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Israel and Russia are getting along. Have the neocons noticed?
The Week ^ | 4/16/2014 | Michael Brendan Dougherty

Posted on 04/16/2014 8:45:25 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist

Russia and Israel seem to have a growing affinity for each other. A few weeks ago, Israel abstained from a vote in the UN censuring Russia for its invasion of Ukraine. The Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported [link at URL] that this is a sore spot for the White House and a diplomatic novum on the world scene.

A senior Israeli official said that Israel's absence from the United Nations vote was viewed around the world as an extremely irregular measure, a departure from a long-standing Israeli policy of voting with the United States in the UN. While the Americans viewed Israel's behavior as ungrateful, in light of Washington's unshakable support for Jerusalem in the UN, in the Kremlin and in the Russian media Israel's action was seen as an expression of support for Moscow, or at the very least a lack of opposition for the invasion of Ukraine. [Haartez].

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This also wouldn't be the first time that there was a significant split on an international question between American neoconservatives and Israel's leaders. Just compare how Netanyahu felt [link at URL] about the Arab Spring to the feeling of the neoconservatives [link at URL]. For the former it was a nightmare, for the latter, a dream come true.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Israel; News/Current Events; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: arabspring; assad; billkristol; foxnews; graham; hannity; iran; israel; kerry; kristol; lebanon; lindseygraham; mccain; mubarak; neocons; netanyahu; ntsa; obama; paleolibs; putin; putinsbuttboys; schumer; seanhannity; syria; talkradio; un; unitednations; weaklystandard
And therein lies the rub: The Arab Spring. A disaster for Israel - and in reality for the U.S., too - even though Obama and his allies might not believe this to be the case? Before the Arab Spring, Israel had good relations with Egypt (and much better than now) even though Mubarak was a monstrous plutocrat. Plutocrat that he was, the Arab Spring - hailed by the Obama administration - brought in the Muslim Brotherhood to power in Egypt - which Obama allies called "largely secular" even though israel knew this to be false.

The Arab Spring also brought the also-monstrous Assad to the brink of being ousted... But Isreal surely could see that when Obama was about to intervene with bombings, this would help extremist Syrian rebels, and they surely thought they would be worse for Israel than Assad ever was.

Perhaps Israel sees this as a continuation of the "Arab Spring." If so, that would explain their vote. And I believe that is what is occuring...

1 posted on 04/16/2014 8:45:25 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Israel got tired of the US working against its interest. Blame Clinton and Kerry.


2 posted on 04/16/2014 8:47:14 AM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist; caww; tcrlaf; little jeremiah; Count of Monte Fisto

Oops...

Good link:

http://theweek.com/article/index/260033/israel-and-russia-are-getting-along-have-the-neocons-noticed


3 posted on 04/16/2014 8:49:17 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Simple.....the Israeli’s trust the Russsian, Putin more then they trust Israel hater, POTUS, “I love the Muslim Brotherhood” Obama!!!


4 posted on 04/16/2014 8:49:18 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX ( My only objective is to defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!.)
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To: Bogey78O

Maybe old memories are recurring. While the US was the first nation to recognize the State of Israel, the Soviet recognition followed in about ten minutes.


5 posted on 04/16/2014 8:49:28 AM PDT by xkaydet65 (.You have never tasted freedom, else you would know it is purchased not with gold but with steel)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

They just realize America can no longer be trusted due to the antisemitic liberals in power and the cowardly ‘opposition’ party that empowers them. And they likely won’t trust us ever again.

They see Russia as a better and more stable option as a partner. I do not blame them a bit but I am sorry it had to be this way.


6 posted on 04/16/2014 8:50:16 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

It seems they dislike this regime as much as I do.


7 posted on 04/16/2014 8:51:36 AM PDT by wattsgnu
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
This also wouldn't be the first time that there was a significant split on an international question between American neoconservatives and Israel's leaders.

Israel's leaders recognize Obama as a feckless leader. They are choosing to align themselves with Putin who is not.

8 posted on 04/16/2014 8:53:19 AM PDT by oldbrowser
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Can’t get it to load. Too much truth?


9 posted on 04/16/2014 8:55:31 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

ty!


