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Like Bush, Many Republicans Are Moderate on Immigration
FiveThirtyEight ^ | Nate Silver

Posted on 04/15/2014 5:45:45 PM PDT by ObamahatesPACoal

The Republican Party has grown more conservative over the past couple of decades. But news commentators sometimes wrongly imply that GOP voters take an extremist position on every issue.

As I described on Friday, for example, Jeb Bush’s support of Common Core educational standards isn’t likely to hurt him if he runs for president in 2016; the issue is neither all that relevant to most Republicans nor all that divisive. If candidates running to Bush’s right are looking for a wedge issue, they’ll probably have some better choices.

(Excerpt) Read more at fivethirtyeight.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: brewer; kobach; mccain; natesilver; sb1070

1 posted on 04/15/2014 5:45:45 PM PDT by ObamahatesPACoal
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

Its now “extreme” to want traditional, common sense laws enforced.


2 posted on 04/15/2014 5:47:22 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

Like Bush, many Republicans are Liberals.


3 posted on 04/15/2014 5:47:30 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

Wonderboy Nate Silver seems to ignore McCain/Flake’s approval, McCain’s censure and Obama’s approval. Instead he uses bogus polling from the MSM.


4 posted on 04/15/2014 5:47:30 PM PDT by ObamahatesPACoal
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To: ObamahatesPACoal
The Republican Party has grown more conservative over the past couple of decades.

And I'm supposed to take the rest of this seriously?

5 posted on 04/15/2014 5:51:08 PM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

6 posted on 04/15/2014 5:52:06 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

Many Gelded Old Pansies are DemoCraps,


7 posted on 04/15/2014 5:54:05 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

No such thing as little bit pregnant. Either you are or not.
Immigration is a straightforward issue. We should welcome immigrants who are either well funded or have skills in demand. That is what other good countries do such as Switzerland, New Zealand, Australia, Singapore and other successful countries.


8 posted on 04/15/2014 5:54:41 PM PDT by entropy12
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

Moderate on treason and self-destruction


9 posted on 04/15/2014 5:55:31 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: skeeter

I guess it’s now considered extreme to want the Mexican cartels to stay out of the USA. It’s only a matter of time before the cartels corrupt our police and behead reporters. We will have our esteemed Congressmen to thank for turning the USA into Mexico. Enforce the laws, idiots.


10 posted on 04/15/2014 5:55:36 PM PDT by dandiegirl
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

Yawn


11 posted on 04/15/2014 6:00:22 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator ( 2+2 = V)
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To: ObamahatesPACoal
MEMO TO JEB BUSH:  Instead of getting that degree in Latin American affairs, you might have been wise to get a degree in AMERICAN HISTORY!  Since you're obviously so fond of Latin America, perhaps there's an elective office waiting for you somewhere in Latin America? Oh wait, THEY have very rigid CITIZENSHIP and RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS down there.

In fact, your wife's home country (that'd be MEXICO) has a heavily defended FENCE across its SOUTHERN BORDER!

never mind

And I suggest that you other alleged Republicans read the thoughts of several of the Founding Fathers before the next election.

WASHINGTON ON IMMIGRATION "The policy or advantage of immigration taking place in a body (I mean the settling of them in a body) may be much questioned; for, by so doing, they retain the language, habits, and principles (good or bad) which they bring with them.  Whereas by an intermixture with our people, they, or their descendants, get assimilated to our customs, measures, laws; in a word, soon become one people." George Washington in a letter to John Adams

JEFFERSON ON IMMIGRATION "Every species of government has its specific principles. Ours perhaps are more peculiar than those of any other in the universe. It is a composition of the freest principles of the English constitution, with others derived from natural right and natural reason. To these nothing can be more opposed than the maxims of absolute monarchies. Yet, from such, we are to expect the greatest number of emigrants. They will bring with them the principles of the governments they leave, imbibed in their early youth; or, if able to throw them off, it will be in exchange for an unbounded licentiousness, passing, as is usual, from one extreme to another. It would be a miracle were they to stop precisely at the point of temperate liberty. These principles, with their language, they will transmit to their children. In proportion to their numbers, they will share with us the legislation. They will infuse into it their spirit, warp and bias its direction, and render it a heterogeneous, incoherent, distracted mass." That xenophobic radical, Thomas Jefferson

Mr. Jefferson's concerns go right to the heart of the questions of uncontrolled immigration and, in Obozo's case,  natural born citizenship, don't they?

