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Separatists take armored vehicles, humiliating Ukraine forces
Reuters ^

Posted on 04/16/2014 12:09:40 PM PDT by kronos77

(Reuters) - Separatists flew the Russian flag on armored vehicles taken from the Ukrainian army on Wednesday, humiliating a Kiev government operation to recapture eastern towns controlled by pro-Moscow partisans.

Six armored personnel carriers were driven into the rebel-held town of Slaviansk to waves and shouts of "Russia! Russia!". It was not immediately clear whether they had been captured by rebels or handed over to them by Ukrainian deserters.

Another 15 armored troop carriers full of paratroops were surrounded and halted by a pro-Russian crowd at a town near an airbase. They were allowed to retreat only after the soldiers handed the firing pins from their rifles to a rebel commander.

The military setback leaves Kiev looking weak on the eve of a peace conference on Thursday, when its foreign minister will meet his Russian, U.S. and European counterparts in Geneva.

Moscow has responded to the overthrow of its ally Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovich in February by announcing its right to intervene militarily to protect Russian speakers across the former Soviet Union, a new doctrine that has overturned decades of post-Cold War diplomacy.

Russia annexed Ukraine's Crimea peninsula last month, and its armed supporters have now taken control over swathes of Ukraine's eastern industrial heartland.

It has massed thousands of troops on near the Ukrainian frontier. A Reuters reporting team that visited the border area late last week and again on Wednesday said Russian military activity had increased markedly over the past few days, with more troops and vehicles on the roads.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: nato; obama; russia; ukraine

1 posted on 04/16/2014 12:09:40 PM PDT by kronos77
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To: kronos77

Screams of “Putinista propaganda!!!!” in 3... 2... 1...


2 posted on 04/16/2014 12:10:54 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: kronos77
Bread not bullets: Ukraine’s locals and soldiers against war

As we saw the crowds gathering round the Ukrainian armoured personnel carriers parked near the railway tracks in Kramatorsk we thought we might encounter a hostile crowd.

But in fact the atmosphere was peaceful. “We don’t want war” said a man called Ruslan who spoke English. “That’s why we don’t want them to come into the town.”

They were keen to show us a white Opal saloon car that had been partially crushed by an APC. As we were filming it we heard the roar of another armoured vehicle hurtling along towards us.

The people started whistling and shouting. When the vehicle stopped they linked arms to prevent it from proceeding any further.

One man said to me: “Look they’re pointing weapons at us.” But in fact the soldiers seemed more bemused than aggressive.

They clearly did not want to aggravate the people. Some people started to talk to them, asking “Why are you here? What are you doing?”

We looked over at the crushed saloon car and saw that two policeman in blue uniforms were making a routine report as if there had been a minor traffic accident. Nothing can stop bureaucracy, not even the threat of war.

Another four APCs roared up, one flying the blue and yellow Ukrainian flag. They too, were blocked by the growing crowd of people.

Some people were keen to explain to me that they were all Ukrainians, soldiers and civilians alike, they did not want to be in conflict.

Eventually the soldiers took the magazines from their weapons. Everybody cheered and clapped.

- See more at: http://blogs.channel4.com/lindsey-hilsum-on-international-affairs/bread-bullets-ukraines-locals-soldiers-war/3795#sthash.XPkPWx6L.dpuf

3 posted on 04/16/2014 12:12:02 PM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: kronos77

Russia doesn’t have to invade. Eastern Ukraine may fall into Moscow’s lap without a shot being fired.

Exit question: where the mysterious men in green we’ve been hearing so much about?


4 posted on 04/16/2014 12:12:16 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

If Putin asked for Alaska back, would the taxpayers there cheer his bid?


5 posted on 04/16/2014 12:14:54 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: goldstategop

Majority of the Ukrainians do not want to fight for junta in Kiev.

South Vietnam anybody?


6 posted on 04/16/2014 12:15:02 PM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: kronos77

I noticed your tag line. It could read: Crimea Is The Russian Jerusalem. No Russia Without Crimea.

And a lot of Serbs would no doubt agree.


7 posted on 04/16/2014 12:16:49 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Not too sure if the Serbian example is accurate, but one could claim “Sudetenland is . . . .”


8 posted on 04/16/2014 12:19:20 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: kronos77

Ukraine is never going to be a reliable Western asset. The country can’t or won’t defend itself, so it stands to reason why any one should die for Ukraine?

What the West doesn’t want is to get sucked into a Ukrainian Vietnam.


9 posted on 04/16/2014 12:19:39 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
True.
But Serbs are pretty sad for what is happening in Ukraine. There is also (small) minority of Ukrainians and Ruthenians in Serbia, both Russians and Ukrainians are considered to be Serbian brethren. Yet, I may say that MSM in Serbia are pretty unbiased.
10 posted on 04/16/2014 12:20:37 PM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: nascarnation

Alaska is one of the United States. Ukraine isn’t.


11 posted on 04/16/2014 12:24:50 PM PDT by McGruff
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To: kronos77

Oh, yeah. Serbian “sadness” is visible in most of the things you post.


12 posted on 04/16/2014 12:25:06 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: McGruff

True, but my question remains unanswered...


13 posted on 04/16/2014 12:26:37 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: McGruff

Ukraine isn’t part of the Russian Federation either, what’s your point?


14 posted on 04/16/2014 12:26:46 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: goldstategop

“Exit question: where the mysterious men in green we’ve been hearing so much about?”

Though not much is clear, they appear to be pro-Russian Cossacks, some were in Crimea, too. Financial Times has done some looking in to this.

