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Facts and Fallacies About Paycheck Fairness
Townhall.com ^ | April 15, 2014 | Phyllis Schlafly

Posted on 04/15/2014 7:54:02 AM PDT by Kaslin

President Barack Obama and his feminist friends have been trotting out their tiresome slogan that women are paid only 77 cents for every dollar a man earns. Every reputable scholar who has commented has proved that this is a notorious falsehood that anyone should be embarrassed to use.

U.S. law calls for equal pay for equal work, but the feminist slogan is not based on equal work. Women work fewer hours per day, per week, per year. They spend fewer years as full-time workers outside the home, avoid jobs that require overtime, and choose jobs with flexibility to take time off for personal reasons. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, men are twice as likely as women to work more than 40 hours a week.

Women place a much higher value on pleasant working conditions: a clean, comfortable, air-conditioned office with congenial co-workers. Men, on the other hand, are more willing to endure unpleasant working conditions to earn higher pay, doing dirty, dangerous outside work. In 2012, men suffered 92 percent of work-related deaths.

If a man is supporting his family, at the peak of his career, he often works longer hours to maximize his earnings. By contrast, a successful woman who reaches a high rank in her career is more likely to reduce her working hours.

All these reasons for women voluntarily choosing lower pay are now beyond dispute among those who have looked at the facts. But even those explanations for the alleged pay "gap" are still only part of the story.

Perhaps an even more important reason for women's lower pay is the choices women make in their personal lives, such as having children. Women with children earn less, but childless women earn about the same as men.

Another fact is the influence of hypergamy, which means that women typically choose a mate (husband or boyfriend) who earns more than she does. Men don't have the same preference for a higher-earning mate.

While women prefer to HAVE a higher-earning partner, men generally prefer to BE the higher-earning partner in a relationship. This simple but profound difference between the sexes has powerful consequences for the so-called pay gap.

Suppose the pay gap between men and women were magically eliminated. If that happened, simple arithmetic suggests that half of women would be unable to find what they regard as a suitable mate.

Obviously, I'm not saying women won't date or marry a lower-earning men, only that they probably prefer not to. If a higher-earning man is not available, many women are more likely not to marry at all.

In colleges, there are no gender separations in courses of study, and students can freely choose their majors. There are no male and female math classes. But women generally choose college courses that pay less in the labor market.

Those are the choices that women themselves make. Those choices contribute to the pay gap, just as much as the choice of a job with flexible hours and pleasant working conditions.

The pay gap between men and women is not all bad because it helps to promote and sustain marriages. Since husband and wife generally pool their incomes into a single economic unit, what really matters is the combined family income, not the pay gap between them.

In two segments of our population, the pay gap has virtually ceased to exist. In the African-American community and in the millennial generation (ages 18 to 32), women earn about the same as men, if not more.

It just so happens that those are the two segments of our population in which the rate of marriage has fallen the most. Fifty years ago, about 80 percent of Americans were married by age 30; today, less than 50 percent are.

Just a coincidence? I think not. The best way to improve economic prospects for women is to improve job prospects for the men in their lives, even if that means increasing the so-called pay gap.

The real economic story of the past 30 years is that women's pay has effectively risen to virtual parity, but men's pay has stagnated and thousands of well-paid blue-collar jobs have been shipped to low-wage countries. Nobody should be surprised that the marriage rate has fallen, the age of first marriage has risen, and marriage, in general, has become more unstable.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: educationandschools; genderwagegap

1 posted on 04/15/2014 7:54:02 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

LOVE Phyllis Schlafly, a long-time warrior of conservatism. I wish more men had her stamina and gonads.


2 posted on 04/15/2014 7:57:14 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

She raises some good points.

I had to laugh, as the president talked of this issue last week. CNN did a story which showed that the White House staff has a pay disparity between men and women.

Jay Carney was asked about it, and stumbled and mumbled about it, and finally said it was because various jobs at the White House pay differently based on skills and experience. He made the conservatives point for us, that, this alleged pay gap is not due to paying a female less because she is a female, but because different jobs pay differently based on the skills needed for the job.


3 posted on 04/15/2014 8:01:13 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (Im)
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To: fwdude

She raises some good points.

I had to laugh, as the president talked of this issue last week. CNN did a story which showed that the White House staff has a pay disparity between men and women.

Jay Carney was asked about it, and stumbled and mumbled about it, and finally said it was because various jobs at the White House pay differently based on skills and experience. He made the conservatives point for us, that, this alleged pay gap is not due to paying a female less because she is a female, but because different jobs pay differently based on the skills needed for the job.


4 posted on 04/15/2014 8:01:14 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (Im)
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To: fwdude

I’m a guy and I’ll pass on having ovaries thank you.