10 posted on 04/16/2014 8:56:03 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: Norm Lenhart
The Arab Spring, looking back, surely must be seen as a disaster.

The Muslim Brotherhood is “largely secular.” Please. I bet that Netanyahu must have chucked his cookies when he heard those two words connected to the Muslim Brotherhood. Israel seems to have seen right through what really happened in Egypt with the Arab Spring.

11 posted on 04/16/2014 8:56:31 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

The present administration picked sides in the Arab vs Israeli conflict, and the Arabs came out on top. Should Israel stand by our side while we aid and abet their enemies? Hardly.


12 posted on 04/16/2014 8:56:33 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Sodomy and abortion: the only constitutional "rights" cherished by Democrats.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist; All

Good link:

http://theweek.com/article/index/260033/israel-and-russia-are-getting-along-have-the-neocons-noticed


13 posted on 04/16/2014 9:00:49 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

“Simple.....the Israeli’s trust the Russsian, Putin more then they trust Israel hater, POTUS, “I love the Muslim Brotherhood” Obama!!!”

I think that sums it up nicely. It doesn’t take a genius to see which side Obama favors. For a “Christian”, he sure does spend an awful lot of time promoting Muslim causes...


14 posted on 04/16/2014 9:01:00 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Sodomy and abortion: the only constitutional "rights" cherished by Democrats.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Seems they don’t trust our leader’s “Muslim faith”.


15 posted on 04/16/2014 9:01:31 AM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Psalm 144

Sorry bout’ that. Good link up and running...


16 posted on 04/16/2014 9:01:41 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: CitizenUSA

That last sentence speaks volumes...


17 posted on 04/16/2014 9:02:52 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

If the Russians are smart, they’ll cozy up to Israel... with it’s large ex-Soviet population and vast technology experience... and build an alliance. The problem is that when Putin is gone, I have a hard time seeing Russia get over it’s built-in Jew hatred. Scratch a Russian and a Jew hater is right underneath. I wish that would change, but it is what it is.


18 posted on 04/16/2014 9:06:27 AM PDT by DesScorp
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Got it, and great post.


19 posted on 04/16/2014 9:07:41 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

As long as I can remember which goes back to childhood in the early1930s, there have always been a significant number of ‘Russian Jews’ in the USA. I can recall the Rabi’s wife bringing food to my mother after my father’s death even though my mother was from the old Czarist bunch of Russians.


20 posted on 04/16/2014 9:09:20 AM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I think history will show that everyone saw through it. the problem is that no one has the guts to oppose the mainstreaming of islam because every one of these countries has hit the tipping point where opposition to it equals rioting, dead native citizens and the associated fall from power for the people who allowed it.

So in a classic case of kicking the can, they pretend fantasy is reality and take out their frustrations on a classic scapegoat.


21 posted on 04/16/2014 9:09:59 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Well, duh.

Obama is Israel’s enemy.


22 posted on 04/16/2014 9:10:38 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Christie are sure losers. No more!)
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To: DesScorp

It looks like Israel is the one quietly cozying up to Russia, not the other way around, given what the Obama administration has shown a penchant for.

And I imagine that Netanyahu, or whomever is at the helm, will take another look at this recent ‘getting along’ after Putin is gone.


23 posted on 04/16/2014 9:18:05 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

If Israel’s now virtually surrounded by radicalized Muslim fundies, it’s largely their own fault, having lobbied so long and hard for the demolition of Saddam’s secular regime in Iraq. Israel pushed over the first domino, unleashing uncontained muslim fanaticism on themselves and the rest of the world. They thought they were getting payback for those scud attacks in the first Gulf War. I hope they’re satisfied.


24 posted on 04/16/2014 9:18:31 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Romulus

Magnesium level stupidity. What reality are you from?


25 posted on 04/16/2014 9:21:52 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
If you look carefully, Russia and Israel have been getting along for well more than a decade now. Passport travel between is very easy and Russian Jews have a notable presence in Israel.

Russia launches many Israeli satellites including defense purposed units.

The few disagreements are negotiated to solution by adults.