12 posted on 04/15/2014 6:03:19 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (Ignorance is NOT BLISS. It is the ROAD TO SERFDOM! We're on a ROAD TRIP!!)
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

We can’t count on the Republican Party on immigration reform. There are too many traitors in both Houses. Take a look at the Senate: http://www.cis.org/renshon/immigration-reform-republican-controlled-senate-pt-1

“The original 2013 Senate immigration bill was passed in the 18-member Senate Judiciary Committee, which is split 10(D) and 8 (R), with three Republican votes: Graham (S.C.), Flake (Ariz.), and Hatch (Utah).

The full Senate is currently divided 52 Democrats, 46 Republicans, and 2 independents. The immigration bill passed by a vote of 68-32. In that vote, all 52 Democrats voted yes, both independents voted with the Democrats, and 14 of the 46 Republicans voted with the Democrats.”

And now Cantor is working to sneak in a bill “under the radar”.


13 posted on 04/15/2014 6:05:01 PM PDT by JT Hatter (Who is Barack Obama? And What is He Really Up To?)
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To: ObamahatesPACoal
last Sunday, he described immigrants who come to the United States illegally looking for work as having committed an “act of love.”

Clive Bundy provides for his family by grazing cattle on "public land". Would Jeb agree that that is also an "act of love"?

14 posted on 04/15/2014 6:05:01 PM PDT by kevao (Biblical Jesus: Give your money to the poor. Socialist Jesus: Give your neighbor's money to the poor)
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To: ObamahatesPACoal
Before Obama used the phrase "fundamentally change America" Bush used the phrase "new America". Obama, the GOPe, and the dems are finishing GW's dream...

For Bush it means a whole "new America". His dream.

THE "NEW AMERICAN"
..........<

We are now one of the largest Spanish-speaking nations in the world. We're a major source of Latin music, journalism and culture.

Just go to Miami, or San Antonio, Los Angeles, Chicago or West New York, New Jersey ... and close your eyes and listen. You could just as easily be in Santo Domingo or Santiago, or San Miguel de Allende.

For years our nation has debated this change -- some have praised it and others have resented it. By nominating me, my party has made a choice to welcome the new America.

Our future cannot be separated from the future of Latin America.

As I speak, we are celebrating the success of democracy in Mexico.

George Bush from a campaign speech in Miami, August 2000.

You can read the speech here.

Here is an excerpt of a good critique of that speech:

In equating our intimate historic bonds to our mother country and to Canada with our ties to Mexico, W. shows a staggering ignorance of the civilizational facts of life. The reason we are so close to Britain and Canada is that we share with them a common historical culture, language, literature, and legal system, as well as similar standards of behavior, expectations of public officials, and so on. My Bush Epiphany By Lawrence Auster

15 posted on 04/15/2014 6:08:32 PM PDT by raybbr (Obamacare needs a death panel.)
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To: All

A solid majority of ALL US citizens want illegal border crossings stopped. ‘Nuff said.


16 posted on 04/15/2014 6:09:10 PM PDT by QuisCustodiet1776 (Live free or die.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

17 posted on 04/15/2014 6:09:56 PM PDT by ObamahatesPACoal
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

Supporting illegals and amnesty means supporting treason; rewarding the breaking of our laws; taking jobs from Americans; and applauding the destruction of our country.


18 posted on 04/15/2014 6:11:09 PM PDT by apocalypto
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

I’m moderate on immigration too.

No deal at all on immigration till the border is truly secure and then we can talk about immigration and not before. After all, talk of amnesty is kind of pointless when illegals make amnesty for themselves by coming right back after they’re deported.

Seems pretty moderate to me.


19 posted on 04/15/2014 6:11:57 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

One of the other threads saw a poster say he had read Pat Buchanan’s books, books like “Death of a Superpower”. Chances are, people don’t know what is going on but there are many good sources including Buchanan’s books to see what is going on and has already occurred from what I read at least, in California. I don’t personally know but I do read.


20 posted on 04/15/2014 6:12:17 PM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: ObamahatesPACoal
The GOP wing of the Democrat party.
21 posted on 04/15/2014 6:13:05 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The best way to control opposition is to lead it ourselves." -- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin)
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To: dandiegirl
By their acts our government has proven themselves totally illegitimate.

Its too bad we can't dissolve it on the spot and hold new mid term elections, as in other countries.

But I don't have confidence that our stupid fellow voters fully appreciate the dire situation our government has put us in.

22 posted on 04/15/2014 6:14:04 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

I fully support legal immigration.