Still, this whole “liberal” schtick is about punking society, about reinventing it for the sake of the pride of reinvention rather than for the sake of a closer approach to righteousness and virtue. The good Lord made women and men with different fortes. Why do our dear “diversity” mongers suddenly go missing when this truth is, for the jillionth time, highlighted?


5 posted on 04/15/2014 8:16:08 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Yup


6 posted on 04/15/2014 8:16:38 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Kaslin

Women’s equality in the marketplace of employment is a non-issue issue, one of a litany of make work issues the left hands off to Republicans to damage them before elections. Throw them out there, and see if they will stick long enough for the leftist media to get some traction in the mushy brains of Americans. Oh look! There’s amnesty, women’s issues, minimum wage, all distractions that the left doesn’t give one crap about, but they aren’t Obamacare, unemployment and the constantly diminishing quality of life Americans are experiencing. Get back to the tyranny, corruption, abuse of power, encroaching government and the deconstruction of free enterprise and liberty.


7 posted on 04/15/2014 8:19:06 AM PDT by pallis
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To: Kaslin
and in the millennial generation (ages 18 to 32), women earn about the same as men, if not more.

That will change as those women get older and less pleasant to look at.

8 posted on 04/15/2014 8:19:30 AM PDT by palmer (There's someone in my lead but it's not me)
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To: Kaslin

Seems a little off topic...The debate is about men and women doing exactly the same job and the women getting paid less for the same work...NOT that women in general make less money than men...


9 posted on 04/15/2014 8:19:57 AM PDT by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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To: pallis

Women’s societies and liberals reacted to seeing what they thought was gratuitous worship of masculinity, with gratuitous worship of femininity.

There have always been self pride and ego problems in fallen humanity. But our dear liberals are so good at throwing the baby out with the bathwater.


10 posted on 04/15/2014 8:21:19 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Iscool

No, liberals keep conflating those issues.

Even in “same job” situations, the guys often put out more than nominal when the gals won’t, or they are likely to have more experience. It’s a guy thing to work hard in business. It’s a gal thing to work hard in the home (when her wits have not been stolen away by modern feminists).


11 posted on 04/15/2014 8:23:18 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Kaslin

Dems would be more honest if they just proposed a bill that says that the labor department dictates every wage for every job in America at all times,
forget performance,
equality and fairness trump performance and productivity.

Would cut down on lawsuit chaos.


12 posted on 04/15/2014 8:23:28 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor if you want. I never tell a lie ')
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To: Iscool

If a female does the same job as the guy in the picture and does it as good as he does, she should definitely get the same pay. On the other had if a male does a job that normally is done by women, the same rule should apply


13 posted on 04/15/2014 8:27:24 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: sickoflibs

Don’t tempt them.


14 posted on 04/15/2014 8:28:36 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Kaslin

It would work out to rough parity by means of laissez-faire. The idea of enlightened feminism isn’t new. It’s at least as old as Proverbs 31, where this lady kept busy at home and on the side, and she contributed to her family’s renown. She’d not bother if she was always doomed to get a raw deal.


15 posted on 04/15/2014 8:31:31 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
RE :”Don’t tempt them.”

How about single payer ?? LOL

16 posted on 04/15/2014 8:32:36 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor if you want. I never tell a lie ')
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To: sickoflibs

Single payer! Everybody is now a bureaucrat!

Some kind of cacotopia.


17 posted on 04/15/2014 8:33:12 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
RE :”Single payer! Everybody is now a bureaucrat!”

Couldn't it be all paid for just by raising taxes on rich peoples yachts?

Then it would be *free*

Thurstan Howell the III on Gilligan Island always seems to have extra $$$.

I always wondered why he took the trip on Skippers boat when he has those huge yachts sitting around anyway.

18 posted on 04/15/2014 8:39:33 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor if you want. I never tell a lie ')
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To: sickoflibs
Boss Of The Town
19 posted on 04/15/2014 8:42:56 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
the guys often put out more than nominal when the gals won’t ..... or can't.

I'm in IT, which is a male dominated profession if I've ever seen one. No equal opportunity hires ... or those who are find other places to work, very quickly. For the most part, the women who I work with - who've done this long enough to survive the brutal "weed-outs" - are meticulous, thorough, and very, very smart.

They need to be, because (IMO) they can't work the stupid hours that men do. I've had positions where I've had to put in 24, 48, or 72 hours straight. 120 hours a week, for an extended time, was not unusual on one project. Ergo, guys do the IT jobs not in spite of women's efforts, but because there are so few women who physically can do them, and fewer still who want to.

And don't get me started on "Power Company Lineman", or any number of other well-paid, physical jobs.

