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EXCLUSIVE: Did Feds Kill Rancher's Cows, Dig Mass Grave?
Fox News ^ | 4-16-2014 | Griff Jenkins

Posted on 04/16/2014 5:08:13 PM PDT by Texas Fossil

Cliven's son Ryan Bundy shared video of what he believed to be a mass grave dug by the government.

He noted that at least one dead cow could be seen in the 18-by-45 foot area.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: blm; bundy; buried; cattle; killed
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Guess we figured out what the backhoe was for. And it states that water lines were damaged. My thought is they were intentionally cut to make it impossible for them to easily fix.

Booger Eating BLM Bureaucraps and their SWAT Teams.

ComDem Insanity continues.

1 posted on 04/16/2014 5:08:13 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

We used to call it a dead pit on the farm.


2 posted on 04/16/2014 5:10:39 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Texas Fossil

Some peeps apparently got into trouble for attempting to look into dump truck beds to see what carnage might be hiding in there.


3 posted on 04/16/2014 5:14:23 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Texas Fossil

That would explain why the BLM backed down. Confiscating the herd for subsequent auction might be within the rulings of the courts. On the other hand, killing the herd would be seen as pure spite on behalf of the the Feds. They couldn’t allow that to hit the 10 o’clock news coverage, because everyone would see it for what it was: bullying.


4 posted on 04/16/2014 5:15:23 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: Texas Fossil
If someone can dream it up the Feds will do it.

They recognize no laws or other limits to their power and tyranny.


5 posted on 04/16/2014 5:16:39 PM PDT by Iron Munro (The future ain't what it use to be -- Yogi Berra)
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To: Texas Fossil

Just preparing the mass graves for the roundup of uppity citizens.


6 posted on 04/16/2014 5:18:02 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Throw Harry and his boy in there with them.


7 posted on 04/16/2014 5:18:04 PM PDT by Old Yeller (In Latin, the word sinister means left. Which is appropriate for left-wingers.)
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To: the_Watchman
Which is what I have said.

Talking with a lawyer friend of mine who has dealt with BLM issues before, Bundy doesn't have much of a legal case. However if they killed the cattle (which I suspect was the point of this little game), now he has a HUGE case.

In short, they can take you cattle to auction to pay for back fees, but they can't just kill them.

8 posted on 04/16/2014 5:18:08 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Texas Fossil

And where is PETA during all this..this would have been a cause that I would have supported along with them had they even bothered to get involved but nope, not a peep from the so-called group that cares about animals..guess the only animals they care about are the liberal ones(And I wouldnt even know what a liberal animal looks like)


9 posted on 04/16/2014 5:26:49 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: the_Watchman
everyone would see

Not everyone can "see": most can't.

10 posted on 04/16/2014 5:26:52 PM PDT by Theodore R. (It was inevitable: Texans will always be for Cornball and George P.!)
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To: Texas Fossil

The Soviets brought the Polish Military Officers out in the woods and shot them in the nape of the neck, like cattle.


11 posted on 04/16/2014 5:27:59 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: Texas Fossil

Okay Did or Did they not kill/bury some of Mr Bundy’s cows?


12 posted on 04/16/2014 5:28:00 PM PDT by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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To: redgolum

If your friend hasn’t dealt with the BLM in Nevada, then he doesn’t understand the historically established grazing easement that Bundy holds - if he would argue his case based on Nevada grazing law, he would win. People get their undies in a bunch over paying fees or not paying fees...he owned the easement, by Nevada law, before the feds took possession of the land - the feds cannot charge a citizen to use an easement they already own. So far the case has been argued on the bases of the feds not having the right to own the land - his grazing easement is valid, even if the feds can own the land.

The BLM paid almost 1 million dollars to the contract cowboys from Utah to round up the cattle for a million dollar debt they claim is due - now that makes no sense. There is no question this is all about bullying and spite.


