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VIDEO: Ukrainian Army Armored Column Defects To Pro-Russians In Kramatorsk
Youtube/Twitter ^ | 4-16-2014 | TCRLAF

Posted on 04/16/2014 12:58:27 AM PDT by tcrlaf

Seen several tweets of this over the last hour, and now this vid of the defection is posted on YouTube.

The column had apparently been surrounded by several hundred pro-Russian civilians inside of Kramatorsk, with several older women linked arm-in-arm to prevent it's passing

At about 8:50, you can see the commander arguing with someone on the phone..


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KEYWORDS: civilwar; newrussia; novorossiya; russia; ukraine
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A HUGE development, apparently.

Still unconfirmed by anything other than a several tweets, yet.

1 posted on 04/16/2014 12:58:28 AM PDT by tcrlaf
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To: tcrlaf

“A HUGE development, apparently.”

Likely another fake like the “US citizen” nonsense and Mi-8 shot down (yes, shot down, in Syria:).


2 posted on 04/16/2014 1:01:44 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: tcrlaf

Another Tweet:

“OK, it seems the APCs may have been seized by pro-#Russia crowd rather than defecting per se.”

Ukrainians may have “Surrendered” the tanks to the unarmed crowd.

Just in from work, will check for more in the morning.

Another tweet just now:
Ukrainian APCs taken over by pro-russia “civilians” being driven from Kramatorsk to Slaviansk


3 posted on 04/16/2014 1:03:32 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: tcrlaf
Raniah Salloum 49m One of the six tanks of the Ukranian army that I just saw in Kramatorsk that switched sides. Now w Russian flag.
4 posted on 04/16/2014 1:07:01 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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Another tweet. They are coming fast now. Russiain flag spotted on army armored vehicles in east Ukraine
5 posted on 04/16/2014 1:09:38 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: tcrlaf

pro-Russian activists disarm the “National Guard” of Ukraine (Artemovsk city)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdH8OEpDY0k
You can see local police on side of “separatists”. Most of these people are too old and obviously non-military looking, contrary to claims of them being a Russian personnel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUm2AjU2Jfw
Amateur footage has apparently captured the moment pro-Russian activists in a Lada confronted a Ukrainian tank.

The car’s occupants pursue the tank across a field - purportedly in the Donetsk town of Sloviansk - and instruct its driver to “turn the engine off”.

Eventually, the tank driver shakes the hand of one of the crowd and switches the engine off.


6 posted on 04/16/2014 1:11:18 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: tcrlaf
Yet another tweet: Breaking! German tv: Defected Ukrainian troops now fight under Russian flag
7 posted on 04/16/2014 1:11:52 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: tcrlaf

Number “847” in the above pic was in the video, too.


8 posted on 04/16/2014 1:12:53 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: tcrlaf

Strangely, when I hear of the troubles in Ukraine, I think about the U.S. with a growing sense of consternation.


9 posted on 04/16/2014 1:13:25 AM PDT by Jagdgewehr (It will take blood.)
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To: wetphoenix

“Most of these people are too old and obviously non-military looking, contrary to claims of them being a Russian personnel.”

According to the pro-junta posters on FR, these are obviously the Old Lady Spetnaz Brigade, being paid by Putin.


10 posted on 04/16/2014 1:14:44 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: tcrlaf

It is clear to me that apart from politicians and radical crowd in Kiev the rest of Ukrainians aren’t in a mood to either fight the Russians, let alone to engage in a civil war against each other.


11 posted on 04/16/2014 1:23:49 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

“the rest of Ukrainians aren’t in a mood to either fight the Russians, let alone to engage in a civil war against each other.”

The only ones who seem willing to fight for the coup government are about 350 Right-Sector crazies, and a single Special Police unit from Lvov.


12 posted on 04/16/2014 1:29:19 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: tcrlaf
A BBC reporter is on the scene right now travelling with the convoy that you say defected.

He has a video of him reporting in front of the stopped convoy.