26 posted on 04/16/2014 9:22:16 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Faithful are the wounds of a friend, But deceitful are the kisses of an enemy. Proverbs 27:6


27 posted on 04/16/2014 9:28:19 AM PDT by Psalm_2 (Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. Romans 12:21 NASB)
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To: Navy Patriot

Excellent points, and great insight as well.


28 posted on 04/16/2014 9:29:12 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Norm Lenhart

The Iraq was was a disaster, for us and for Israel, even though they worked so hard for it. I wish it were only a matter of the trillion dollars we blew on it, but even worse are the regional destabilization and islamist radicalization, which will outlast our lifetimes.


29 posted on 04/16/2014 9:31:09 AM PDT by Romulus
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Interesting viewpoint.

First of all, the issue isn't the relationship between neo-conservative (I recognize that to many people that's code for Jews) and Israel, it's the US and Israel.

The administration has already indicated we may not support Israel in the UN, pending their concessions to a local terror state.

Amongst nations receiving US aid, Heritage Foundation:Foreign Aid Recipients Vote Against the U.S., Israel stands out as the only recipient voting with the US a majority of the time, 90.6%, and on important issues one of four over 50% at 95.2%. I don't know if the Ukraine is an important issue.

So Israel, larger than Metropolitan Miama but smaller than Chicago is criticized for abstaining on a vote relating to the regions new power. Those other three nations, Micronesia, Georgia and the Ukraine. The two latter show what support in UN is worth in the region.

IMO it's a lot of chatter about nothing. Other than a reason for the left to attack Israel. It's an example of the lefts double standards. Israel abstains, and becomes a target. Can anyone provide me with articles attacking the other 57 abstentions? Or the 11 no s for that matter.

30 posted on 04/16/2014 9:38:52 AM PDT by SJackson (the Democrats take back control, we don’t make (this) kind of naked power grab, J Biden)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
The last notable disagreement between Russia and Israel was about high tech weaponry delivered to Georgia.

At that time, Russia was less able to deal with US/NATO Western MSM propaganda whitewashing Georgian atrocities toward ethnic Russians in South Ossetia province. Israel was providing drones and intelligence to Georgia.

31 posted on 04/16/2014 9:40:45 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: SJackson

Yes, “neo-con” is a code word for Jews in nearly all instances. And those delighting in the state of Israel not voting with the US on this don’t realize that Putin is already supplying Iran with advanced weapons (including a nuclear reactor and the ability to enrich uranium) and Syria. He’s not Israel’s buddy no matter what the Putinistas say or think. And he’s not a defender of Christ.


32 posted on 04/16/2014 9:44:08 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: Romulus

Iraq was a disaster because Bush caved to liberals and refused to fight it like a war. Fact.

You blame Israel for Iraq and in the same post admit the scuds...

Brilliant.


33 posted on 04/16/2014 9:45:59 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I’ve always wondered about the cognitive dissonance that neoconservatives must experience when they see their hero Avigdor Lieberman buddy up with their bugbear Putin. It must be enough to make Bill Kristol’s thick head spin like a top.


34 posted on 04/16/2014 10:03:06 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

>Israel abstained from a vote in the UN censuring Russia for its invasion of Ukraine.

Good on Israel. There was and is no “invasion of Ukraine” by Russia.

While the US is backing islamic terrorism and the moslem brotherhoodlums, Russia at least attempts to keep the 7th century barbarians at bay.


35 posted on 04/16/2014 10:06:07 AM PDT by soycd
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To: soycd
There was and is no “invasion of Ukraine” by Russia.

No annexation, either? Whew, I was worried the Russians might have invaded, or something.

36 posted on 04/16/2014 10:53:01 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

If israel decides to trust Russia and sell them our secrets, well whatever happens is on them.


37 posted on 04/16/2014 11:06:05 AM PDT by dontgivein
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

RE: Russia and Israel seem to have a growing affinity for each other.

So, Israel is going to stay silent on the Ukrainian encroachment?

What if Russia does the same to Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania? Israel will stay silent too?


38 posted on 04/16/2014 11:46:18 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Perhaps Israel sees this as a continuation of the "Arab Spring." If so, that would explain their vote. And I believe that is what is occurring...

