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Who Are the Real Saboteurs of Immigration Reform?
Townhall.com ^ | April 17, 2014 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 04/17/2014 4:34:12 AM PDT by Kaslin

Solving the illegal immigration problem should not be hard. No one knows how many foreign nationals are residing illegally in the United States -- estimates range from 11 million to 20 million. But everyone understands that it is an untenable situation that must be addressed.

The two extreme positions of the Left and Right probably have little public support -- on the one hand, blanket amnesties and open borders, and on the other, deportation of all foreign nationals who reside here without legal authorization.

Polls show that most Americans want something in between.

Close the border. Allow entry only to those who have legal permission. Ensure that employers hire only those foreign nationals who have valid green cards. Permit those who have resided here for a while, who are without criminal records and are employed, to apply inside the U.S. for either a pathway to citizenship or legal residence.

Require that those residing here unlawfully pay a fine for breaking the law and wait in line until immigrants who followed the law are first processed. Reform legal immigration to make it ethnically blind and predicated on skill sets and education rather than on proximity to our borders or on family connections to those residing here unlawfully.

(Excerpt) Read more at townhall.com ...


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1 posted on 04/17/2014 4:34:13 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

What a disappointment to see VDH come out for amnesty for illegals!


2 posted on 04/17/2014 4:45:11 AM PDT by Piranha (Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have - Saul Alinsky)
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To: Piranha
Explain exactly where you get that idea?
3 posted on 04/17/2014 4:47:32 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

Agree...sad to read this. He’s a great guy, otherwise.

This ruse REALLY gets me mad:

“Require that those residing here unlawfully pay a fine for breaking the law and wait in line until immigrants who followed the law are first processed.”

They’re trying to throw a bone to conservatives, yet ANYONE WITH A BRAIN will know the fines will get waived for just about everyone, except maybe some Swede with $1M in the bank. They are TOYING with us, when they come out like this.

As to “waiting in line”, that’s NEVER going to happen either. Instead, there won’t be a line - they will just hire enough people to process the forms and have them legalized practically overnight.

...and why the hell is he using the talking points of the left in the first place?


4 posted on 04/17/2014 4:53:46 AM PDT by BobL
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To: Kaslin

“Explain exactly where you get that idea?”

Once you let them stay and work that is AMNESTY, as they are now immune to punishment for BREAKING THE LAW.

Unfortunately Ted Cruz’s position is no different. The only thing stopping this crap from happening is that Cruz doesn’t want to give citizenship to these people, whereas the Democrats insist on it.

...but it doesn’t matter, we will be a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT country in two generations, and not for the better, if we don’t figure out a way to get the Illegals to go home.


5 posted on 04/17/2014 4:56:05 AM PDT by BobL
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To: Kaslin

The majority does NOT support what VDH is proposing here.

The ONLY way is for these people to go back to their home country and re-apply to come legally.

To do otherwise is flipping a big ol’ F.U. to all of the LEGAL immigrants who obeyed our laws and came here the proper way.


6 posted on 04/17/2014 4:56:46 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Piranha

You obviously didn’t bother to read the article. The purpose of commenting on an article is to discuss the merits of the article not the excerpt.


7 posted on 04/17/2014 4:57:23 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Sheesh, he’s not proposing anything he’s explaining REAL positions of both sides.


8 posted on 04/17/2014 4:58:30 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: McGavin999

“Sheesh, he’s not proposing anything he’s explaining REAL positions of both sides.”

It certainly sounds as though he’s “disappointed” that we cannot “compromise” and let the ILLEGALS stay and work here legally...i.e., Amnesty.


9 posted on 04/17/2014 5:00:38 AM PDT by BobL
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To: Kaslin

Who is talking about mass deportation? That’s a red herring. In some cases aggressive enforcement may lead to many immigrants going home (see President Eisenhower’s initiative)but for the most part as the current laws are enforced fairly most illegals will go home. We really need to follow the lead of Canada and review our policy of granting citizenship as a birthright. One cannot do this in a welfare state and expect anything other than what is happening now.


10 posted on 04/17/2014 5:02:00 AM PDT by MSF BU (n)
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To: Kaslin

So... when people come out FOR murder and AGAINST murder, the rational thing to do is pass a law forgiving murders already committed.

And when people come out FOR bank robbery and AGAINST bank robbery, the rational thing to do is pass a law forgiving bank robberies already committed.