23 posted on 04/15/2014 6:14:37 PM PDT by kaehurowing (FIGHT BULLYING, UNINSTALL FIREFOX)
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

Well they are also disliked for other reasons. “Bad” numbers are much more complicated than “do you like this or not”.

But, sadly, the numbers are likely correct. We Tea Party do a very poor job of coordinating our message which is fairly well stamped out by the GOPs. Oh WE get the message here, but we are but a small sample.

Can’t say I am the least bit surprised.


24 posted on 04/15/2014 6:27:03 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

Maybe the RINO moderates will find enough moderates to maintain
the House and take the Senate.

However, pass amnesty and millions of conservatives will stay home.
We shall see how that works out for the RINO’s.


25 posted on 04/15/2014 6:31:06 PM PDT by tennmountainman (Just Say No To Obamacare)
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To: JT Hatter

What do you suggest? Elect more democrats?


26 posted on 04/15/2014 6:37:31 PM PDT by entropy12
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To: tennmountainman

Oh yes, keep staying home on election days. We do really need 8 more years of the Clintons. /sarc


27 posted on 04/15/2014 6:38:55 PM PDT by entropy12
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

It breaks down with the parties, however, I think if the country could have a national referendum on immigration with the public voting, I’m sure those who want full enforcement of current laws (meaning deport illegals, do not employ them, etc.) and a secured border would overwhelmingly win, I’d say 65% approximately.

So, corporate interests or something make some GOPe for it I suppose.


28 posted on 04/15/2014 6:43:00 PM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

Nate the Obuma Nazi troll needs to be reminded of the penalty for treason. And “following orders” is not an adequate defense.


29 posted on 04/15/2014 6:43:27 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

More lies and push polling from Radical Gay leftist and former Daily Koz Krackpot employee.


30 posted on 04/15/2014 6:49:04 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: VRWC For Truth

“Many Gelded Old Pansies are DemoCraps”

And some new ones too like ex Dem Ed Gillespie.


31 posted on 04/15/2014 7:06:11 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: entropy12

Keep nominating RINO’s and you will get the same result as Romney
and McCain. What part of that do you not understand?


32 posted on 04/15/2014 7:23:09 PM PDT by tennmountainman (Just Say No To Obamacare)
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To: cripplecreek
No deal at all on immigration till the border is truly secure

Even if they agreed to secure the border, they would do like they do on cutting spending -- kick that can down the road.

Spend now -- cut later;

Amnesty now -- secure the border later.

If they had any intention of securing the border, they could do it with existing laws. They won't; thus, their arguments are fraudulant.
33 posted on 04/15/2014 7:29:03 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

Just run Jeb Bush and Hilly Clinton on the same ticket. Will save the leftists, dems and rinos a lot of money.

The people will then have a real primary season to select the REAL candidate that challenges the Bush/Clinton ticket in the Presidential election.


34 posted on 04/15/2014 7:49:12 PM PDT by BlessingsofLiberty (Remember Brian Terry...)
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

Heh, I love the misdirection. An underwhelming minority become “many”.


35 posted on 04/15/2014 7:53:07 PM PDT by jameslalor
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To: entropy12

We could elect some actual conservatives.

Take my state for example. Tennessee. It’s a solid red state. But both our Senators — Alexander and Corker — voted for the Senate amnesty bill.

We need conservatives in the Senate and House. Not more RINOs and certainly not more Democrats.


36 posted on 04/15/2014 8:13:29 PM PDT by JT Hatter (Who is Barack Obama? And What is He Really Up To?)
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To: tennmountainman

Keep electing more Obama’s, Reid’s, Schumer’s, and California democrats and all illegals will be quickly disappear..../sarc


37 posted on 04/15/2014 9:33:48 PM PDT by entropy12
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
Oh look, it's Nate Silver, on whom we all rely for ideological guidance. /sarc
38 posted on 04/15/2014 10:56:12 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (When will the Paultards be purged? https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

We have NO problem with LEGAL immigration.


39 posted on 04/16/2014 5:32:01 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: entropy12

Then I suggest the GOP not nominate another RINO.
We have tried the RINO way. It does not work.


40 posted on 04/16/2014 3:32:33 PM PDT by tennmountainman (Just Say No To Obamacare)
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To: tennmountainman

People vote to nominate, nominee is not appointed by the GOPe.


41 posted on 04/16/2014 4:17:10 PM PDT by entropy12
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To: entropy12

If the GOP nominee is a RINO,
It will be the same result as McLame and Romney go.
We have tried it your way. The RINO way does not work.


42 posted on 04/16/2014 4:36:06 PM PDT by tennmountainman (Just Say No To Obamacare)
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