13 posted on 04/16/2014 5:29:11 PM PDT by GilesB
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To: Fitzy_888

Katyn Forest Massacre

Soviets secretly assasinate Polish elite in Russian forest, blame it on Germans

14 posted on 04/16/2014 5:34:11 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Texas Fossil

We formed a central government to provide for the common defense, but armed Mexican army troops crossed our border last week and our federal government did nothing.
Our Border Patrol rank-and-file had to sue our federal government to get them to do their jobs: securing the border.
Our federal government ignores laws and orders.
They gave guns to Mexican cartels.
They just threatened the lives of Americans in Nevada.
Why are we paying money over to them? They’re worse than useless.


15 posted on 04/16/2014 5:35:08 PM PDT by tumblindice (Are all Democrats inveterate, habitual liars?)
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To: cripplecreek

I trust those were dug downwind from the house and barn?


16 posted on 04/16/2014 5:35:35 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Cyber Liberty

Yup, way out by the woods a good half mile from the house. Covered over in the fall.


17 posted on 04/16/2014 5:36:49 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: GilesB

Gov of Utah issued an order those cattle from Bundy’s could not cross the state line, so BLM weren’t going to find anyone or any auction willing to take rustle cattle. That idea was over & done before the standoff finished.


18 posted on 04/16/2014 5:37:39 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: cripplecreek

Sacrifice to Cthulhu no doubt.


19 posted on 04/16/2014 5:37:57 PM PDT by 50sDad (A Liberal prevents me from telling you anything here.)
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To: 50sDad

Well yeah. I’m not some kind of infidel who sacrifices cattle to Baal. Its Cthulu or nuthin.


20 posted on 04/16/2014 5:40:47 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

Yeah, even outhouses were dug a lot closer than that.


21 posted on 04/16/2014 5:46:27 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Old Yeller

Amen to THAT!

Still, it’s too good for either of the evil bestids.


22 posted on 04/16/2014 5:47:54 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Pleasing everyone is impossible but pi$$ing everyone off is a piece of cake.)
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To: Kackikat

I’m talking about the cowboys they contracted to round up the cattle. The ones that rounded up the 400 or so head they were holding in the corrals.

Also - those cattle could be sold in Arizona, California - even in Nevada. Utah was not the only option, but I applaud Utah for their stand...although the contract cowboys are some type of low-life.


23 posted on 04/16/2014 5:47:54 PM PDT by GilesB
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To: GilesB
He works in more High Plains states (Nebraska, Wyoming, South Dakota, some in Colorado). I honestly don't think he has worked directly with Nevada, but there is similar laws in Colorado.

That same argument has been used, and sometimes it wins. But case law is pretty settled that if you don't pay the grazing fees, you lose the right to graze.

However, he did say that sending in a massive show of force is very troubling. Most cases are handled by mail, and more than a few are settled very quickly. Grazing for twenty years without paying a fee is very odd. Sending in mercs and BLM rangers is almost unprecedented (they don't do that on the Rez even when there are massive drug operations going on).

IF they killed the cattle, then not only does Bundy have excellent standing to sue and win a lot of money, he wins the sympathy of many in the West. Law out there is very different, and that may go farther than anything.

I do wonder about the wranglers they brought in. Not many would do so. I wonder if after the boys got down there and saw what was going on, they stopped working. Then the mercs started shooting (I say mercs because of the pictures of non uniformed armed men in tactical gear inside the Fedgov compound).

24 posted on 04/16/2014 5:48:02 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

I contacted Peta on facebook (shame on me) and asked what they were doing about the cattle being slaughtered for no reason.

Idiots probably see it as a poke in the eye...


25 posted on 04/16/2014 5:49:26 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Pleasing everyone is impossible but pi$$ing everyone off is a piece of cake.)
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To: Texas Fossil

If the government killed a large number of cows and wasted the meat from them (while there are millions of people hungry and jobless), it raises serious other questions about the handling of this attempted land grab.