The law is the law; either it means something or it means nothing.


11 posted on 04/17/2014 5:02:07 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Kaslin
RE :”Permit those who have resided here for a while, who are without criminal records and are employed, to apply inside the U.S. for either a pathway to citizenship or legal residence.
Require that those residing here unlawfully pay a fine for breaking the law and wait in line until immigrants who followed the law are first processed.”

This is where it breaks down, and where he contradicts himself.

The Rubio-Schumer amnesty bill still allowed them to get some federal benefits during probation while Rubio claimed it didn't. Any amnesty bill will end up putting illegals at the front of the immigration line, then they will demand all their relatives get amnesty too.

12 posted on 04/17/2014 5:10:23 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor if you want. I never tell a lie ')
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To: Kaslin

I’m for amnesty for illegal aliens ! They get amnesty from prosecution for illegal entry and theft of American services provided they go home along with their anchor babies. If they don’t 10 years in prison and the anchor babies get deported to their country of origin that has jurisdiction over them. The home country can provide for their citizen’s children until they are deported after serving their sentence. You start doing that they will not come.
If we have to amend the Constitution to read “ Citizenship by birth can only be conferred by legal citizens and those who have immigrated legally and have received citizenship status. Birth on U S territory does not confer any privileges or benefits to non citizens or their children.”


13 posted on 04/17/2014 5:11:45 AM PDT by bonehead4freedom
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To: Jack Hammer

I was thinking exactly the same. Yes, you can change the law and have it apply retroactively, and say it’s not Amnesty, but that is not what’s being proposed here.

If that were proposed a bank robber facing 30 years in jail, might only face 20 years, if the law changes before his trial (and maybe if it changes after), and future bank robbers would only be looking at 20 years.

Using the same logic, if “Comprehensive Immigration Reform” were simply a change in laws, then EVERYONE who enters the country, legally or not, should be allowed to go a Social Security Office and registers to stay here, work here, and bring family over, after paying some token “fine”. No one’s promising that - they’re saying, NO MORE ILLEGAL ENTRY after this second Amnesty, just like they promised after the first Amnesty.

Bottom-line...anything that legalizes these people is Amnesty. It’s NO DIFFERENT than when towns get rid of penalties for paying old parking tickets, and yes, they call that AMNESTY.


14 posted on 04/17/2014 5:13:13 AM PDT by BobL
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To: Jack Hammer

I get mad when people try to redefine the language. It’s like meeting Republicans from California (San Francisco area). They will INSIST that they’re conservatives because they only support increasing the state budget 8% per year, rather than 10%. If you ask them about abortion, gay marriage, the environment, etc. you’d swear you were talking to Blabbermouth Shultz. They will INSIST that they are the real conservatives, rather than the religious nutcases out there on the right.

AMNESTY is AMNESTY...either you keep it a crime punished by the threat of DEPORTATION or it’s AMNESTY.


15 posted on 04/17/2014 5:18:51 AM PDT by BobL
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To: Piranha
Anything short of kicking their asses back across the border is amnesty.
16 posted on 04/17/2014 5:19:54 AM PDT by Excellence (Marine mom since April 11, 2014)
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To: Kaslin; Piranha; P-Marlowe
Permit those who have resided here for a while, who are without criminal records and are employed, to apply inside the U.S. for either a pathway to citizenship or legal residence.

This is where he gets it.

That said, a personal contact leads me to believe that the Chamber of Commerce is concerned only with the "immediate deportation" argument of many conservatives. Those conservatives have their point; it is inappropriate to have illegals here when we know they illegally entered the country. It is condoning illegal entry into the US.

The Chamber's argument is that the service, agriculture, and construction industries would collapse if illegals were "immediately removed." This, they say, would cause a depression level recession in the country until it was sorted out. They believe those industries are the location of so many illegals that it wouldn't be able to replace their jobs with able workers very quickly. They have a point. Any deportations, some of these people say, should take place over about a decade to allow for a gradual transition.

That is another of many excellent arguments for a bill that does one thing at a time (omnibus bills should be outlawed) and the first change must be total control of our borders, coasts, and visa programs.

With that simple step, everything else will eventually return to balance on its own. Stop the inflow and attrition will over time take care of everything else.

