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Teacher removed for 'dangerous' science projects; supporters rally
Los Angeles Times ^ | April 9, 2014 | Howard Blume

Posted on 04/15/2014 2:09:42 PM PDT by Timber Rattler

A popular Los Angeles high school science teacher has been suspended after students turned in projects that appeared dangerous to administrators, spurring a campaign calling for his return to the classroom.

Students and parents have rallied around Greg Schiller after his suspension in February from the downtown Cortines School of Visual & Performing Arts. Supporters have organized a rally on his behalf at the campus scheduled for Thursday, gathered hundreds of signatures on a petition calling for his reinstatement and set up a social media page.

Schiller was ordered to report daily to a district administrative office pending an investigation after two students turned in science projects that were designed to shoot small projectiles.

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A school employee saw the air-pressure project and raised concerns about what looked to her like a weapon, according to the teachers union and supporters. Schiller, who said he never saw either completed project except in photos, was summoned and sent home.

Both projects were confiscated as “evidence,” said Susan Ferguson, whose son did the coil-gun project.

L.A. Unified School District administrators have told Schiller that he was removed from his classroom six weeks ago for “supervising the building, research and development of imitation weapons,” said union representative Roger Scott.

(Excerpt) Read more at living.msn.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: banglist; california; gregschiller; paranoia; rogerscott; science; stupid; susanferguson; suspended
These school dictocrats would probably not have approved of the two guys in my old high school science class who built a model distillery as their project back in the day...
1 posted on 04/15/2014 2:09:43 PM PDT by Timber Rattler
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To: Timber Rattler
Common core teachers don't like it when students learn more than the lesson plan dictates.
2 posted on 04/15/2014 2:11:19 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The best way to control opposition is to lead it ourselves." -- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin)
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To: Timber Rattler

confiscated as “evidence, TO PROSECUTE! Parents if you dont step up who will?


3 posted on 04/15/2014 2:12:01 PM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: Timber Rattler

Sounds like the science there has settled.


4 posted on 04/15/2014 2:12:09 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Timber Rattler

Any more reason to wonder why our country lags the world in student knowledge of science?


5 posted on 04/15/2014 2:16:10 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: pfflier

Your comment = exactly what I was thinking.


6 posted on 04/15/2014 2:21:25 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: Timber Rattler

My college chemistry prof built a cannon that used a hydrogen and oxygen mixture to shoot a tennis ball across our lab. Obviously different times when today school officials have a fit if some grade school kid uses their fingers in a gun like gesture.


7 posted on 04/15/2014 2:21:41 PM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: Timber Rattler
A school employee saw the air-pressure project and raised concerns about what looked to her like a weapon

Wait till she sees what a rubber band held between two fingers can do!

8 posted on 04/15/2014 2:21:49 PM PDT by The Cajun (tea party!!!, Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Louie Gohmert......Nuff said.)
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To: Timber Rattler

And the story continues on (adding my little bit):

“...and they went on to become one of the largest distillery companies in the United States?”

Funny how those home grown science projects can turn into a major business.


9 posted on 04/15/2014 2:22:29 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Timber Rattler

The project should be reconfigured to accommodate a credit card sized/shaped object and be renamed a ‘rapid EBT card delivery device’ and then it will receive accolades.


10 posted on 04/15/2014 2:26:13 PM PDT by posterchild
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To: The Great RJ
That was probably one heck of a cannon.

My chemistry teacher did something similar with O2 and H and soap bubbles. I thought that the explosion was going to blow the windows out. Lol.

11 posted on 04/15/2014 2:27:06 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: The Cajun

The rubber band is okay, just don’t point your finger and thumb like a gun.

As silly as it sounds, students can get in trouble for doing this.


12 posted on 04/15/2014 2:29:06 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Timber Rattler

They must really freak out when they watch Mythbusters.


13 posted on 04/15/2014 2:38:21 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: The Cajun

A good rubber band and a hair pin or re-bent paper clip could kill if it hit the right area.

I (in school - early fifties) put them through comic books 1/4” to 3/8” thick. A hair pin could be imbedded into a plank of pine wood a good 1/8” deep.


14 posted on 04/15/2014 2:39:14 PM PDT by rw4site (Little men want Big Government!)
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To: Timber Rattler

My brother did that for a science project. He got an A and then drank the beer he made.


15 posted on 04/15/2014 2:42:09 PM PDT by formosa
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To: Timber Rattler

So now any hysterical airhead can have a hissifit and get someone fired for some wacko notion that flits through the empty space in her brain.


16 posted on 04/15/2014 2:43:15 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: The Great RJ
When I went to Hosler Jr. High in Lynwood,Ca., a part of the LAUSD, we had electric shop and the teacher taught us how to make electro magnet nail guns, and in metal shop I used to make castings in the shape of(GASP!) guns. I don't know what has happened in the last 35 years but I do know it's NOT good for our children.
17 posted on 04/15/2014 2:49:14 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: rw4site

Yup, those big 3/8 inch wide suckers were the magnums, LOL!


18 posted on 04/15/2014 2:51:21 PM PDT by The Cajun (tea party!!!, Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Louie Gohmert......Nuff said.)
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To: Timber Rattler

Wish I had a kid doing one of these science fair projects - I’d suggest a trebuchet.

