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'Kill switch' may be standard on U.S. phones in 2015
CNN ^ | April 16, 2014 | Doug Gross

Posted on 04/16/2014 4:01:05 PM PDT by kingattax

(CNN) -- The "kill switch," a system for remotely disabling smartphones and wiping their data, will become standard in 2015, according to a pledge backed by most of the mobile world's major players.

Apple, Google, Samsung and Microsoft, along with the five biggest cellular carriers in the United States, are among those that have signed on to a voluntary program announced Tuesday by the industry's largest trade group.

All smartphones manufactured for sale in the United States after July 2015 must have the technology, according to the program from CTIA-The Wireless Association.

Advocates say the feature would deter thieves from taking mobile devices by rendering phones useless while allowing people to protect personal information if their phone is lost or stolen. Its proponents include law enforcement officials concerned about the rising problem of smartphone theft.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: apple; google; killswitch; microsoft; samsung; smartphones; voluntary

1 posted on 04/16/2014 4:01:05 PM PDT by kingattax
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To: kingattax

So, if we don’t buy new or upgrade we’re safe?


2 posted on 04/16/2014 4:03:55 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: kingattax

Convieniently, law enforcement will have a key to retrieve
any information...?


3 posted on 04/16/2014 4:04:08 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: tet68

“It’s proponents include law enforcement officials concerned about the rising problem of smartphone theft”

Yeah I’m sure that’s exactly what the jackboots are concerned about...


4 posted on 04/16/2014 4:06:25 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Ya, that’s right up there with I have a bridge for sale.


5 posted on 04/16/2014 4:09:37 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: kingattax
And until then, there's this:


6 posted on 04/16/2014 4:10:00 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: bigbob

Two words: Cow magnet!


7 posted on 04/16/2014 4:10:46 PM PDT by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)
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To: SandRat

I’m still using one of the original smart phones. Google gave me a Nexus One at a Linux conference in San Francisco during their first month. It doesn’t have enough internal memory, but otherwise, it still works fine.


8 posted on 04/16/2014 4:11:06 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: tet68

Doesn’t that make you feel better? Law enforcement is in charge and they will NEVER use this technology for political purposes. Cops would NEVER use this technology to wipe out someone’s phone who is filming them beating someone. And I fell extra safe knowing my smart phone will receive presidential messages that I can’t turn off.


9 posted on 04/16/2014 4:17:35 PM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: kingattax
Right.

"Smartphone theft" is the new desert tortoise.

Phone companies already have this ability once the customer reports the phone as stolen. Why do the police need to have this power, too?

Obviously, the purpose of this is three-fold:

1. To disable the phones of witnesses to police brutality and government overreach.
2. To remotely wipe recordings of police brutality and government overreach in response to police brutality and government overreach.
3. To deny the people the ability to coordinate and freely assemble by using real-time communications on their smartphones.

-PJ

10 posted on 04/16/2014 4:22:56 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: kingattax
Do not count on your phone being able to be used in a bad situation. Expect that law enforcement will issue a blanket "wipe" order for all phones used by patriots and bystanders in areas like the Bundy Ranch so all communications, pictures, videos and voice records will be gone. At a bare minimum, store everything to removable media and swap those out regularly. Even better to have a regular digital camera to do your recording on (and swap out media regularly to prevent to old fashioned grab and smash method of destroying evidence.)
11 posted on 04/16/2014 4:23:51 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Republican amnesty supporters don't care whether their own homes are called mansions or haciendas.)
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To: kingattax
Its proponents include law enforcement officials concerned about the rising problem of smartphone theft  any possible remaining scraps of privacy escaping the Nazi net.
12 posted on 04/16/2014 4:25:48 PM PDT by tomkat (3% +1)
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To: kingattax
I'm still old school.

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13 posted on 04/16/2014 4:26:25 PM PDT by umgud
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To: kingattax

Bttt.


14 posted on 04/16/2014 4:29:38 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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To: KarlInOhio
Do not count on your phone being able to be used in a bad situation. Expect that law enforcement will issue a blanket "wipe" order for all phones used by patriots and bystanders in areas like the Bundy Ranch so all communications, pictures, videos and voice records will be gone. At a bare minimum, store everything to removable media and swap those out regularly. Even better to have a regular digital camera to do your recording on (and swap out media regularly to prevent to old fashioned grab and smash method of destroying evidence.)

Or just use an conventional camcorder. I know of someone who still uses a 1970's era era video camera with a battery powered portable VHS recorder sling over his shoulder. A bit heavy but it works. There is also a reel-to-reel version too. Myself, audiowise, I still prefer to use 1970's era cassette recorders.
15 posted on 04/16/2014 4:34:01 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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To: kingattax

When will the first virus be circulated that triggers the kill switch disabling the owner’s phones and deleting all personal data and aps?


