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Government suspends controversial program to recover money from adult children of dead taxpayers
Fox News ^ | 4/15/2014 | Fox Mews

Posted on 04/15/2014 7:44:17 AM PDT by Dallas59

The Social Security Administration announced Monday it is suspending a controversial program that goes after adult children of deceased taxpayers who the government claims were recipients of overpayments more than a decade ago.

Acting Social Security Commissioner Carolyn W. Colvin said she has directed an immediate halt to the three-year-old program while the agency does a review. The controversial program seized tax refunds in an effort to recoup the funds.

The move to stop the program came after many of the recipients and members of Congress complained to the federal agency.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: adultchildren; debt; socialsecurity; ssa

1 posted on 04/15/2014 7:44:17 AM PDT by Dallas59
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To: Dallas59

More government by bureaucratic whim.


2 posted on 04/15/2014 7:46:00 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Dallas59

Glad to see this stop.

I’m ignorant of the laws in this area. But, just wondering, if a deceased person owes money, doesn’t a claim have to be filed against the estate of that person?

It seems odd to me that someone decided that the adult children were somehow legally responsible to pay back these overpayments.


3 posted on 04/15/2014 7:48:37 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (Im)
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To: Dallas59

Some of the IRS cronies must’ve realized that their own parents didn’t pay their nursing home bill in full and hoped they could suspend the program before any journalists looked into it. The enforcers always have violators of “the law” in ther ranks...


4 posted on 04/15/2014 7:50:47 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Dallas59

There is no statute of limitations when it comes to the feral government and money.


5 posted on 04/15/2014 7:53:21 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The best way to control opposition is to lead it ourselves." -- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin)
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To: Dallas59

I guess they figured out that the people they were confiscating refunds from were EITC recipients whose parents had played loosely with SSI claims and the like.

Can’t have the gubmint taking all that free EITC money away from the voters they are trying to buy with it.


6 posted on 04/15/2014 7:53:22 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: headstamp 2
More government by bureaucratic whim.
No, more than a whim. This is politicians and their minions sitting down and trying to find more and more ways to take our money.
Like travel, money means freedom and it is disappearing before our very eyes.
7 posted on 04/15/2014 7:55:25 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

My mother died on a Friday, the 27th of February a few years ago.....by Tuesday or Wednesday of the following week, we received a letter that Social Security had already gone to the bank and sucked back her entire February benefit......not pro-rated; all of it.


8 posted on 04/15/2014 7:55:46 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (The 0baMao Experiment: Abject Failure)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Glad to see this stop.

It's not stopped, it's suspended. They'll wait unit the publicity fades, then resume.
9 posted on 04/15/2014 8:00:45 AM PDT by Colinsky
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Based on the one article I saw about some old lady who was a low salary teacher or something like that getting ripped off from her refund because of her momma’s SSI stuff back when.

I got to thinking about that and I started to think about exactly how do you get a near $4000 refund when you’ve always been low paid? They certainly weren’t over withholding. What I concluded is that there is another reason. EITC.


10 posted on 04/15/2014 8:02:02 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: headstamp 2

Hey, Morons in Congress:

This Government has gotten SO big and the bureaucracy is running SO MUCH on autopilot, they are even capable of doing stupid things like this in an ELECTION YEAR that can COST YOU your JOB!!!

Are ANY of you scared yet?


11 posted on 04/15/2014 8:02:13 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Colinsky

Those who run our government have the wisdom to pick us off one at a time.


12 posted on 04/15/2014 8:02:28 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Colinsky

You’re right, it will probably resume in the future.

But I still question how they could legally do this. Adult children are not responsible for the debts of their adult parents. Or vice versa. Yet in this area, some bureaucrat decided they should do things this way.


13 posted on 04/15/2014 8:02:39 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (Im)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Legality no longer matters it is the collection of funds from the American people for the purpose of distributing it to ones political friends.


14 posted on 04/15/2014 8:04:32 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Dallas59

They do this crap because they’re never punished. We need to start throwing these government officials in jail. Maybe then they’ll stop obeying unlawful orders from the top?


15 posted on 04/15/2014 8:09:04 AM PDT by ryan71 (The Partisans)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Glad to see this stop.

"Acting Social Security Commissioner Carolyn W. Colvin said she has directed an immediate halt to the three-year-old program while the agency does a review. "

Halted until after the mid-terms?

16 posted on 04/15/2014 8:10:01 AM PDT by sockmonkey (Of Course I didn't read the article. After all, this is FreeRepublic..)
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To: Dallas59

They will keep pushing, and slowly become more and more fascist, unless we wake up and do something.


17 posted on 04/15/2014 8:18:19 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

I heard that initially, they looked back 40 years, and then only to the eldest child. Then they reduced it to a lookback of 10 years from some “source” of pressure. Law? “We don’t need no steenkin law!”