By the time the pinheads in the administration figured out what it was (if ever), it’d be too late.


19 posted on 04/15/2014 2:53:29 PM PDT by Stosh
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To: Timber Rattler

I took a special night chemistry class in high school with my brother. The teacher (who was one of the school’s vice-principals) taught us how to make a combustible concoction of “rocket fuel.” My brother and his friend were intent on building a rocket with this stuff as fuel.

One night, they decided they’d test the thrust by stuffing the concoction in a flask, inverted the flask (holding the stuff in initially with wax), and ignited it. The expectation was that the fuel would burn and produce thrust that would keep the rest of the fuel in the flask.

It didn’t work. With a whoosh, the wax was gone, and fuel fell on the asbestos pads on the floor and ignited. The resulting burn left a foot of smoke at the ceiling.

The year after they graduated, they came back to try a rocket they built. It was not so much a rocket as a pipe bomb with fins—because it just exploded on the ground.


20 posted on 04/15/2014 3:08:38 PM PDT by JeffChrz (2014--still the best idiots money can buy.)
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To: Timber Rattler
A school employee saw the air-pressure project and raised concerns about what looked to her like a weapon...

Was it made from a pop tart?

21 posted on 04/15/2014 3:11:06 PM PDT by uglybiker (nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-BATMAN!)
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To: Timber Rattler

It is like (gasp!) a gun! Zero tolerance! Run them all out of the school!

But the teacher looking at porn on a school computer? Got to keep him. The teacher who only allows liberal thought in class; promotion.


22 posted on 04/15/2014 3:12:06 PM PDT by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of gun control?)
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To: Timber Rattler

I did that too!


23 posted on 04/15/2014 5:02:25 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: rw4site

Remember the ‘darts’ from then that were made out of a sewing needle, a no.3 pencil’s eraser and some small 1/2” by 1/2” pieces of thin milk carton material for ‘fins’? No rubber bands, we just hand tossed ‘em and they stuck into just about anything, including tops of heads of kids sitting in the front of the class! Tossed from the back of the class, if the dart was arched high up into the air just right and the aim was good....thunk!!! (It would be ‘THE CHAIR’ for that sort of stuff today!)


24 posted on 04/15/2014 5:04:40 PM PDT by bobby.223 (Retired up in the snowy mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a great life!)
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To: Timber Rattler
Teacher removed for 'dangerous' science projects; supporters rally

Yes, we wouldn't want tech people who are comfortable working around dangerous stuff (assuming these NEA pantywaists have even correctly identified danger). I'm about ready to start cheering for other countries passing the USA in technical disciplines. These wussified guhlly-men idiots don't DESERVE to live in a successful country. [facepalm]

25 posted on 04/15/2014 5:04:59 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Common core teachers don't like it when students learn more than the lesson plan dictates.

You've incorrectly assigned blame. Think higher up.
26 posted on 04/15/2014 5:22:08 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: bobby.223
Remember the ‘darts’ from then that were made out of a sewing needle, a no.3 pencil’s eraser and some small 1/2” by 1/2” pieces of thin milk carton material for ‘fins’? No rubber bands, we just hand tossed ‘em and they stuck into just about anything, including tops of heads of kids sitting in the front of the class! Tossed from the back of the class, if the dart was arched high up into the air just right and the aim was good....thunk!!! (It would be ‘THE CHAIR’ for that sort of stuff today!)

Uh, no Bobby, we don't.

What kind of school did you say you went to again?

27 posted on 04/15/2014 7:32:48 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker

Your USA basic public school system. (Not saying ‘darts’ was safe by any means btw.) It was a long time ago...things were different then. Do you remember the pocket knife throwing game most of the fellas played before school, at recess/lunch time and after school, wherever there was a decent patch of lawn? It was called ‘mumbly-peg’, (a few different spellings of that word I’ll bet), and the old boy scout pocket knife was the ‘weapon of choice’. Heck, we even had the playground teacher/monitor settle the ‘who’s knife was stuck closer’ silly arguments between players. Like I said, it was a while back and fun......but I would not want to go back for anything.


28 posted on 04/15/2014 7:57:03 PM PDT by bobby.223 (Retired up in the snowy mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a great life!)
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To: bobby.223

I remember mumbly-peg.

But I never heard of needle-darts! LOL!


29 posted on 04/15/2014 8:02:42 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: bobby.223

I would never think of throwing darts or shooting clips or hair pins at anyone. They were just for bragging rights about how deep we could sink them into a non living target. We knew they could be lethal.

Did you go to school in the North?


30 posted on 04/15/2014 9:02:49 PM PDT by rw4site (Little men want Big Government!)
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You are 100% correct rw. Complete foolishness. (It was not an every day thing like mumbly-peg but idiotic nonetheless, even tho 95% of the tosses were at targets other than fellow kidlettes). Dumb little kids do dumb little things on occasion and Darts in class was one of ‘em! I only ‘played’ a few times, I wasn’t one of the ‘regulars’, but sill even once was stupid. Oh well, it was a hell of a long time ago. I think I’ll just try and remember good school times, like trying to talk the teach into bringing in her radio at World Series time!


31 posted on 04/16/2014 3:05:43 PM PDT by bobby.223 (Retired up in the snowy mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a great life!)
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