26 posted on 04/16/2014 5:49:59 PM PDT by MamaDearest
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To: tumblindice

Agree, totalitarianism in all it’s forms is EVIL.


27 posted on 04/16/2014 5:50:56 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: Kackikat

The closest state to the Bundy Ranch is AZ. Utah is just trying to stay out of it and assess the damage.


28 posted on 04/16/2014 5:51:49 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Pleasing everyone is impossible but pi$$ing everyone off is a piece of cake.)
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To: cripplecreek

We burn ours.


29 posted on 04/16/2014 5:51:53 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: the_Watchman

“...killing the herd would be seen as pure spite on behalf of the the Feds.”

Hey - if it’s good enough for FDR, it’s good enough for Obama.


30 posted on 04/16/2014 5:52:29 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: redgolum
Talking with a lawyer friend of mine who has dealt with BLM issues before, Bundy doesn't have much of a legal case.

He's just parroting the corrupt gov said...Ya can't believe a word they say or allege. They've punished and harmed this guy and his family, just like they do with the rest of us tax slaves.

Big mismanaged corrupt government is losing it's tax base and they're ramping up to raise taxes, fees and fines on everything you do...

31 posted on 04/16/2014 5:54:01 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

When we get to that point, it will not “just” be citizens.


32 posted on 04/16/2014 5:54:11 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: GilesB

Contract cowboys are like buzzards and ravens...not pretty but necessary in the Grand Scheme of things

A lot of the folks who showed up at the Bundys are also farmers, so they will help the Bundys however they can.


33 posted on 04/16/2014 5:55:16 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Pleasing everyone is impossible but pi$$ing everyone off is a piece of cake.)
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To: GilesB

I was quoting what I read about all the auctions refused to take any of Bundy’s cattle in several states, but Utah man was willing to take the money BLM offered and the Gov of Utah would not let the cattle be driven across state line...there was no one to take the cattle. That is when some got killed...two bulls shot.

All of that happened while BLM was still there at the standoff...the whole story has not been assimilated in one place so everyone understands how well the ranchers, American patriots, and supporters of Bundy were organized. BLM had no choice but to let the cattle go and stand down!

We get pieces of it, interviews, and the outcome but not how effective citizens were in working together to support him in other places too. I wasn’t criticizing what you said, only that BLM tried to sell them in other states before taking them off the land, however there were no takers!


34 posted on 04/16/2014 5:56:12 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: Fitzy_888

Katyn

Yep.


35 posted on 04/16/2014 5:56:20 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: redgolum

I agree with most of what you say. However, Nevada has some very unique grazing laws - that actually create an easement or right-of-way for grazing. To charge for an easement, any easement, the charge must be part of the original granting of that easement. This is not the case for Bundy - his easement was well established long before the feds moved in - therefor, they have no right to charge a grazing fee for a grazing easement the Bundys already owned. This is why, in these cases, the BLM refers to grazing management fees. They ostensibly charge for managing the grazing land. However, it is a difficult stretch to charge a man for managing his grazing easement while you are continually trying to remove his cattle and illegally obstruct his easement - which is why Bundy quit paying the management fee...they weren’t managing the grazing. By law, the BLM is supposed to manage the land to improve/increase the grazing and the carrying capacity. They weren’t doing the job for which they were charging - so Bundy quit paying for the job they weren’t doing.

This should be his defense. “I owned the easement before the feds took possession, so I don’t owe grazing fees for forage I already owned. They were not managing the range to improve the grazing, which is what I was paying for, so I quit paying for a job they didn’t do.”


36 posted on 04/16/2014 5:57:36 PM PDT by GilesB
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Exactly what I’ve wondered. The calves were separated from their mothers, and died. PETA should be outraged and vocal about it.

PETA cares much about animal rights as NOW cares about women’s rights, i.e., not at all if liberals are the offenders.


37 posted on 04/16/2014 5:58:10 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: blueyon

It says remains of 1 cow is visible. That is a big hole they dug.

