into joining the EU, I oppose any and all attempts to merge the US into any international organizations, as they undermine US national sovereignty. I’d oppose attempts like this in any country.
I don’t support ANY supranational union, or one country ruling over another.
I believe in the idea of legitimate national sovereignty, that is, a nation should be allowed to continue being a nation.
In cases where there is some popular movement to change borders or sovereignty, foreign involvement, especially by financial elites who manipulate whole governments, should be eliminated.
I don’t support the idea of Russia reabsorbing Ukraine in total, as just a bit over twenty years ago Ukraine became independent, and unless proven otherwise, one can only assume that this action was the will of most of the Ukrainian people.
I do support existing agreements that are agreed upon without coercion or corruption using normal diplomatic means. So I realize that the US and Russia and other countries have military bases inside other countries, where both countries agree to the arrangement. These form legitiamate national interests if both parties agree, and the parties have a right to protect such legitimate national interests.
I also believe Obama is a corrupt, evil puppet, that US Presidents for over a century have been minions of the financial elites.
But regardless of the corruption of its leaders, I still believe that America - as well as every other nation - has a legitimate right and responsibility to protect its legitimate national interests.
Notice however, that the European Union, has no legitimate national sovereignty, because it is not a nation. The United Nations also has no legitimate national sovereignty, because it is not a nation.
Those organizations, and any like them, are tools of the financial elites, built by and for them alone. They have zero accountability to citizens of nations and they usurp the national sovereignty of nations. Accordingly, they should all be abolished, and their organizers tried and convicted of treason in the various countries where they knowingly and purposely conspired to undermine national governments.
After a few years of being the enslaved client state of the sodomite Soviet EU and its totalitarian regime in Brussels, after being flooded with Third-world immigrants and Muslims, having their 5 year olds taught the joys of homosex, being saddled with mountains of onerous debt, their resources handed over to Globalist corporations, and being put in jail for objecting to any of it, the Western Ukrainians will regret the decision to snub Russia. The people in Eastern Ukrainian are already fighting in the streets to prevent a Soviet EU takeover.
Could the Ukrainians decide if they want to join the EU in your superior opinion?
“Notice however, that the European Union, has no legitimate national sovereignty, because it is not a nation. The United Nations also has no legitimate national sovereignty, because it is not a nation.
Those organizations, and any like them, are tools of the financial elites, built by and for them alone. They have zero accountability to citizens of nations and they usurp the national sovereignty of nations. Accordingly, they should all be abolished, and their organizers tried and convicted of treason in the various countries where they knowingly and purposely conspired to undermine national governments.”
Any and all supranational unions are by definition illegitimate because they usurp national sovereignty.
Citizens of France and Germany, for example, are subject to EU Acquis, or EU law.
They can no longer vote in French or German internal elections and reject EU law.
Do you live in Europe? Who lives better Poland or Ukraine? If Poland, why?
I don't disagree with anything in your description of the global situation, until this statement. There has always been strong anti-war sentiment in the US. Those who feel that way thought Obama was on their side. But now, the war-weary are on the sidelines, disgusted with Obama's war mongering but certainly not ready to turn to the globalist Republicans and conservatives. The younger generations doesn't connect their lack of opportunity and decline in many aspects of their lives to banker/globalist dominence.
I don't see how it ends well until there's a breakdown of globalist/banker dominated control of just about everything.
Poland, because people have to be lured into submission to the financial elites’ authority with some initial prosperity.
In exchange for that temporary relief, even if it lasts decades, they’ve surrendered the ability to resist future commands from the financial elites.
Much the same as us in America, people in the UK, Europe.
24x7 we are under control of the banksters. We only get the foods they want to provide, the medicines they want to provide, etc. We can’t escape paying them, taxes, rent, interest. A few elites set prices and availability of virtually everything we buy, and our jobs.
Slowly the noose is tightening around our necks, and many choose to live in denial rather than face the fact.
Dude, I do believe you're projecting. You can't open your mouth without talking about having sex with another guy.
“The authenticity of this recording is doubtful. Any competent intelligence agency would obtain more identifiable features, such as known people, before going public with something like this.”
You are entirely wrong. The recording is authentic, and the voice you are hearing is that of Alexander Borodai, a senior ranking general officer and formerly and/or presently a Deputy Director of the FSB (formerly KGB) responsible for special covert operations against the former Soviet republics and other targets requiring special handling. His name has been implicated by a former FSB officer taking refuge in London of being responsible for the alleged FSB false flag terrorist bombing of Russian civilians as a pretext for Russia’s renewed reconquest of Chechnya. He is also been identified as the FSB officer responsible for directing the covert military operations against the other former Soviet republics inlcuding Georgia, Moldova, and the Ukraine.
“Isn’t that one of those Russian brides lines?”
No, it is the telephone number of Alexander Borodai, described by Pravda.ru as the senior ranking general officer and former and/or current Deputy Director of the FSB (formerly KGB) responsible for special covert military operations, such as subversion and false flag intelligence operations. He is alleged to have been the man responsible for the FSB terrorist bombings of Russian civilians used as a false flag pretext for the reconquest of Chechnya, according to an FSB Lieuteneant Colonel who defected to London.