16 posted on 04/16/2014 4:35:05 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: umgud

The very early automobile cellphones that were used and tested in the early 1970’s used a dial to make outgoing calls.


17 posted on 04/16/2014 4:35:17 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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To: Organic Panic
And I fell extra safe knowing my smart phone will receive presidential messages that I can’t turn off.

"Citizen! Remember, today is election day. Remember just WHO gave you this free cellphone. Remember, citizen!"

18 posted on 04/16/2014 4:36:29 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: KarlInOhio
Expect that law enforcement will issue a blanket "wipe" order for all phones used by patriots and bystanders in areas like the Bundy Ranch so all communications, pictures, videos and voice records will be gone.

And I say again, people going into those situations need to use a service like Justin.TV which will broadcast the video to the world, and store it on Justin.TV servers.

Then the goons can do what they will but video taken before they throw the switch will still be available, not to mention it having been seen in real time (by those watching your "channel").

Could be as easy as, "I'll be broadcasting at 0800" to let folks know to watch... and they can be digitally recording as well.

19 posted on 04/16/2014 4:43:39 PM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: KarlInOhio

A easy way around this. Do not keep your phone turned on.

They can’t wipe it if they can’t find it.

My cell phone is for me to call up other people and bother them but not for them to call and bother me. I only turn it on when I use it.

Or do the latest versions not have an on/off switch?


20 posted on 04/16/2014 4:53:49 PM PDT by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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To: kingattax

Gee, I wonder what will be happening in 2015...


21 posted on 04/16/2014 4:54:18 PM PDT by cld51860 (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: Fai Mao

No modern smartphone has an actual off switch.

They just go into a sleep mode and wake up constantly looking for a button press or whatever.

Lots of electronic items nowadays don’t really turn off.

Sorta like how your TV remotes never turn off..they just sleep like the smartphones do.


22 posted on 04/16/2014 5:09:51 PM PDT by Bobalu (Four Cokes And A Fried Chicken)
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To: Nowhere Man

There were car phones in the fifties and maybe before. See them in old movies sometimes.

I would guess the service was very localised though.


23 posted on 04/16/2014 5:39:30 PM PDT by Rockpile
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To: umgud

LMAO!


24 posted on 04/16/2014 5:43:14 PM PDT by gibsosa
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To: KarlInOhio

“Expect that law enforcement will issue a blanket “wipe” order for all phones used by patriots and bystanders in areas like the Bundy Ranch so all communications, pictures, videos and voice records will be gone. At a bare minimum, store everything to removable media and swap those out regularly. “

The first thought of many including me.


25 posted on 04/16/2014 6:03:15 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: Fai Mao
A easy way around this. Do not keep your phone turned on.

They can’t wipe it if they can’t find it.

Sorry, but the tracking part of your phone is always on. Cannot be turned off by you. Your phone is constantly reporting your position.

Only way I know to defeat this is to block the phone's transmissions by putting the phone in a Faraday cage. A shiny mylar package used for potato chips will work. Test this: put you phone in a bag like that and call it. It won't answer because the cell network can't find it.

More info.

This is reason #16 why I do not have and prolly never will have a cell phone.

26 posted on 04/16/2014 6:28:18 PM PDT by upchuck (Support ABLE, the Anybody But Lindsey Effort. Yes, we are the ABLE!!)
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To: upchuck

I have a very old non-smart phone.

It does have a camera but no GPS and can be turned off. It can also have the battery removed

I hate to be a Luddite but I refuse to be a slave to my technology


27 posted on 04/16/2014 6:34:29 PM PDT by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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To: kingattax

Once the government put a kill switch on us with Obamacare, why not go after our phones too. Next, kill switch on cars, computers, thermostat, radio, TV, internet.


28 posted on 04/16/2014 6:48:35 PM PDT by 12th_Monkey (One man one vote is a big fail, when the "one" man is an idiot.)
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bfl


29 posted on 04/16/2014 7:16:29 PM PDT by Faith65 (Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior!)
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To: Rockpile

I’ve seen pictures of them from the mid 1940’s on. The first phones, you had to call the radio operator first and give your callsign and IIRC, you had to say “over” to hear the other side talk. Later on, you had direct dialing. I used to pick them up in the 35/43 Mc, 152 Mc and 454 Mc bands on my police scanner. A lot of pagers were there too, especially 35 Mc, I used to hear the “bleep bleeps” and then the voice message. There is an amateur radio operator that even has recordings of pagers and mobile phone from the late 1960’s and 1970’s.


