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Why One Man Traveled Almost 3,000 Miles To Take On The Federal Government At A Ranch In Nevada
http://www.businessinsider.com ^ | april 16, 2014 | BRETT LOGIURATO

Posted on 04/16/2014 5:29:29 PM PDT by lowbridge

Days after agents with the Bureau of Land Management ended their effort to round up Cliven Bundy's cattle to ease mounting tensions, the showdown between the rancher and the federal government is still attracting armed conservative activists from around the country to a dusty stretch of land about 80 miles east of the Vegas Strip. 

Last Tuesday, as he started to read more and more about the situation on The Drudge Report, Jerry DeLemus decided to give Bundy a call.

They spent more than an hour on the phone. "What do you need?" said DeLemus, who was calling from some 2,700 miles away in Dover, N.H. 

"I need help," Bundy told him. "I need bodies."

"I'm coming," DeLemus said. 

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: blm; bundy; bundyranch; nevada

1 posted on 04/16/2014 5:29:29 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: lowbridge
The opening picture of this article shows the ONLY reason BLM and the Feds backed off.

There were another 50 like him...and another 50 in the hills with scoped rifles.

2 posted on 04/16/2014 5:38:58 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

If there is a hole there he was aimed right In on them. And I kinda think from the looks of him, there was a hole ,and a plan


3 posted on 04/16/2014 5:43:11 PM PDT by easternsky
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To: easternsky

I’m sure the Federales were asking themselves how well they would hold up under 1000rds of well-aimed fire in less than a minute.


4 posted on 04/16/2014 5:47:09 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: lowbridge

1866 Water Law/ USC CHAPTER 15 §661

U.S. v. Estate of E. Wayne Hage


5 posted on 04/16/2014 5:47:34 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45 (Americans, happy in tutelage by the reflection that they have chosen their own dictators.)
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To: Mariner; All
Has anyone noticed the environmental groups are absent on the ground there? No big press releases either.

But you can bet they are PISSED. Pressure from them will be enormous on the Dim politicians and bureaucrats.

Folks, we have a New Sagebrush Rebellion and emerging Range War.

6 posted on 04/16/2014 5:51:11 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: lowbridge

Support your local militia!
Always!


7 posted on 04/16/2014 6:05:31 PM PDT by MountainDad (Support your local Militia)
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To: lowbridge
"Glenn [Beck] doesn't know the whole story," DeLemus said. "He needs to come out here."
8 posted on 04/16/2014 6:05:38 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: lowbridge

Because he’s out of his mind?


9 posted on 04/16/2014 6:06:53 PM PDT by babble-on
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To: lowbridge

Letter in the Las Vegas Sun comments section about Bundy:

“There have been a lot of people criticizing Clive Bundy because he did not pay his grazing fees for 20 years. The public is also probably wondering why so many other cowboys are supporting Mr. Bundy even though they paid their fees and Clive did not.

What you people probably do not realize is that on every rancher’s grazing permit it says the following: “You are authorized to make grazing use of the lands, under the jurisdiction of the Bureau of Land Management and covered by this grazing permit, upon your acceptance of the terms and conditions of this grazing permit and payment of grazing fees when due.”

The “mandatory” terms and conditions go on to list the allotment, the number and kind of livestock to be grazed, when the permit begins and ends, the number of active or suspended AUMs (animal units per month), etc. The terms and conditions also list specific requirements such as where salt or mineral supplements can be located, maximum allowable use of forage levels (40% of annual growth), etc., and include a lot more stringent policies that must be adhered to. Every rancher must sign this “contract” agreeing to abide by the TERMS AND CONDITIONS before he or she can make payment.

In the early 90s, the BLM went on a frenzy and drastically cut almost every rancher’s permit because of this desert tortoise issue, even though all of us ranchers knew that cow and desert tortoise had co-existed for a hundred+ years. As an example, a family friend had his permit cut by 90%. For those of you who are non ranchers, that would be equated to getting your paycheck cut 90%. In 1976 there were approximately 52 ranching permittees in this area of Nevada. Presently, there are 3.

