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Pro-Russians Take Control of Ukrainian Troop Carriers
reuters.com ^ | Apr 16, 2014 | THOMAS GROVE AND GABRIELA BACZYNSKA

Posted on 04/16/2014 9:17:47 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion

(Reuters) - Armored personal carriers driven into the eastern Ukrainian city of Slaviansk had been under the control of Ukrainian armed forces earlier on Wednesday, pictures taken by Reuters photographers showed.

A soldier guarding one of six troop carriers now under the control of pro-Russian separatists told Reuters he was a member of Ukraine's 25th paratrooper division from Dnipropetrovsk.

"All the soldiers and the officers are here. We are all boys who won't shoot our own people," said the soldier, whose uniform did not have any identifying markings on it.

"They haven't fed us for three days on our base. They're feeding us here. Who do you think we are going to fight for?," he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cia; civilwar; georgesoros; johnbrennan; johnkerry; randpaul; russia; slaviansk; ukraine

1 posted on 04/16/2014 9:17:47 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: BarnacleCenturion

“”They haven’t fed us for three days on our base. They’re feeding us here. Who do you think we are going to fight for?,” he said.”

Meanwhile, the planeloads of American MRE’s are being sold on the Internet, and by vendors on the streets of Kiev.

A perfect example of the corruption that is tearing Ukraine apart.


2 posted on 04/16/2014 9:19:44 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

“Israel and Russia are getting along. Have the neocons noticed?”

http://theweek.com/article/index/260033/israel-and-russia-are-getting-along-have-the-neocons-noticed


3 posted on 04/16/2014 9:20:11 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: BarnacleCenturion

One side has the will, military power and leadership; the other has rhetoric.


4 posted on 04/16/2014 9:28:08 AM PDT by allendale
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To: tcrlaf

Its a civil war. If Russia wants to hang that albatross around their own necks, so be it.


5 posted on 04/16/2014 9:32:01 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: allendale

One side has the will, military power and leadership; the other has rhetoric.

****

Not rhetoric alone, but the politically correct position on the LGBT community and One World Order. And spiffy yellow armbands.


6 posted on 04/16/2014 9:33:05 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
they feed us here

And people laughed about the protests led by babushkas

7 posted on 04/16/2014 9:35:01 AM PDT by grania
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To: tcrlaf
Meanwhile, the planeloads of American MRE’s are being sold on the Internet, and by vendors on the streets of Kiev. A perfect example of the corruption that is tearing Ukraine apart.

If true, the Ukrainian military is making the ARVN look like a model of probity.

8 posted on 04/16/2014 9:35:05 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Have the Ukers put up even one fight yet, other than pushing and shoving and name-calling? Evidently they have nothing worth fighting and dying for?


9 posted on 04/16/2014 9:37:12 AM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great -- until it happens to YOU..)
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To: Migraine

Sounds like they want NATO to do their fighting for them.


10 posted on 04/16/2014 9:37:55 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: tcrlaf

I think we sent the MREs because they could be termed “non-lethal” assistance. Opinions vary on that.


11 posted on 04/16/2014 9:40:36 AM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great -- until it happens to YOU..)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

It would be interesting to find out how many of these people are ethnic Russians. During Yugoslavia’s wars of partition, the army broke up into its ethnic components almost from the start. Slovenes, Croats and Bosnians quickly hived away into the Territorial Defense units (i.e. their equivalent of National Guard units), bringing their equipment and ammo with them, or remained as agents-in-place in the Yugoslav People’s Army. It may be necessary for Ukraine to disarm and demobilize the ethnic Russians currently in the its military.


12 posted on 04/16/2014 9:43:24 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Another difficulty lies with Ukrainian soldiers who are married to ethnic Russians, and therefore susceptible to being suborned.


13 posted on 04/16/2014 9:45:59 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Migraine

“Have the Ukers put up even one fight yet, other than pushing and shoving and name-calling?”

As the events have proven, the only reliable forces the regime can count on to fight are about 350-500 Right Sector thugs, and a single Special Police unit from Lvov.