18 posted on 04/15/2014 8:50:59 AM PDT by SgtHooper
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To: Dallas59

Congress passed the bill, only to find out what’s in it........AGAIN!


19 posted on 04/15/2014 8:52:01 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Dallas59

Need to find out who repealed it in the farm bill.


20 posted on 04/15/2014 8:53:10 AM PDT by Dallas59 ("Remember me as you pass by, As you are now, so once was I, As I am now, so you will be," -Epitap)
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To: Dallas59

The provision for the IRS to do this was tucked away in the 2010 Farm Bill. Congress passed it. So did the senate.


21 posted on 04/15/2014 8:54:13 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: headstamp 2

There’s really no earthly power that can compare to power arbitrarily exercised.


22 posted on 04/15/2014 8:55:29 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Yeah they stopped, just like they stopped with the Bundy’s. This misadministration and the demonrats never let go of anything they perceive as a revenue source, meaning Americans!


23 posted on 04/15/2014 9:04:50 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Dallas59
Those bastards took $300 from my tax return last week - my wife's father died in 1981. That's 33 years ago for those in Rio Linda

I hate my government !!!

24 posted on 04/15/2014 9:09:42 AM PDT by Living Free in NH
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To: Dallas59
This is a slightly different more detailed timeline - once again barack is unscathed:

1. Barack's EXEC ORDER: 13250

"By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, and in the interest of reducing payment errors and eliminating waste, fraud, and abuse in Federal programs, it is hereby ordered as follows:

"excerpt: "If an agency fails to meet the targets established under section 2 of this order, or implement the plan described in subsection (b)(iii) of this section for 2 consecutive years, that agency's accountable official designated under subsection (a) of this section shall submit to the agency head, Inspector General, and Chief Financial Officer a report describing the likely causes of the agency's failure and proposing a remedial plan. The agency head shall review this plan and, in consultation with the Inspector General and Chief Financial Officer, forward the plan with any additional comments and analysis to the Director of OMB."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/executive-order-reducing-improper-payments

2. Social Security filed a report in response to EO:

"This report fulfills the requirements ofSections2(b) iv),3(b),and3(f) of ExecutiveOrder 13520, Reducing Improper Payments"

"Executive Order 13520 requires each agency, beginning in FY 2011, to annually report information related to identification, tracking, and recovery of improper grants, benefits, and contract payments, where applicable, to OMB’s improper payments website, PaymentAccuracy.gov. According to OMB their website is currently unable to accommodate this improper payment recovery information.

This debt collection tool also performs AWG, credit bureau reporting, and collection outsourcing to private collection agencies."

http://www.ssa.gov/improperpayments/documents/AO_Report_2012.pdf

3. Carolyn Colvin, who is quoted in the Fox link, appeared before Congress in Jan 2014 and testified about the program, which she didn't seem to have any problem with at that time:

"In May 2012, we enhanced ECO to collect delinquent debts through TOP beyond the current 10-year statute of limitations, as authorized by Public Law 110-246. Through FY 2013, we notified 310,000 former beneficiaries with debts 10 years or more delinquent of our ability to collect their delinquent debt through TOP. Continued improvement in our debt collection program is also underway.

"We will continue to expand our use of TOP by: 1) completing notification to debtors with debts delinquent 10 years or more; and 2) continue to notify debtors on a monthly basis of our ability to offset eligible State payments through Treasury’s SRP to collect delinquent debt."

http://www.ssa.gov/legislation/testimony_011614.html

It looks like SS was simply complying with the orders of the President (to me anyway)

25 posted on 04/15/2014 9:19:07 AM PDT by true believer forever (Give me this mountain, Lord.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

My read on the “rationale” for this is that the children recieved/benefitted from the money. IOW they were dependents of the recipient at the time of the overpayment.

It’s a tenuous argument, at best. There’s no idea where the overpayments actually went to, so the gvt assumes it was to provide things for the dependents.


26 posted on 04/15/2014 9:21:28 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: oh8eleven

Agree...they appear to pull back when an uproar occurs, or at least recently...damage control? This, Bunkerville...public pressure and opinion may be having an impact. Enough of this madness by those supposed public servants.


27 posted on 04/15/2014 9:35:19 AM PDT by TheBlackSwan
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To: Dallas59

Like they couldn’t make up for it in death taxes.


28 posted on 04/15/2014 9:45:23 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Dilbert San Diego

It was in the Farm Bill.

Steal from working Americans to pay for people on food stamps.

More of Holder’s & Obama’s ‘reparations’.


29 posted on 04/15/2014 11:47:43 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Dallas59

What a crock from Boxer and Mikulski!!

These same lawmakers and their cohorts are proud of passing the ACA which affects(screws over)everyone, except themselves, while having no idea what it contains! Outside of vote gathering retoric, the concepts of lawful and unjust have no meaning to this group.


30 posted on 04/15/2014 6:18:17 PM PDT by Nuocmam
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