As for those illegals already here, green cards and pathways to citizenship are irrelevant. There is already a green card and immigration program. If they want one, then have them do it according to the current system. Their turn will eventually come up from their own side of the border, and then they'll be legal. It's true that some might find a way to apply on their side and return to this side while they wait. My sense is that no security program is absolute, so they always can gamble on making it through a 2nd time. Some might find a way to have someone else apply for them on their side while they stay on this side. We already have a worker verification program in place. If it's doing its job, then they are at risk.

So, the bottom line is this, we don't need a deportation program. All we need is a total control of borders, coasts, and visas program. Everything else will fall into place.

17 posted on 04/17/2014 5:20:52 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: BobL

Yep; agree.


18 posted on 04/17/2014 5:21:21 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: BobL

Yes, you’re right.


19 posted on 04/17/2014 5:21:58 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Kaslin
Permit those who have resided here for a while, who are without criminal records and are employed, to apply inside the U.S. for either a pathway to citizenship or legal residence.

Respectfully, just exactly what part of this sentence does not loudly SCREAM amnesty?

The very fact they came here illegally automatically makes them criminals with a yet-to-be-documented criminal record.

20 posted on 04/17/2014 5:22:47 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: Piranha

Yep. Et tu, Victor?


21 posted on 04/17/2014 5:23:44 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Jack Hammer

Any BY THE WAY, I could CARE LESS what polling shows either way. The people being polled, for certain, have not thought it through. Tell them that their grand kids will be a living in a Third World nation if Amnesty passes, and THEN ask them if they support Amnesty.

The people polled simply want the issue to go away so they don’t have to hear all the “bickering” and they don’t really care which way it goes...so the questioner gets to direct them by the phrasing of the question.

(now I’ll calm down)


22 posted on 04/17/2014 5:23:54 AM PDT by BobL
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To: xzins

Taking the taxpayer-subsidized, “cheap” labor out of the equation would lead to sectors like agriculture to modernize more quickly, which would be a good thing. And for nasty work such as in slaughterhouses and chicken factories, there’d be a fair increase in wages that would also give more jobs to low-skill American workers.

There is no practical deportation plan that would eliminate illegal workers overnight, but vigorous deportation coupled with an aggressive e-verify program would take care of the bulk of the issue within a couple of years.

Yeah, some of those companies being subsidized by taxpayers would take a bit of a hit, but our real unemployment rate would go down and our increasing crisis in the skill level of our workforce would be significantly lessened.


23 posted on 04/17/2014 5:28:35 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Kaslin
The real saboteurs are the people selectively enforcing current immigration law.

If they are selectively enforcing this one, they'll selectively enforce a new one.

Enforce current law and we can discuss a new one.

24 posted on 04/17/2014 5:29:07 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The best way to control opposition is to lead it ourselves." -- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin)
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To: Kaslin

I hear politicians say we need a “pathway to citizenship for illegals.”

How about I-35 south?


25 posted on 04/17/2014 5:29:15 AM PDT by IamConservative
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To: 9YearLurker

They don’t think so. They think any short term deportation program will crash the economy.

As pointed out, controlling the border, coasts, and visas is the only thing needed to fix this. We already have everything else in place that is necessary.

I don’t favor a door-to-door search for illegals, so the only realistic plan is simply attrition.


26 posted on 04/17/2014 5:31:55 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

Your last sentence tells it all. What good is a deportation program if one illegal is deported and 10 other cross the border illegally. Total control of the border, coasts and visas is the key.


27 posted on 04/17/2014 5:34:13 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

Well the reason that “Americans” polled that want something in between is probably because you’re polling Hispanics or the illegal immigrants themselves


28 posted on 04/17/2014 5:36:44 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: bonehead4freedom
........ amend the Constitution to read: “ Citizenship by birth can only be conferred by legal citizens and those who have immigrated legally and have received citizenship status. Birth on U S territory does not confer any privileges or benefits to non citizens or their children”........

Sorely needed, of course. Yet, The persistence and arrogance of the illegals must be factored in.

We must recognize that their outsized "sense of entitlement" can never be extinguished.....by any amendment.

The Third World has apparently coached and prepared their citizens to rip-off America and to send the money back home.....impoverished countries depend on American dollars to survive.

A US post office near the Mexican border was used by illegals to send gravy train money back home. It was so busy, the US govt had to add-on several trailers to handle the business.

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Amnesty is a Third World ticket to the endless gravy train---US taxpayers are forced to finance Third World pressure groups---all of them, lined up w/ their hands out for zillions in "foreign aid."