I think it's a much simpler explanation.

I think Israel has made a reasonable choice to change the geopolitical relationship with the US as the direct result of the anti-Israel Obama Administration.

39 posted on 04/16/2014 11:49:57 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: SeekAndFind
What if Russia does the same to Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania? Israel will stay silent too?

They're already member states of the European Union, so there won't be any "spontaneous internal movement" to join the EU.

Lithuania is a relatively thriving economy, it's biggest import and export partner is Russia.

Russia exports FAR more than it imports from Lithuania.

This silly warmongering over Russia not risking losing its naval port in Sevastopol - which it's had since 1783 - is always filled with no economic facts, just fanciful couch potato war games.

The only reason for wars in the last 200 years is because a few elite globalists want to redraw national boundries.
40 posted on 04/16/2014 12:22:37 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

To the Israelis, the motives of Putin and the Russians are predictable. With predictability comes the ability to plan and manage risk.


41 posted on 04/16/2014 1:21:46 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: dontgivein

which is why we should not concession Israel by releasing the convicted spy J. Pollard.


42 posted on 04/16/2014 1:23:20 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

All the above posts are valid, but there is one small one that everyone seems to be forgetting. To see it, one must follow the “money trail” and in this case, that trail leads to: OIL & GAS. Just off the coast of Israel lays the 3rd largest oil shale formation in the world with some estimates of up to 4.6 trillion barrels of oil. My guess, Mr. Skittles, in his esteemed infinite wisdom, deemed that Israel is unworthy of such wealth & natural resources and will not work with them to provide the technology, etc. to help extract it. Russia, on the other hand, wants as much of it as they can get their grimmy little hands on as does Canada. If that means developing a nice, cozy relationship with the Israelis...so be it. Putin has visited there for this purpose a couple of times now. Meanwhile, the USA is slowing being shown the door in many ways. We direly need new leadership so bad.


43 posted on 04/16/2014 3:09:29 PM PDT by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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Russia's threat against Israel is to up the amount of aid it gives to the terrorist regime in Iran -- apparently the faux-conservative paleolibs haven't noticed.
44 posted on 04/16/2014 3:42:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Norm Lenhart; Romulus
Magnesium level stupidity. What reality are you from?

Ditto.
45 posted on 04/17/2014 1:18:34 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: Bogey78O

Agreed. I also see what Prime Minister Netanyahu is doing as far as a relationship with the United States government, as treating our current administration and its leader for what it is; pure reckless stupidity and lunacy, and a complete waste of time and energy. You probably already know that Mr. Netanyahu is an M.I.T. graduate and is vastly intellectually superior, and also has immense military and political knowledge and wisdom from his years in the Israeli military and political posts.

The political and/or military discussions (albeit likely short ones) that Prime Minister Netanyahu has with Vladimir Putin—who is no intellectual slouch himself, are not in any way because the Israeli PM trusts Putin; it is because the PM is “keeping friends close, enemies closer”. He is information-mining, and Putin is doing the same. I think that the PM may trick Putin into doing some things that are positive for both Israel and the Middle East—but Netanyahu also knows that Putin will say one thing and do the exact opposite, do whatever he wants to do, the Russian invasion and takeovers will not stop with Crimea and Ukraine, and he knows that Putin has already purposed in his mind to invade Israel with the military support of several Arab countries. Obama is standing aside from Russia because he has already made a deal with Putin; if the United States stays completely out of the situation (aside from some weak-as-water sanctions and a bit of military posturing to fool the masses), Putin has agreed to give the United States a percentage of the oil, gas, land/mineral, ports and strategic resources, once Vladimir has accomplished Israel’s capture and control. Of course we also know that as a Muslim, Obama hates the Jewish people and longs for their destruction.

God will protect Israel from the attack, slaughter all but 1/6th of the invading forces, and destroy Russia. Israel will spend the next seven years burning the weapons and burying the bodies.

I would bet Obama and Putin haven’t considered such a scenario for a second.


46 posted on 04/21/2014 10:09:00 AM PDT by Patriot777 (Imagine....that we could see Obama being hauled out of the White House kicking and screaming?)
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