30 posted on 04/16/2014 7:53:32 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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To: bigbob; Idaho_Cowboy

Hammer? Magnet? likely won’t do much. Makes it harder to access the data, but your data is stored on tiny robust components. Transplant the “flash memory” chips to another device (not easy, but doable) and we’ll be reviewing your texts, emails, and browser history soon enough to use against you.


31 posted on 04/16/2014 8:23:14 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Before you can find the right hill, someone will start watering trees. Prepare accordingly.)
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To: kingattax

Didn’t the father of a young woman who was killed for her cell phone begin the push for this?


32 posted on 04/16/2014 8:29:19 PM PDT by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the Seals of Extortion 17 - and God Bless America)
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To: Fai Mao

“Do not keep your phone turned on. ... Or do the latest versions not have an on/off switch?”

Aye, there’s the rub. Modern computers (smartphones included) are rather hard to “turn off”. There’s an assortment of power-saving states that look like it’s off, but never actually be off. The iMac instruction manual actually says that if you truly need to “turn it off” you _must_ unplug it; anything with a non-removable battery may very well running to some degree so long as the battery is not flat dead. As time goes on, these things stay on ever more persistently.

And, considering the post you’re replying to, it’s not gonna do you much good as a communications or recording device if it’s off. When it’s on, it’s subject to the “kill” signal.

There should be (and I’m tempted to make one if there isn’t) apps for robustly transmitting audio/video to secured (encrypted, protected, and legally-bound) remote data storage. Given the scenario, methinks that should include short-range (direct-wifi or bluetooth) transmission to wireless storage devices. All smashing or “kill-switching” one should do is record the act thereof as evidence.


33 posted on 04/16/2014 8:32:48 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Before you can find the right hill, someone will start watering trees. Prepare accordingly.)
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To: grobdriver

Many of us have video cameras independent of cell phones. No “kill switch” effect there. If you’re deliberately joining such an incident, you’ll likely have time to grab it (or even buy one quick from darn near any electronics store, Walmart included) - if only for the much better optical zoom, as anything interesting may easily be too far for a cell phone camera to record well.


34 posted on 04/16/2014 8:37:04 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Before you can find the right hill, someone will start watering trees. Prepare accordingly.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

Or to shut down video by the ubiquitous smart phone at locations like a cattle operation in Nevada?


35 posted on 04/16/2014 8:52:14 PM PDT by Ozark Tom
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To: ctdonath2

Need private network and secure link out of controlled area to document the play-by-play.


36 posted on 04/16/2014 9:01:28 PM PDT by Ozark Tom
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To: Nowhere Man

35 to 43 Mhz? Hmm, then the military FM radios would have been able to pick up the transmissions. We could get channels 2 thru 6 TV audio bands but there was never anything on worth listening to ;)


37 posted on 04/16/2014 9:20:39 PM PDT by Rockpile
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To: Ozark Tom
Somebody should get a case in front of the Supreme Court arguing that a kill switch in phones for the police is unconstitutional, and a ban on these phones in the USA results.

It would be a violation of a person's first amendment right to peaceably assemble, if the police can instantly isolate you from everyone else by disabling your phone because they fear that you will expose what they're doing.

A police force that has secrets becomes a secret police.

-PJ

38 posted on 04/16/2014 9:31:44 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: kingattax

Surely the government would never abuse this.


39 posted on 04/16/2014 9:32:11 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: kingattax

Why? Is this a big problem? Are the street rampant with phone thieves??

My goodness.

One of the great things about modern communications technology is that it is cheap and easily replaceable.
Why do we need MANDATORY features on a phone? If the people want it, they’ll buy it. If you don’t want that kind of feature on a phone, do NOT buy it.


40 posted on 04/17/2014 2:24:45 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Rockpile
35 to 43 Mhz? Hmm, then the military FM radios would have been able to pick up the transmissions. We could get channels 2 thru 6 TV audio bands but there was never anything on worth listening to ;)

True. I've talked to someone who served in the Australian Army and they use their radios to losten to TV audio when they were in the bush. They kept up with the soap operas that way. B-) I have a BaoFeng transceiver I bought for less than $50, I'm an amateur radio operator, it transmits and receives from 130 to 176 Mc and 400 to 520 Mc as well as receive FM radio from 65 to 108 Mc. I have to be careful and triple check when I program it for the amateur radio bands to make sure I do not transmit where I'm not suppose to but it is a good little radio.
41 posted on 04/17/2014 5:12:39 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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