LYING IN WAIT FOR OUR TAX DOLLARS---THESE IMPOVERISHED COUNTRIES CURRENTLY HAVE ORGANIZED PRESSURE GROUPS INSIDE THE US (here illegally): Argentina, Belize, Bolivia, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominica Republic, Ecuador, Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Puerto Rico (stateside)l Salvador, Spain, Uruguay, Venezuela.

29 posted on 04/17/2014 5:38:43 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Kaslin

Exactly, and that’s why our politicians muddy the water, because they keep the current system and they don’t get border control. If they get an amnesty program without controlled border, coast, and visa, then they win that way, too.

They win by border/coast/visa control NOT happening.

My guess is that they’re more than happy with the status quo.


30 posted on 04/17/2014 5:38:55 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Kaslin
The two extreme positions of the Left and Right probably have little public support -- on the one hand, blanket amnesties and open borders, and on the other, deportation of all foreign nationals who reside here without legal authorization.

Aside from Globalists and anti-white leftist loons who is against deportation of foreign nationals in principle if not in practice?

31 posted on 04/17/2014 5:41:19 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Kaslin

The solution to the immigration problem is simple.

1. close the borders. Build a fence.
2. Deport aliens as caught.
3. Enforce employer sanctions vigorously.
4. Reunite families in their countries of origin.
5. End birthright citizenship
6 Close the borders.


32 posted on 04/17/2014 5:46:07 AM PDT by chesley
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To: Kaslin
Explain exactly where you get that idea?

VDH has jumped the shark. Any legislation that allows the lawbreakers to stay and work here is amnesty. The proponents of amnesty are wont to create two choices: mass deportation or blanket amnesty. The former is obviously not practical operationally or politically so you are left with a blanket amnesty.

There are other alternatives. The lawbreakers did not get here overnight and won't leave overnight. Attrition thru enforcement works. There is no need or urgency to legalize the lawbreakers. When you reward something, you get more of it.

VDH is using the same arguments as the RINOs who supported the gang of 8 bill. It is surrender. And VDH fails to address the electoral impact of an amnesty or answer such questions as to whether those who are legalized will be able to sponsor their relatives to join them thru chain migration.

Very disappointing for the guy who authored Mexifornia.

33 posted on 04/17/2014 5:50:09 AM PDT by kabar
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To: McGavin999
Sheesh, he’s not proposing anything he’s explaining REAL positions of both sides.

VDH is mischaracterizing the position of our side, i.e., those of us supporting the Rule of Law. No responsible person is suggesting mass deportation. I have worked in the immigration reform movement for seven years, lobbying on the Hill and in Richmond.

34 posted on 04/17/2014 5:54:21 AM PDT by kabar
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To: MSF BU
Who is talking about mass deportation?

How does ungoing deportation sound? Whenever an invader is arrested, applies for school admittance, jobs, credit, medical and other benefits....anything at all, they should be sent home never to be allowed back in the US. That policy should NEVER END and the problem will solve itself.

That's what US citizens, whose job, education, and safety net opportunities are being destroyed want. ALL of the politicians are just trying to sound good, but are in reality bought and paid for by the cheap labor whores.

I once thought this website was with constitutional conservatives.

35 posted on 04/17/2014 6:02:58 AM PDT by grania
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To: xzins
This is where he gets it.

This is where VDH supports amnesty.

The Chamber's argument is that the service, agriculture, and construction industries would collapse if illegals were "immediately removed." This, they say, would cause a depression level recession in the country until it was sorted out. They believe those industries are the location of so many illegals that it wouldn't be able to replace their jobs with able workers very quickly. They have a point. Any deportations, some of these people say, should take place over about a decade to allow for a gradual transition.

This is just BS. The Chamber of Commerce supports amnesty and the doubling of guest worker programs. They take jobs away from Americans and depress wages. With 21 million Americans looking for work or underemployed, there is no shortage of labor.

Still No Evidence of a Labor Shortage Immigrant and native employment in the fourth quarter of 2013

Congress is currently considering immigration reform packages that include work permits for those in the country illegally, as well as substantial increases in future legal immigration. Yet the latest employment data continue to show an enormous number of working-age Americans not working, particularly those with modest levels of education.