Most of these people lost their livelihoods because of the actions of the BLM. Clive Bundy was one of these people who received extremely unfair and unreasonable TERMS AND CONDITIONS.

Keep in mind that Mr. Bundy was required to sign this contract before he was allowed to pay. Had Clive signed on the dotted line, he would have, in essence, signed his very livelihood away. And so Mr. Bundy took a stand, not only for himself, but for all of us.

He refused to be destroyed by a tyrannical federal entity and to have his American liberties and freedoms taken away. Also keep in mind that all ranchers financially paid dearly for the forage rights those permits allow – - not rights to the land, but rights to use the forage that grows on that land.

Many of these AUMS are water based, meaning that the rancher also has a vested right (state owned, not federal) to the waters that adjoin the lands and allow the livestock to drink. These water rights were also purchased at a great price.

If a rancher cannot show beneficial use of the water (he must have the appropriate number of livestock that drinks and uses that water), then he loses that water right. Usually water rights and forage rights go hand in hand.

Contrary to what the BLM is telling you, they NEVER compensate a rancher for the AUMs they take away. Most times, they tell ranchers that their AUMS are “suspended,” but not removed. Unfortunately, my family has thousands of “suspended” AUMs that will probably never be returned.

And so, even though these ranchers throughout the course of a hundred years invested thousands(and perhaps millions) of dollars and sacrificed along the way to obtain these rights through purchase from others, at a whim the government can take everything away with the stroke of a pen. This is the very thing that Clive Bundy singlehandedly took a stand against. Thank you, Clive, from a rancher who considers you a hero.


10 posted on 04/16/2014 6:14:16 PM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Oatka

With your permission, I would like to post your comments to some other forums that I frequent?

Thank You for a great post .. one which has clarified the situation for non ranchers such as myself1


11 posted on 04/16/2014 6:34:01 PM PDT by stirrinthepuddin
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To: Mariner

“The opening picture of this article shows the ONLY reason BLM and the Feds backed off. There were another 50 like him...and another 50 in the hills with scoped rifles.”

Actually, cameras and peaceful disobedience are far mightier weapons in this stage of the fight. One shot at a Fed would have changed the entire situation, much the worse for our side. Bundy would have been labeled a terrorist and it would have given the administration an excuse to label every conservative in the nation a terrorist and start confiscating stuff.

At the point where the feds are prepared to shoot unarmed civilians on camera, the nation will have much bigger problems that it does even today.


12 posted on 04/16/2014 6:59:54 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: stirrinthepuddin

Go for it. I am going to post in on those sites where a majority are chanting “He broke the law!” as if they were trying to summon some entity from another dimension.


13 posted on 04/16/2014 7:09:16 PM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: kiryandil
These videos are for people who don't yet understand why Cliven Bundy broke his agreement with the BLM. They show why the BLM should not even be managing the public lands of Nevada or any other state.

1of3 Stephen Pratt speaking to Sheriffs at WSSA conference

2of3 Stephen Pratt speaking to Sheriffs at WSSA conference

3of3 Stephen Pratt speaking to Sheriffs at WSSA conference

Here's one that shows why the Sheriff of Clark County is duty bound to keep the BLM and all Federal agents from arresting Cliven Bundy.

Steven Pratt, Bound by Oath to Support THIS Constitution,/a>

14 posted on 04/16/2014 7:11:07 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: stirrinthepuddin

Please remember to credit the LV Sun where it was posted by oneladywriter.

http://lasvegassun.com/news/2014/apr/11/q-behind-bundy-blm-battle/

This is a left wing subset of the Las Vegas Review Journal (they couldn’t make it as a separate newspaper and had to be absorbed), so you will see a lot of anti-Bundy comments as well.