He has a video showing that the road is BLOCKED by a green van that was moved into the way.

He reports that the crowd is "curious not hostile".

One hour later, he reports: "Armed Pro Russians in ski masks and digital camouflage surround Ukrainian armoured vehicles in #kramatorsk. Crowd cheers."

An hour after that: "Stand off over - convoy has driven on"

His Twitter feed

13 posted on 04/16/2014 1:38:59 AM PDT by Corporate Democrat
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To: tcrlaf; All

First Western Source, The Nation’s Alec Luhn tweet:

“Talking to pro-Russian militia in Slaviansk. Where did you get the tanks? “They came to us””


14 posted on 04/16/2014 1:40:18 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: wetphoenix
Most of these people are too old and obviously non-military looking, contrary to claims of them being a Russian personnel.

Could be as simple as the mothers, grandmothers, etc., of the guys in the tanks ordering them to play differently with their toys.

15 posted on 04/16/2014 1:42:28 AM PDT by Mogger (Independence, better fuel economy and performance with American made synthetic oil.)
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To: tcrlaf

UK DAILY MAIL Now has an article up, with pics and video:

“Tanks and armoured personnel carriers occupied by pro-Russian insurgents and flying Russian flags have been seen entering cities in eastern Ukraine.

At least three were spotted driving through the eastern Ukraine city of Kramatorsk today, ridden by dozens of armed men in camouflage. Meanwhile there were reports of vehicles rolling into the city of Slovyansk, with the militias enthusiastically greeted at pro-Russian checkpoints.

The troops on those vehicles wore green camouflage uniforms, had automatic weapons and grenade launchers and at least one had the St. George ribbon attached to his uniform, which has become a symbol of the pro-Russian insurgency in eastern Ukraine.

One soldier, who identified himself only as Andrei, said the unit was part of the 25th brigade of Ukraine’s airborne forces and that they have switched to the side of the pro-Russian forces.”

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2605828/Tanks-bearing-Russian-flag-roll-cities-eastern-Ukraine-Vladimir-Putin-warns-country-brink-civil-war.html#ixzz2z2N25gbA
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16 posted on 04/16/2014 1:46:59 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: tcrlaf; All

Sorry, posting to all
UK DAILY MAIL Now has an article up, with pics and video:

“Tanks and armoured personnel carriers occupied by pro-Russian insurgents and flying Russian flags have been seen entering cities in eastern Ukraine.

At least three were spotted driving through the eastern Ukraine city of Kramatorsk today, ridden by dozens of armed men in camouflage. Meanwhile there were reports of vehicles rolling into the city of Slovyansk, with the militias enthusiastically greeted at pro-Russian checkpoints.

The troops on those vehicles wore green camouflage uniforms, had automatic weapons and grenade launchers and at least one had the St. George ribbon attached to his uniform, which has become a symbol of the pro-Russian insurgency in eastern Ukraine.

One soldier, who identified himself only as Andrei, said the unit was part of the 25th brigade of Ukraine’s airborne forces and that they have switched to the side of the pro-Russian forces.”

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2605828/Tanks-bearing-Russian-flag-roll-cities-eastern-Ukraine-Vladimir-Putin-warns-country-brink-civil-war.html#ixzz2z2N25gbA


17 posted on 04/16/2014 1:47:48 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: Corporate Democrat

“travelling with the convoy that you say defected.”

I didn’t say they defected, several hundreds live tweets did, and now, at least two western news organizations, as well.


18 posted on 04/16/2014 1:51:00 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: tcrlaf

The moment where the Russian flags are raised over the APCs.

It's clear if you watch the BBC video at 0:05 that the surroundings are the same, except now Russian flags are being raised.

Interestingly, many of the men are now masked. Unclear whether soldiers surrendered or defected. Maybe a little of both, considering that the convoy was blocked and surrounded by armed pro-Russians.

19 posted on 04/16/2014 2:38:18 AM PDT by Corporate Democrat
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To: tcrlaf

So, just out of curiosity, why do you cheer on an invasion of a sovereign nation?