And they dare not send the Right Sector militia far from Kiev, lest things get out of hand there again.

Bottom line is that the people don’t want a fight, and are trying to avoid it. Meanwhile, Right Sector/Svoboda is screaming for blood, pushed on by DC.

Pretty sad state of affairs, and much of it is the fault of our government.


14 posted on 04/16/2014 9:47:26 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: Zhang Fei

15 posted on 04/16/2014 9:47:32 AM PDT by Bobalu (Four Cokes And A Fried Chicken)
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To: Migraine

Have the Ukers put up even one fight yet, other than pushing and shoving and name-calling?

*************

They burned some cops alive early on, and then the putschists killed one of their own. Sort of a Himmler v. Rohm ex-lovers spat I assume. Dead guy’s supporters put on masks and broke windows in Kiev.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNtwgT89GZc
Ukraine definitely belongs in the EU.


16 posted on 04/16/2014 9:50:56 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

The Maidan regime can rely only on Western Ukrainian army units who would be fighting in hostile territory. The point is it can’t enforce its sovereignty. And its understandable why officers and soldiers from Dnipropetrovsk are unwilling to fight and die for them.


17 posted on 04/16/2014 10:19:10 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Zhang Fei

Ethnic Ukrainians in the East speak Russian and are not overly fond of Kiev. The region has an overall ethnic Ukrainian majority but every one speaks and understands Russian. Its a world away from Ukrainian-speaking Lvov, the center of the Maidan.


18 posted on 04/16/2014 10:23:18 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
Ethnic Ukrainians in the East speak Russian and are not overly fond of Kiev. The region has an overall ethnic Ukrainian majority but every one speaks and understands Russian. Its a world away from Ukrainian-speaking Lvov, the center of the Maidan.

Slovenes, Croats and Bosnians all speak Serbian. But they broke away from a Serb-dominated Yugoslavia, anyway. Plenty of ethnic Czechs spoke German, but they identified with Czechoslovakia rather than Austria.

19 posted on 04/16/2014 10:51:04 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei
"Another difficulty lies with Ukrainian soldiers who are married to ethnic Russians, and therefore susceptible to being suborned."

Yup, them people who get along with one another are the real reason people can't get along with one another and they're obvious threat to the "leadership". A "leadership" who couldn't wait on elections but now want others to wait on elections and who said the people they threw out were imposing their will by force but who now freak out because they can't impose their will by force.

You do realize you're claiming the Keystone Cops are the rightful rulers of the Ukraine, don't you?

20 posted on 04/16/2014 10:55:14 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin
Yup, them people who get along with one another are the real reason people can't get along with one another and they're obvious threat to the "leadership". A "leadership" who couldn't wait on elections but now want others to wait on elections and who said the people they threw out were imposing their will by force but who now freak out because they can't impose their will by force. You do realize you're claiming the Keystone Cops are the rightful rulers of the Ukraine, don't you?

By your reasoning, Western Europe ought to be German territory, because their leadership was incompetent during the run-up to WWII.

21 posted on 04/16/2014 11:08:18 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: cripplecreek

exactly.


22 posted on 04/16/2014 11:46:53 AM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: Zhang Fei

People in northern Yugoslavia spoke and wrote their languages in the Western alphabet. In Serbia they speak and write it in Cyrillic alphabet.


23 posted on 04/16/2014 12:03:06 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Zhang Fei

And before much longer, they probably will be in all but name because they still all have incompentent leadership.


24 posted on 04/16/2014 12:09:16 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: tcrlaf
"We are all boys who won't shoot our own people," said the soldier

Better than our own at Waco.

25 posted on 04/16/2014 3:21:02 PM PDT by PatHimself
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To: BarnacleCenturion

All of these “pro-Russians” need a diet of propelled lead...


26 posted on 04/16/2014 6:29:28 PM PDT by Clemenza (Lurking)
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To: tcrlaf

None of this changes the fact that Putin and his supporters should not be breathing.


27 posted on 04/16/2014 6:30:15 PM PDT by Clemenza (Lurking)
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