15 posted on 04/16/2014 7:15:56 PM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Oatka

Thank You.

Will be sure to give credit where credit is due!


16 posted on 04/16/2014 7:24:30 PM PDT by stirrinthepuddin
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To: Oatka

great post, I cut, copied, pasted and sent it on to about 800 people on my everybody list................thanks..............

I really think and hope your letter gets out to EVERYBODY in the US concerned about the Federal Government running amok........From the Whitehouse on down to every single agency the feds have..........I honestly don’t think there is an exception to the rule.


17 posted on 04/16/2014 7:34:28 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: Mariner
There were another 50 like him...and another 50 in the hills with scoped rifles.

How do you know that?

18 posted on 04/16/2014 7:39:12 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: Mariner

Nope. It’s not a new range war. It’s the next WACO.


19 posted on 04/16/2014 7:41:01 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: Oatka
By all means, PLEASE keep posting that information on any forum you can gain access to. Far too many leftwing liberal socialist snobs are trumpeting the Bundy Ranch incident as merely some radical radical right-wing nut refusing to pay his taxes and therefore deserving of the paramilitary goons doing whatever they wish to him.

We all need to understand what is going on and supporting the Bundy family as much as possible!

20 posted on 04/16/2014 8:48:12 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Utilizer

What is visible on the ground and what is visible by court orders obscures the essence of what is going on behind the scenes. There are many aspects/’questions’ as to the Fed actions and intentions.
1) Why was the Bundy’s operations the last of so called enforcement seizures or even clampdowns?
2) Why wasn’t a public notice given as to any intended conveyance of use?
3) Who was responsible for the tortoise excuse when there were already dead and living under BLM control?
4) Since the land as claimed belongs to the Feds i.e. people of the USA(?) why wasn’t this a public notice?
5) Why does the Federal government use/need jackbooted to intimidate ordinary USA citizens?
6) Are all the parties to the Fed action and interest being exposed? and for what purposes?
There are so many more questions that need to be addressed before an impartial jury of/for the People’s satisfaction’ This is not Harry Reid’s, nor his son, nor any other lackey’s property to be take from an established land user and turned over to another group for whatever Reid and his lackeys decide fit their plans and wallets. I wouldn’t count on human beings as justices to be above not being scoundrels.


21 posted on 04/16/2014 9:24:05 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: lowbridge

Read it, everybody.

22 posted on 04/16/2014 9:34:13 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: Mariner

At Waco and Ruby Ridge the Feds could put in their shift and go back to the motel. They could keep their focus forward. They had no worries, America was at their back.

Things have changed. These BLM troops were lucky to make it out of there alive. They had America at their back.


23 posted on 04/17/2014 1:57:16 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Sadly is just may well be. Or maybe the next Shot Heard around the world.
The thing is that Bundy isn’t a leader of a kook religion. He is a rancher who is getting screwed at the behest of crooked Politicians and a Fed Government that is clearly out of control. He is your average Joe who is trying to do right by his family.
The incident at Waco was clearly a staged attack by a BATF that wanted to make headlines and keep their budget high. The Bundy incident is staged to line the pocket of just one man and his whole crooked family. One man, Harry Reid, has the power to take land and order up armed troops to attack one rancher. Never in a million years did any American think this was ever possible.
This could end in bloodshed. the Obama regime is looking for one thing to declare the 2nd Amendment null and void. After guns are out of the way, then every freedom we enjoy will fall like dominos.


24 posted on 04/17/2014 5:32:53 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: ModelBreaker

Whoever fires the first round in this new war will lose.


25 posted on 04/17/2014 7:56:17 AM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (Vote Democrat. Once you're OK with killing babies the rest is easy. <BCC><)
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To: B4Ranch

Thank you for continuing to post those links. Vital.


26 posted on 04/17/2014 8:01:11 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o

Education is a slooooooow process, especially when you are dealing with people who think they know it all.


27 posted on 04/17/2014 8:20:10 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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