You have Russian invading yet another country military. And you’re on freerepublic, a site occupied by those that love freedom and liberty, and you openly promote and cheer on the capture of a country.


20 posted on 04/16/2014 3:14:07 AM PDT by KOZ.
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To: KOZ.
We had a situation in Nevada last weekend when a rancher, Bundy, stood his ground against a federal agency which is over-reaching. He and his family were assuaulted by the feds. So, it's happened here that people have had to stand up to over-reaching federal authority. We all wonder what would happen if tanks from another part of the US were brought in to tell us how to run our lives.

I'd be an American babouska, out front! But it's taken courage all over the world for me to realize that.

The coup gov in Kiev was given an unbelieveable opportunity; they were handed a country to run. They botched it from day one when they outlawed Russian as an official language. And now, they're handing the remnants of a military they have left to people who don't want their "protection".

Does that answer your question? And yes, I've been on the side of the pro-Russians in eastern Ukraine. It's all about self-determination. Crimea is the only place where the people got to vote. How can Kiev's coup gov salvage something? How about pulling back the troops and having a popular vote?

21 posted on 04/16/2014 3:39:21 AM PDT by grania
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To: grania

They are not ‘pro-russians’, they are russian military attacking a sovereign nation.

Would you support someone coming into your house and declaring it theirs? storming it with a military and having a ‘vote’, and oh, surprise it’s now someone else’s.

Russia has attacked and taken over a country, they have stormed their bases, taken their ships, and killed troops. This is simply one country attacking another for it’s resources and land. It’s not about self-determination.

Kiev ‘coup’ was a group of students and others that risked their lives, 100 dead!!! to stave off tyrany.

How is defending your country a ‘coup’, but a one country attacking another and taking it’s land a ‘self-determination’?


22 posted on 04/16/2014 3:52:16 AM PDT by KOZ.
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To: KOZ.
Grandmas against tanks are “Russian army” invading Ukraine?
Please.
23 posted on 04/16/2014 3:55:23 AM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: kronos77

MSNBC told it, it can’t be wrong!.../s


24 posted on 04/16/2014 3:59:55 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: kronos77

The Crimean attack taking the ships, sub, sinking 3 ships, attacking with 80000 troops, tanks to make sure the election goes their way...those were all grannys right?

How about all those brave Russian soldiers with their unmarked uniforms storming Ukrainian gov’t buildings and taking airports? All grannys right?

Why do you Russians always support putin’s actions? A country is being taken over by force and you shamelessly support it, why?


25 posted on 04/16/2014 4:01:53 AM PDT by KOZ.
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To: tcrlaf

The truth is, we have no idea about the facts on the ground.

I suspect, people being what they are, that the number of residents of Ukraine (excluding Galicia and Volhynia) who will welcome the tanks is not inconsiderable.

We shall soon see.


26 posted on 04/16/2014 4:04:17 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: grania
“Pro-Russian” crowds are no bigger than 1-2 thousand people, even in +1 million people agglomerations. It is GRU’s action with commie grandmas used as human shields. It is clear for everyone except homo sovieticus. Mongoloids have been preparing that for years, likely Yanuk was put in charge in 2010 to allow that.
27 posted on 04/16/2014 4:06:57 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246
Oh, my Polish friend! How are you today?
What is happening? Was I right yesterday when I told you that Ukrainian army is deserting, and falling apart? Was I right when I said that there is no Russian invasion, but popular uprising against Kiev junta?
28 posted on 04/16/2014 4:11:32 AM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: tcrlaf

ROTFL!!! UKRAINE FAKE OUT!!!
The Apcs with Russian flags in Kramatorsk and Slavyansk went to Ukrainian military to penetrate in the part controlled by the separatists-Sobolev On APCs with Russian flags in Kramatorsk of Donetsk region slavyansk moved disguised Ukrainian military to infiltrate the part controlled by the armed separatists, said acting head of the faction of the “Batkivshchyna” Sergey Sobolev.