Among the findings:

In the fourth quarter of 2013, the standard unemployment rate (referred to as U-3) for native-born adults who have not completed high school was 16.6 percent, while for those with only a high school education it was 8.5. The U-3 unemployed are people who have looked for a job in the last four weeks.

The broader U-6 measure of unemployment — which includes those want to work, but have not looked recently, and those forced to work part-time — was 28.7 percent for native-born adults who have not completed high school and 16.5 percent for those with only a high school education.

The total number of native-born, working-age adults (18 to 65) of any education level not working (unemployed or out the labor force) was 50.5 million in the fourth quarter of 2012 — 8.8 million more than in the fourth quarter of 2007, and 14.7 million more than in the same quarter of 2000.

The share of working-age (18 to 65) natives holding a job has not recovered from the Great Recession. In the fourth quarter of 2013, 31 percent were not working, something that has barely improved in the last five years.

In the fourth quarter of 2013, there were only two working-age natives holding a job for every one that was not employed. This represents a huge deterioration. As recently as 2000, there were three working-age adults holding a job for every one not working.

As for those illegals already here, green cards and pathways to citizenship are irrelevant. There is already a green card and immigration program. If they want one, then have them do it according to the current system. Their turn will eventually come up from their own side of the border, and then they'll be legal.

As someone who has actually issued immigrant visas, most of them would not qualify for a tourist visa let alone a permanent immigrant visa. And there are four million intending legal immigrants waiting overseas for their turn to enter. They have completed all the paperwork, background investigations, physicals, etc.

36 posted on 04/17/2014 6:09:53 AM PDT by kabar
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To: McGavin999

>> You obviously didn’t bother to read the article <<

Welcome to FR!


37 posted on 04/17/2014 6:10:29 AM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: kabar

I do believe that those concerns of a huge vacuum in certain jobs if an overnight deportation program were initiated. You can’t just fit any unemployed person into any job. It has to be the right fit, and that takes time.

However, my basic point is that total control of the border, coasts, and visas will take care of the illegal problem.

We don’t need any new laws about green cards, immigration rules, paths to citizenship, etc. Control entry and everything else falls into place.


38 posted on 04/17/2014 6:20:02 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

They don’t want to lose the taxpayer subsidy for every artificially low-priced illegal they hire. So of course they project catastrophe for anything that threatens that.


39 posted on 04/17/2014 6:20:44 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

I have no doubt there’s some whining going on. That doesn’t, however, change the basic fact that total control of borders, coasts, visas will fix this problem. Nothing else is necessary.


40 posted on 04/17/2014 6:23:09 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Kaslin

Permit those who have resided here for a while, who are without criminal records and are employed, to apply inside the U.S. for either a pathway to citizenship or legal residence.

Ahhhh NO.


41 posted on 04/17/2014 6:24:57 AM PDT by Altura Ct. (i)
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To: xzins

But it doesn’t fix the problem. We already have upwards of 20 million low-skill illegals here, and if we give them amnesty they’ll nearly triple their numbers via chain migration.

Even 20 million new Democrat voters (a majority of whom will be on some form of welfare) will sink this country for good—let alone 60 million new ones.


42 posted on 04/17/2014 6:31:54 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

I don’t want to give them amnesty. I want to totally control the border, coasts, and visas.

That’s all we need to do.


43 posted on 04/17/2014 6:44:03 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: kabar
No responsible person is suggesting mass deportation.

Says who ? Sure sounds like Komrade Obummer's assertion that "climate change" is "settled science". Horsepuckey !

I'd say no responsible person supports the continued infestation of illegal aliens and their spawn and their continuing to rob, rape, murder and exploit Americans.

I'd deport every one of their rear ends and their anchor babies right along with 'em.

44 posted on 04/17/2014 6:45:13 AM PDT by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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To: xzins
I do believe that those concerns of a huge vacuum in certain jobs if an overnight deportation program were initiated. You can’t just fit any unemployed person into any job. It has to be the right fit, and that takes time.

This is a phony strawman. "Overnight" or mass deportation is not going to happen. No Congressman has ever proposed it as a solution nor has anyone from any of the major immigration organizations or think tanks. It is ridiculous to bring it up unless you have an agenda, i.e., blanket amnesty.