Some are undoubtedly from Russia, but officially or not is a very different question. They have unofficial militias, just like we do, especially in the South, and a lot of recent combat veterans. The borders are wide open, and ethnic Russians wanting to “help” coming in are widely reported.

If you recall, many American Citizens did exactly the same thing during the “Arab Springs”.

As far as Uniforms go, I can walk in to the Army/Navy surplus store 15 miles from me and buy the civilian versions of the latest kits brand new. (For deer hunting purposes, doncha know)

As far as AK-100’s go, no one has been able to confirm that, but given the huge Black Markets, and large criminal gangs in that area, getting ahold of more recent versions of AK’s isn’t impossible.


15 posted on 04/16/2014 12:27:13 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: kronos77

My impression was that the units defected from EU/NATO puppet junta. There was no discord or conflict. Also the soldiers were hungry as they hadn’t been fed for some time. Perhaps I missed something.


16 posted on 04/16/2014 12:31:18 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: Psalm 144
There was no discord or conflict.

To everyone but a Russian, that's actually a good thing.

17 posted on 04/16/2014 12:33:03 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
one could claim “Sudetenland is . . . .”

And they would sound like a broken record. Any time the Globalists want American rubes to expel blood and treasure for their latest plot they paint their intended target as the new Hitler. That BS doesn't work any more. Russia is not a threat to the US or Europe. The Globo-Marxists in the White House and Brussels are.

18 posted on 04/16/2014 12:34:11 PM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

Never quite figured you out. You dislike American (and other) globalists—which is ok, but Russian globalists give you no trouble at all.


19 posted on 04/16/2014 12:35:38 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
There were 5 guys that went to Crimea from Serbia, they sided on pro-Russian side, yet refused to carry weapons. They were at the checkpoints, unarmed helping control, but not wearing guns because they did not wanted to possibly use it against Ukrainians.
20 posted on 04/16/2014 12:37:33 PM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

“Russia is not a threat to the US or Europe.”

I wouldn’t go that far, but the threat is long-term strategic/Economic, and not immediate, or military.

Russia is emerging as an Economic competitor to Europe. The Euro dependence on Russian gas, and wrecking their own energy sources to pacify the Green Socialists, shows us that.


21 posted on 04/16/2014 12:38:18 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: 1rudeboy

To everyone but a Russian, that’s actually a good thing.

*********

I think to everyone but an agitator it is a good thing.


22 posted on 04/16/2014 12:38:53 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: 1rudeboy
1,. Sudetenland were never part of Germany (before Hitler) Crimea and Ukraine were part of Russia
2. Anschluss - Hitler wanted Austria to join Reich, but chancellor Dolphus of Austria, refused. Coup was organized by Hitler. Dolphus was later killed and Austria was anected.

Same like in Ukraine - IV Reich (EU) ousted Yanukovich when he refused to enter EU....

23 posted on 04/16/2014 12:41:05 PM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: Psalm 144
[sigh]

Who stands to gain the most from "agitation?" Remind me.

24 posted on 04/16/2014 12:42:41 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: kronos77

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGW_wXRdDMY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iOcAfFPH0E


25 posted on 04/16/2014 12:43:27 PM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: kronos77

Again, it would be funny if it wasn’t so sad. Conspiracies in every direction, and only Russia pure as the wind-driven snow.


26 posted on 04/16/2014 12:45:32 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy; All

Funny video...

Former Ukrainian, now Pro-Russian militia BMD-2 “Drifting”, and doing donuts in the steets of Slovyansk this afternoon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtfL54BLV7s


27 posted on 04/16/2014 12:53:56 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: kronos77
It's only a matter of time before the Bolsheviks return.
28 posted on 04/16/2014 12:55:26 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

Well, they’ve wormed their way into the WH...


29 posted on 04/16/2014 12:56:39 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Obama is a COMMUNIST and the MSM is his armband-wearing propaganda machine.)
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To: tcrlaf
I surmise there was some alcohol involved (not that there's anything wrong with it).

My favorite tank drifting video.

30 posted on 04/16/2014 12:58:07 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: kronos77
the ukrAine is weak photo: Busted Tees Model bustedtees417aff2a-57f2-45a6-bd38-72a4989b_zpsf61ea64c.jpg
31 posted on 04/16/2014 1:04:24 PM PDT by tumblindice (Are all Democrats inveterate, habitual liars?)
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To: 1rudeboy

Who stands to gain the most from “agitation?” Remind me.

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It would seem the putschists in Kiev, who initiated all of this and are impotent to finish it. Unless they are carried of course.


32 posted on 04/16/2014 1:21:13 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: McGruff

If Alaska got fed up with the Federal Government and, with popular support, declaired itself independent—electing Sarah Palin as their president—would people on the Free Republic Cheer? If The Republic of Alaska signed a treaty with Putin’s Russia for aid and protection—would people cheer Putin? Maybe. But things would have to get a whole lot worse. Say, obama cancels elections? Runs for a 3rd Term. Bans the Tea Party as a “hate group”? Uses drones to strike Fox News or take out Ted Cruz? Would people support the USA then? Under these events—People might see Putin in a different light.


33 posted on 04/16/2014 1:29:55 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: nascarnation

Only if the BLM took over first. lol


34 posted on 04/16/2014 1:52:06 PM PDT by pleasenotcalifornia
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To: nascarnation

Only if the BLM took over first. lol


35 posted on 04/16/2014 1:53:07 PM PDT by pleasenotcalifornia
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To: tcrlaf

Nice.


36 posted on 04/16/2014 3:43:42 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: tumblindice
Ever see, "Smiley's People"?

"Everything a little Bolshi baby should be."

37 posted on 04/16/2014 4:56:03 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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