20 posted on 04/15/2014 8:51:21 AM PDT by wbill
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To: wbill

Some ladies do have a great temperament for working with the computer gear. They tend to be harder to hassle.


21 posted on 04/15/2014 8:53:28 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

That guy looks like a candidate for a heart attack.

Has he gone for his first Obamacare checkup yet?


22 posted on 04/15/2014 8:53:31 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor if you want. I never tell a lie ')
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To: wbill

And somehow, “Wichita Linewoman” wouldn’t be the same.


23 posted on 04/15/2014 8:53:52 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Kaslin
“...Women work fewer hours per day, per week, per year. They spend fewer years as full-time workers outside the home, avoid jobs that require overtime, and choose jobs with flexibility to take time off for personal reasons.”

Please.....

Women enter the jobs arena with a permanent and distinct ‘favored status' advantage. A woman will always be hired (whether qualified or experienced or NOT) in ANY job where a qualified man can do the same job.

Example: I have been in the same place for 13 years.... no man has EVER even been considered for the many positions which have been available, here.

There is not a single male (and there never WILL be) in this office.

24 posted on 04/15/2014 8:54:14 AM PDT by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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To: sickoflibs

Yeah, looks so chubby that he ought to be riding a Clydesdale, not the horse shown in that picture. Almost as chubby as yours truly.


25 posted on 04/15/2014 8:54:49 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: SMARTY

So you’re a smarty lady?


26 posted on 04/15/2014 8:55:19 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
.....about reinventing it for the sake of the pride of reinvention rather than for the sake of a closer approach to righteousness and virtue

It's all about power, not about virtue. Power is the ultimate dis-equalizer.

27 posted on 04/15/2014 8:56:52 AM PDT by llevrok (F the government)
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To: llevrok

Power for the sake of what, though.

Power for the sake of God, great.

Power for the sake of self, not so great.


28 posted on 04/15/2014 8:58:02 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Kaslin

Just tax males 13% more than females and transgenders.
Problem solved.
It’s easy. All you have to do is “think” like a ‘rat.


29 posted on 04/15/2014 8:58:44 AM PDT by Zuse
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To: HiTech RedNeck
RE :”Yeah, looks so chubby that he ought to be riding a Clydesdale, not the horse shown in that picture. Almost as chubby as yours truly.”

Good news for you then, Michelle Obama will be opening her new Fitness and healthy living cable channel in 2017.

Since by then Obamacare will fine you for being overweight.

30 posted on 04/15/2014 8:58:57 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor if you want. I never tell a lie ')
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Absolutely. And those who've been around for a bit will smack you sideways if you suggest they got to where they are through anything BUT hard work.

And they'd be right.

And....you're correct: "I am a non-gender specific person who services the Power Lines for the Coun-teee" just doesn't have a good ring to it. :-)

31 posted on 04/15/2014 9:00:20 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Zuse

Oops!
I meant to tax males 23% more.

Sorry, I was trying to “think” like a lib.


32 posted on 04/15/2014 9:00:28 AM PDT by Zuse
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I guess so :)


33 posted on 04/15/2014 9:01:29 AM PDT by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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To: Kaslin

The pay of an employee, should be between employer and employee, only.


34 posted on 04/15/2014 9:02:20 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Kaslin

If the repubs had half a brain, they would turn this whole paycheck fairness on it’s ear.

How fair is it for woman and men to have to work until late April just to pay their taxes?

And all the while, those that pass these tax laws live like courtesans in pre revolution France.

And what happened to them?


35 posted on 04/15/2014 9:02:20 AM PDT by Texas resident (The democrat party is now the CPUSA)
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To: SMARTY

smarty pant(yhose)


36 posted on 04/15/2014 9:05:05 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Texas resident

Yup... when the wolf is at the door, it seems petty to fret over the cockroaches.


37 posted on 04/15/2014 9:05:42 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Kaslin
I've been a hiring manager at my company for quite some time and I've hired and on-boarded hundreds of employees over the years. I can dispel the myth right now that women are "paid less" than their male counterparts.

All new hires are slotted into the appropriate titles and pay grades based on their skill sets and experience. There is no separate "women's pay grade" and "men's pay grade" for any given job title. The notion that there would be is silly and ridiculous and no company would ever attempt something like that as they would get terrible PR and would likely be litigated out of existence.

38 posted on 04/15/2014 9:11:13 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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I love Phyllis Schlafly, but this is really the same old arguments again.

Often the real situation is that women have been at the job longer and actually do it better than the men making the higher salary. Women are often disparaged for being good at the unimportant detail work, but in some jobs this work is important and the men are more slapdash and careless.