Past that it is not yet proven the extent.

It is noteworthy enough for Fox to report it.

Past that at this point is speculation.

There are other more graphic articles floating around already.

We shall see. With Obozo nothing surprises me.


38 posted on 04/16/2014 5:58:49 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: GilesB
Bttt your excellent post at #13

And shame on those contract cowboys...

no souls
39 posted on 04/16/2014 5:59:02 PM PDT by novemberslady
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To: redgolum
It's why corrupt gov just concocted another criminal scheme to go after siblings of parents who were overpaid 25++ years ago. The kids had zip to do with it, and the parents had no idea they were over paid at the time.

Desperate does not begin to describe this.

How else are the evil corrupt in D.C. government at all levels of government going to prop up their lottery style wages and those gold plated retirement pensions?

40 posted on 04/16/2014 5:59:44 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

What is missing here is information. The laws and the by-laws are important to what is happening here, and the feds are relying on the fact that no civilians know REALLY what is going on.

At this point in my life, I have some VERY LARGE issues with what has been done to the Bundys over the last few days.

https://www.facebook.com/support.cliven.bundy

There will be a BBQ there on Friday! Gear up, bring your wives, kids and appetites!


41 posted on 04/16/2014 6:01:05 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Pleasing everyone is impossible but pi$$ing everyone off is a piece of cake.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Is it legal to just bury a bunch of cows? Is that the legal manner to dispose of them, you just dig a hole and put them in?


42 posted on 04/16/2014 6:03:35 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Texas Fossil

So are they missing cows?


43 posted on 04/16/2014 6:04:12 PM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: Monkey Face
The laws and the by-laws are important to what is happening here, and the feds are relying on the fact that no civilians know REALLY what is going on.

It's just like their convoluted corrupt tax laws they pull out of thin air, to grow this ever expanding govenrment larger and larger...

44 posted on 04/16/2014 6:04:51 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Kackikat

Aaah - gotcha. I don’t know why they didn’t take them to a Nevada auction yard - no state lines to cross, no governor to stop them at the border.


45 posted on 04/16/2014 6:06:40 PM PDT by GilesB
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To: Monkey Face

Yup, the Arizona strip. Mohave County, AZ


46 posted on 04/16/2014 6:09:22 PM PDT by crz
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To: GilesB

No auction in any state other than Utah would take the cattle, including Nevada, and the Utah Gov stopped them from crossing state lines so that man/auction couldn’t get them...now that shows solidarity.


47 posted on 04/16/2014 6:09:54 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: Fitzy_888
The Soviets brought the Polish Military Officers out in the woods and shot them in the nape of the neck, like cattle.

Uncle Joe Stalin's triggerman, Vasili Blokhin, may he burn in hell.

48 posted on 04/16/2014 6:11:03 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: MamaDearest

Yes, this is about a sale of public land to the ChiComs where Harry Reid and his son were beneficiaries.

That one will resonate.


49 posted on 04/16/2014 6:11:18 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: redgolum

There is a lot going on that escapes the consumer. Ranch land in the West is not like anything the east has ever known.

Folks can speculate and pontificate but that doesn’t change the fact that there are laws that existed before the West was settled.

In analyzing the history of farmers/ranchers in the West, I can say, without a doubt, that Harry Reid and his equally evil son are trying to do a bait-and-switch with the Bundys. Reid wants the land for a solar array that the Chinese want to install, but Reid wants to rent it to them, so he can actually take advantage of the water in the aquifers underneath it all. Using the desert tortoise as an excuse...this is the same Harry Reid who has championed the Nevada Test Site... what about all the wildlife he killed there...?

Just as happened in the counties north of us, anyone who votes for that nasty, heartless POS should be pilloried.


50 posted on 04/16/2014 6:12:24 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Pleasing everyone is impossible but pi$$ing everyone off is a piece of cake.)
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