“It was an open statement. This is OUR ARMED UNITS Used guerrilla approach to ENTERING DIRECTLY into the parts that are currently controlled by the MILITARY FORCES OF RUSSIAN FEDERATION and the SEPARATISTS which THEY FUND, “said s. Sobolev at a briefing on Wednesday.

“I think this event will soon be known, literally, for an hour or three, and you’ll realize that this is, in fact, was a breakthrough, which thus ensured our units,” he added.

According to Sobolev, the official, which gave the acting Defense Minister.
http://interfax.com.ua/news/general/200966.html


29 posted on 04/16/2014 4:16:07 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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To: KOZ.
FReeRepublic has a very active pro-Putin Imperialism wing. Somehow they see Russian chauvinism and Putin's personal vast wealth as a conservative goal to enhance.
30 posted on 04/16/2014 4:16:17 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: kronos77

Tell him about Operation Storm and the Srebrenica massacre.


31 posted on 04/16/2014 4:17:58 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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Don’t know if they are just gullible pro-putin types, or full on putin bootlickers.
It’s hard to believe that anyone on FR could support a Russian invasion of a country.

Just look at this idiot’s posts....no proof of Russian invasion. They not only invaded, but conducted elections. They announced it and supported.

He’s not blind, but purposefully deceiving and lying.


32 posted on 04/16/2014 4:21:10 AM PDT by KOZ.
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To: kronos77

Kronos77: I asked you a question:

Why do you Russians always support putin’s actions? A country is being taken over by force and you shamelessly support it, why?

Can you answer it? or are you going to run away like your other Russian friends?


33 posted on 04/16/2014 4:22:23 AM PDT by KOZ.
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To: KOZ.

It depends on your definition of country.

Lines on a map are meaningless


34 posted on 04/16/2014 4:23:38 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: KOZ.

...maybe because Russians elected Putin? I dont know. The country was free and neutral - and that NATO-led coup removed elected president, and than junta lost control over country.


35 posted on 04/16/2014 4:24:26 AM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Wait, wait, wait....

Are you telling us that it is true that Ukrainian troops are hoisting Russian flag, but that is actually only to fool people so that army can pass true?

:)


36 posted on 04/16/2014 4:25:42 AM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: kronos77

It was not a NATO led coup....it was a bunch of students that overthrew a Russian government, and took back their country.

what do russians electing Putin have to do with Ukaine?

Are you advocating that one country can walk into another, and simply have a vote for succession?

If the Mexican military walked into Arizona, and had a vote for succession, would you be out there waving a Mexican flag?

You still won’t answer my question will you? Why do you support a Russian invasion of sovereign nation?


37 posted on 04/16/2014 4:31:50 AM PDT by KOZ.
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To: bert

~It depends on your definition of country.

Lines on a map are meaningless~

Not to mention Ukies makes a HUGE minority within Russia about as large as African Americans in US. One in five Russians bears Ukrainian lastname (-sky, -chuk, -cko etc).

An idea of some natural hate between Ukies and Ruskies is mostly a fiction.


38 posted on 04/16/2014 4:33:44 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: elhombrelibre
Any way you look at it, fascism is still fascism. And I hate fascism.

God bless Ukraine.

39 posted on 04/16/2014 4:36:23 AM PDT by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: KOZ.

“You have Russian invading yet another country military.”

Did you even read the article? They are all Ukrainians.

And which country has Russia invaded militarily? The Russian troops never crossed the border.

The Ukrainians do not want to join the EU. How hard is that to understand? Their government was just overthrown by the west and they’d rather join Russia than the EU. Obama’s plan gas backfired.


40 posted on 04/16/2014 4:36:30 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: KOZ.

~If the Mexican military walked into Arizona, and had a vote for succession, would you be out there waving a Mexican flag?~

Your parallels are far-fetched.
Russia and Ukraine are closer culturally, let alone US is not as corrupt as Mexico and none in a sane mind would opt for Mexico in Arizona, illegals included.
Ukraine is a failed country, it is yet to catch with Mexico in both freedom and opportunities.
Even their own troops are defecting at first opportunity because there are really nothing to fight for.