To repeat myself a bit from another thread, I think our emphasis in countering this phony “war on women” stuff should not be the so-called conservative “women belong at home anyway” argument, or anything getting close to it, but the truly conservative argument that it is none of the government’s business what criteria people use in hiring and determining salaries.

If we stick to the economic, free-market principles we are supposed to stand for, we might make better headway against this divisive tactic.

Because really, when you think about it, the only way to solve it the way the Dems want us to solve it is for companies to publish all their salaries. That is nobody’s business but theirs.


39 posted on 04/15/2014 9:15:17 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: firebrand
Because really, when you think about it, the only way to solve it the way the Dems want us to solve it is for companies to publish all their salaries.

That would not be a solution in their eyes. What they want is for everybody to be paid by (ergo, working for) the government, which, by right and definition, should be themselves. Any measure short of this is just a speed bump on the way to the real destination.

They don't believe in such things as a "free market" or "private business", and as long as they have their way, there certainly won't be.

40 posted on 04/15/2014 9:41:50 AM PDT by thulldud (Is it "alter or abolish" time yet?)
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To: thulldud

Well, yes. But it is not a speed bump. It is a brick wall. Since we will never agree that all companies publish their salary data by gender (and even that would not tell the full tale; they’d have to publish everyone’s resume and performance evaluations to prove that they are not sexist!), we will never get to all citizens working for the government. Or they’ll have to go around that brick wall by instituting a full-scale communist revolution.


41 posted on 04/15/2014 9:56:25 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: firebrand
Often the real situation is that women have been at the job longer and actually do it better than the men making the higher salary.

Which is usually caused by the fact that those males are willing to work more overtime and take less medical time-off. There is no male-pay-scale vs. female-pay-scale. When I was working in IT, we were paid for our experience, skills and willingness to get the job done. All of our hourly rates were pretty much the same, but we had several females who were paid MORE per hour, but their paychecks were LESS because they wouldn't work the overtime. These factors are the MOST OFTEN cause of pay differences. All these labor numbers, BS Dem talking points and such are based on OVERALL, COMBINED annual salaries. Those salaries are eschewed because of the personal choices which women and men make towards their careers, their family needs, and their current situations.

The problem with your approach is that it often leads to other areas which the Dems use to open other false narratives (Republicans don't care about the poor, Republicans want to let businesses screw over their workers, Republicans want people to starve by abolishing the minimum wage, etc...).

The Dems have presented a nice sounding, although COMPLETE lie about 77% pay difference. The best way to fight that isn't by opening ourselves up to more avenues for the Dems to parade with "Republicans hate women and minorities" signs. The best defense is to make the Dems own up to the LIE about the 77% and present the truth, which is on our side!
42 posted on 04/15/2014 10:16:53 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Possession of a uterus is an impediment to a career & CONTINUITY on the job.


43 posted on 04/15/2014 10:19:41 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: firebrand

The day the government requires me to publish the details of resumes & pay in any company I own, I will shut down completely or down to only myself.


44 posted on 04/15/2014 10:31:57 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Power for the sake of self, not so great.

To the left, it is all about self, control and power over those not like them.

For years, Conservatives have been pegged with the label of greed. We are the robber barons. We are exclusive country clubbers. We amass wealth at the expense of "the working man". Yada yada yada.

Stop and examine what the liberal/"progessives" are up to and there is every ounce of greed in them we have long been pegged with, but for the want of power and control. But that is OK (in their mind). It's for the social good.

45 posted on 04/15/2014 2:00:42 PM PDT by llevrok (F the government)
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To: llevrok

So do not ape them.


46 posted on 04/15/2014 2:02:28 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: ExTxMarine

What the Dems are saying is a lie, because they are saying it’s unequal pay for equal work.

But the reasons Republicans are giving for the disparity can sound more offensive: women pick easy majors, women are designed for childbearing, women work shorter hours—all of these statements are adding to the problem.

My advice is to stick to the big answer: it’s none of the government’s business. Any attempts to counter their claim by offering answers to why women are paid less is really off topic. It gives them food for more refutation and sends all these negative stereotypes about women workers into the airwaves. Plus some inexperienced candidate is going to stick his foot in it big-time if we stay on this theme.


47 posted on 04/15/2014 4:39:59 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: Iscool
It's illegal to pay based upon gender for the same job. It's grounds for a lawsuit which will be won.

The statistics, studies, etc. are based upon "equivalent jobs."

Guess who decides what constitutes an "equivalent job?

You won't get that from the article, or any article...just as the lamestream media can't use the words "alien" and "illegal" in the same sentence.

48 posted on 04/15/2014 5:03:33 PM PDT by gogeo (If you are Tea Party, the Republican Party does not want you.)
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