Are There Really Jobs Americans Won’t Do? A detailed look at immigrant and native employment across occupations

This analysis tests the often-made argument that immigrants do only jobs Americans don't want. If the argument is correct, there should be occupations comprised entirely or almost entirely of immigrants (legal and illegal). But Census Bureau data collected from 2009 to 2011, which allows for detailed analysis of all 472 separate occupations, shows that there were only a handful of majority-immigrant occupations. Thus, there really are no jobs that Americans won't do. Further, we estimated the share of occupations that are comprised of illegal immigrants, and found that there are no occupations in which the majority of workers are illegally in the country.

Among the findings:

Of the 472 civilian occupations, only six are majority immigrant (legal and illegal). These six occupations account for 1 percent of the total U.S. workforce. Moreover, native-born Americans still comprise 46 percent of workers even in these occupations.

Many jobs often thought to be overwhelmingly immigrant (legal and illegal) are in fact majority native-born:

Maids and housekeepers: 51 percent native-born

Taxi drivers and chauffeurs: 58 percent native-born

Butchers and meat processors: 63 percent native-born

Grounds maintenance workers: 64 percent native-born

Construction laborers: 66 percent native-born

Porters, bellhops, and concierges: 72 percent native-born

Janitors: 73 percent native-born

There are 67 occupations in which 25 percent or more of workers are immigrants (legal and illegal). In these high-immigrant occupations, there are still 16.5 million natives — accounting for one out of eight natives in the labor force.

High-immigrant occupations (25 percent or more immigrant) are primarily, but not exclusively, lower-wage jobs that require relatively little formal education.

In high-immigrant occupations, 59 percent of the natives have no education beyond high school, compared to 31 percent of the rest of the labor force.

Some may think that native-born workers in high-immigrant occupations are mostly older, with few young natives willing to do such work. But 34 percent of natives in these occupations are age 30 or younger, compared to 27 percent of natives in the rest of labor force.

It is worth remembering that not all high-immigrant occupations are lower skilled. For example, 36 percent of software engineers are immigrants as are 27 percent of physicians.

A number of politically important groups tend to face very little job competition from immigrants (legal and illegal). For example, just 10 percent of reporters are immigrants, as are only 6 percent of lawyers and judges and 6 percent of farmers and ranchers.

Estimates of Illegal Immigrants

We find that there are no occupations in the United States in which a majority of workers are illegal immigrants.

Illegal immigrants work mostly in construction, cleaning, maintenance, food service, garment manufacturing, and agricultural occupations. However, the overwhelming majority of workers even in these areas are native-born or legal immigrants.

Although illegal immigrants comprise a large share of workers in agriculture, farm workers are only a tiny share of the total labor force. Consistent with other research, just 5 percent of all illegal immigrants work in agriculture.

However, my basic point is that total control of the border, coasts, and visas will take care of the illegal problem.

Cutting off the job magnet is most important. Mandatory e-verify and tough employer penalties will aid in that effort.

We don’t need any new laws about green cards, immigration rules, paths to citizenship, etc. Control entry and everything else falls into place.

We need to reduce legal immigration from the current 1.1 million a year to far less, e.g., around 300,000. And we should move to a merit based system vice the current kinship system.

45 posted on 04/17/2014 6:46:22 AM PDT by kabar
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To: xzins

So what are you expecting for those already here?


46 posted on 04/17/2014 6:46:52 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

What do I expect of them? What will they do?

I think that as the number of illegals goes down because of total control of the borders, coasts, visas, that they will eventually go away.

The border/coast/visa deal is the most important by far. We don’t need any other laws after that.


47 posted on 04/17/2014 6:50:46 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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I'd deport every one of their rear ends and their anchor babies right along with 'em.

Attrition thru enforcement works. I am not against deportation, which is the law of the land. I just don't believe mass deportation is feasible operationally or politically.

FYI: We have 800,000 absconders running around the country, i.e., lawbreakers who have been ordered by the courts for deportation, but have failed to leave, e.g., Obama's uncle and aunt. We should be taking these people from the court house to the airport for deportation.

48 posted on 04/17/2014 6:51:49 AM PDT by kabar
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Those numbers have nothing to do with fitting the right person into the right job. That takes time. It just does.


49 posted on 04/17/2014 6:52:14 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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But border, coast and visa controls only stop the addition of new illegals—what about the 20 million already here?

Toss in the enforcement of current immigration laws and broad use of e-verify, including for current employees, and I’m with you. That, IMO, would cure it.


50 posted on 04/17/2014 6:52:26 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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