41 posted on 04/16/2014 4:38:39 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: BarnacleCenturion

~The Ukrainians do not want to join the EU. ~

And more important: EU doesn’t want too.


42 posted on 04/16/2014 4:39:43 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Have you even been following the situation?
80000 troops in Russia with tanks etc?

Why do you support a Russian invasion of Ukraine?
And why is it that all you Russians never answer that question?


43 posted on 04/16/2014 4:40:11 AM PDT by KOZ.
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To: wetphoenix

“Russia and Ukraine are closer culturally”

HOLY CRAP are you serious?

Russians have killed MILLIONS of Ukrainians! Why? for land. There is nothing close culturally with someone who wants you dead.

The example I gave is exactly the same. One country attacking another, and having a vote for succession.

So I’ll ask you too....Why do you Russians on FR support one country invading another?


44 posted on 04/16/2014 4:43:08 AM PDT by KOZ.
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To: kronos77
LOL ! I'm fine and I'm not your friend, soviet.

There's no “uprising”, all mongo propaganda is showing are crowds of up to a few hundred people, largely fakes, just like “US citizen” garbage you soviet posted several days ago. Anyway, I'm on a winning side no matter what is going to happen, your mongo buddies exposed themselves, even Gerries (you know “Nazis”, who broke Yugoslavia, somehow your mongo “brothers” have never had problems doing business with them) will not be able to lobby for Gazprom anymore. Too bad several thousand of people will probably die but as usual, all in the name of “slavic unity”. Now go watch some pictures of the shirtless Putin.

45 posted on 04/16/2014 4:46:05 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: tcrlaf
There is precedent for this.

When asked how many Ukrainian troops had defected to the Russian Armed Forces, Rozmaznin responded: “About fifty percent.”

Ukrainian military units are expected to depart Crimea through the town of Krasnoperekopsk on the Perekop Isthmus and the town of Chonhar in Kherson region.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2014/03/24/Ukraine-negotiating-troop-withdrawal-from-Crimea/5181395677491/

46 posted on 04/16/2014 4:47:38 AM PDT by McGruff
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To: KOZ.

Yeah, well Putin lied about the spetsnaz in Crimea and said they were just local guys who bought uniforms, maybe militia. Yes, we’ve got some real quislings on FReeRepublic. Maybe they’ll want the name changed to PUtinRepublic.


47 posted on 04/16/2014 4:49:17 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: Hoodat
Agree, and historically Russia under the Czars, Russia under the Communists, and the NAZIS have all brutalized the Ukrainians. It's odd that so many people on here put their fondness for Putin above the legitimate aspirations of the Ukrainian people.
48 posted on 04/16/2014 4:54:29 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: KOZ.

~Russians have killed MILLIONS of Ukrainians! Why? for land. There is nothing close culturally with someone who wants you dead~

If you are referring to so-called ‘Holodomor’ how has you confirmed an ethnicity of the killers?
Has Russians (or Poles, or Jews) killed by Ukrainian nationals wearing either KGB or Nazi uniform hold the entire nation of Ukraine responsible?
And as soon as communism seems to be the problem why won’t we point fingers at Germans and start to hate them because it was their secret service who sent Bolshevics to Russia and paid for their activity to push for a communist takeover and knock Russia out of WWI?
Would Russia and Ukraine invade Germany to punish it once again for such an atrocity, which led to so many deaths and misery through the world since 1917?
Or maybe we would dig Marx out of his grave and impose some sort of muslim punishment upon his body?


49 posted on 04/16/2014 4:55:32 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: KOZ.

Man, easy, all that we see is that junta from Kiev sent troops against civilians, and troops refused to act against citizens of their own.

What invasion? In Crimea - true. In Ukraine, east Ukraine - non of that. Just people against government.


50 posted on 04/16/2014 5:11:13 AM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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