Sorry, you should know better, since you have listened to the recording.
I have now read four other published sources concerning this recording. The recording only refers to "Alexander". The Ukrainian government says it "Alexander" is Russian since the call originated, according to them, from a Russian area code "7". They then take another leap and say, really speculate, that this is the voice of Alexander Borodai.
This doesn't prove anything, and you know it.
Now I'll grant that it may well be Borodai's voice. However, it could also be the voice of a million other Alexanders, or Alexander imposters, in Russia, or in the Ukraine. It could be the voice of Sasha, Dima or Denys with the Ukranian secret police doing their best Alexander Borodai impression. Who knows? ... only the Ukrainians know for sure.
“I have now read four other published sources concerning this recording. The recording only refers to “Alexander”. The Ukrainian government says it “Alexander” is Russian since the call originated, according to them, from a Russian area code “7”. They then take another leap and say, really speculate, that this is the voice of Alexander Borodai.”
You are making a false statement. It was Ukrainska Pravda who reported the telephone number belongs to Alexander Borodai, and not the government of the Ukraine:
Ukrainska Pravda reported that the number belonged to a pro-Kremlin publicist Alexander Borodai, and cited unidentified sources as saying that the man had been entrusted with the “Crimea question” and now is handling the “Donetsk question” in eastern Ukraine. In February, Borodai published a YouTube video, titled: “How to Divide Ukraine.”
It is Pravda.ru in a year 2002 news report which described how Alexander Borodai was in 2002 the Deputy Directorr of the FSB responsible for exactly the kind of covert military operations he is now being linked to directing in the Ukraine in the intercepted telephone call we are listening to in the video.
The disinformation suggesting nothing adverse about the Russian invason of the Ukraine and this intercepted telephone call can be believed because the Russians deny it is simply unbelievable. You heard Alexander Borodai directing the covert Russian military operations in the Ukraine which targeted and killed the Ukrainian defense forces. You can deny and deny and deny till you are blue in the face, but the evidence is stacking up against the Russian war propaganda and propagandists.
Does Putin have a sexual disease, too? An “STB” or “STASI” or “FSB”? Since he’s into taking land, maybe he’s suffering from the “Reid Disease”. Like diarrhea, it runs in the family of tyrants.
It also creates an urge to confiscate other peoples’ lands and blame it on the Tea Party.
Putin does not have to confiscate Ukraine.
The Russian Federation has invested billions in Ukraine in partnership with the European countries and the United States, who have also invested billions there.
The US, Europe and Russia are business partners.
.....(”What did people think would happen when a Soros and sodomite soviet EU backed gang of Neo-Nazis overthrew the legitimate government of Russia’s most important neighbor and strategic ally? That Putin would go into a corner and sulk?”)........
Well the ant-Russian crowd might have hoped so....but I have to say The EU figured since they’d welcomed Putin onto the world stage, as a player among them and International Events, while they played niccey nicey with him..that surely he wouldn’t object....Despite Putin’s warning the Eu to get out of his back yard and stop their encroachment.
They said NO!.....and here we are.
Imo, those sitting in Kiev's Gov. have ‘other’ aspirations concerning how things will be done in Ukraine, now and in the future. They will choose to be autonomous....and deal with both sides just as before...... What is important to the Kiev Gov. is 'they' maintain the seat of power they currently have.
They just sent out their Gov. military, ( against their own constitution law), which they cannot do without declaring martial law and/or a Declaration of war.....so instead they're calling the protesters and militia "Terrorists", and their military troops Anti-terrorist Special Forces Units to justify Military intervention. So those in the seat of power have tasted it and they are not going to let go easily by an election.
Expect the May elections to be detained one way or another.
By your own admission, the sources connecting Alexander Borodai to the recording are "unidentified".
I have no leanings one way or the other on this question. I just cannot see any credibility to these assertions. They may well be correct, but the case has not been made.
“Ukrainska Pravda is an internet newspaper founded by Georgiy Gongadze in 2000. It is not the Russian Pravda.
By your own admission, the sources connecting Alexander Borodai to the recording are “unidentified”.”
I never said Ukrainska Pravda was the Russian Pravda, so you don’t read too well. Ukrainska Pravda provided the information about the telephone number being identified as belonging to Alexander Borodai, who is the same person identified as the so-called publicist. It was the Russian Pravda.ru which supplied me with the additional information about the rest of Alexander Borodai’s publicist, philosopher, and military career with the FSB as its Deputy Director of the FSB and senior ranking general officer responsible for special operations like Chechnya.
“I have no leanings one way or the other on this question. I just cannot see any credibility to these assertions. They may well be correct, but the case has not been made.”
I know of only one Alexander Borodai with the Russian telephone number and a senior positon with the FSB that has sufficient command authority to conduct the type of Russian covert operations being discussed in the recorded telephone conversation. He happens to be the same Alexander Borodai already known to have commanded the exact same kinds of operations in Chechnya, the Crimea, and now the Ukraine.