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Putin Asserts Right To Use Force In Eastern Ukraine
The New York Times ^ | April 17, 2014 | By David M. Herszenhorn

Posted on 04/17/2014 6:23:59 AM PDT by Fennie

MOSCOW -- President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia emphasized on Thursday that the upper chamber of the Russian Parliament had authorized him to use military force if necessary in eastern Ukraine, and also stressed Russia's historical claim to the territory, repeatedly referring to it as "new Russia" and saying that only "God knows" why it became part of Ukraine.

Speaking in a televised question-and-answer show, Mr. Putin also admitted for the first time that Russian armed forces had been deployed in Crimea, the disputed peninsula that Russia annexed last month immediately after a large majority of the population voted in a referendum to secede from Ukraine.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: coldwar2; communism; kgb; newrussia; novorossiya; obama; putin; russia; sovietunion; ukraine
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1 posted on 04/17/2014 6:23:59 AM PDT by Fennie
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To: Fennie

I wonder how many Ukrainian “security risks” have been placed in camps or murdered outright by now.


2 posted on 04/17/2014 6:26:46 AM PDT by Seruzawa (Get ready, little lady. Hell is coming to breakfast.)
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To: Fennie
OF COURSE he does. He's ready to take over as the new CZAR of Russia. He's a bully and "ready to roll" right over anyone who gets in his way.

What else is new in Russia?

3 posted on 04/17/2014 6:27:32 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

Exactly. It’s wrong to try to frame Putin in any context that is not of Russian nature. The Hitler comparisons are just flat out wrong. Hitler was not the first, nor the last leader who tried to gain territory.


4 posted on 04/17/2014 6:29:24 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Fennie

Part of the transcript is already posted on the Kremlin website. The annual Q&A was carried live by all the Russian TV channels.

It should be noted Putin stressed again the use of force in Ukraine would be a very last resort. Obviously, all legal and diplomatic means to attain a political solution would have to be exhausted first. But its significant Russia is not closing off that option.


5 posted on 04/17/2014 6:29:48 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: cloudmountain

the people of this region WANT to be Russian. we have our own little tin plated dictator...lets deal with him and let Vlad the Impaler do what he does....


6 posted on 04/17/2014 6:30:03 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Fennie

If anyone ever uttered “Da!” on a piece of dirt, Putin owns it.

And nobody is going to stop him.


7 posted on 04/17/2014 6:31:22 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Mohammed was a Child Rapist and Islam is a Totalitarian Death Cult.)
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To: Fennie

Can Bibi Netanyahu implement the Putin Standard and recreate the Greater Israel of the Torah?


8 posted on 04/17/2014 6:32:14 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Mohammed was a Child Rapist and Islam is a Totalitarian Death Cult.)
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To: Fennie; Strategy

Morning Fennie. Been posting anything besides Breaking News? Are you getting along okay with Strategy?


9 posted on 04/17/2014 6:32:48 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Fennie

I say we take back the Philippines.


10 posted on 04/17/2014 6:33:46 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Mohammed was a Child Rapist and Islam is a Totalitarian Death Cult.)
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To: Fennie

Having once conquered Japan and Germany, I want them back as the 58th and 59th states.


11 posted on 04/17/2014 6:34:34 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Mohammed was a Child Rapist and Islam is a Totalitarian Death Cult.)
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To: Vaquero

I find it rather embarrassing when Obama expresses outrage that Russia has troops massed on their southern border. I’d be thrilled if US troops were amassed on the Mexican border!


12 posted on 04/17/2014 6:36:10 AM PDT by grania
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To: goldstategop

It should be noted Putin stressed again the use of force in Ukraine would be a very last resort. Obviously, all legal and diplomatic means to attain a political solution would have to be exhausted first.

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LOL. Just like in Crimea, right?

Clearly all legal and diplomatic means were followed to attain that result. /s


13 posted on 04/17/2014 6:36:38 AM PDT by dmz
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To: Fennie

In before “Putin is the Greatest Man Ever and Defender of Christianity!”


14 posted on 04/17/2014 6:36:55 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Mohammed was a Child Rapist and Islam is a Totalitarian Death Cult.)
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To: goldstategop
It should be noted Putin stressed again the use of force in Ukraine would be a very last resort. Obviously, all legal and diplomatic means to attain a political solution would have to be exhausted first.

You trust that commie dictator much more than I do.

15 posted on 04/17/2014 6:37:56 AM PDT by gdani (Every day, your Govt surveils you more than the day before)
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To: Vaquero
let Vlad the Impaler do what he does....

Does God monitor these postings on the internet?
16 posted on 04/17/2014 6:40:35 AM PDT by Chad_the_Impaler
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To: gdani

You have a very loose grasp on the term commie.


17 posted on 04/17/2014 6:42:57 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: Fennie

Francis Fukiyama pick up the white courtesy telephone.


18 posted on 04/17/2014 6:44:36 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: dfwgator
Exactly. It’s wrong to try to frame Putin in any context that is not of Russian nature. The Hitler comparisons are just flat out wrong. Hitler was not the first, nor the last leader who tried to gain territory.

Well put.
This is TOTALLY a Russian experience.

My husband and I visited St. Petersburg in 2008. I did NOT want to see Moscow. Russia was most interesting but made me NOT want to go back. Nothing unpleasant but very expensive, rather depressing and downright bland.

So many of their "famous" sights looked like French knock-offs. The guide said that the Russians DID imitate the French often, lavishly and continuously.

I'm glad we went.

Side note: My husband, by then, was quite ill from lung cancer and he needed a wheelchair to get through their famous museum, the HERMITAGE.
Well, to borrow a wheelchair a passport had to be left as insurance against said wheelchair disappearing forever. THAT said a LOT about the Russians. The kicker was that the Russian guide, a young woman, had to leave HER passport with the museum officials. Our USA passports were worthless to them...HER passport insured that the wheelchair would be returned.

19 posted on 04/17/2014 6:48:32 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: mac_truck
You have a very loose grasp on the term commie.

If you deny Putin is communist through & through then you should worry about your own grasp.

20 posted on 04/17/2014 6:51:39 AM PDT by gdani (Every day, your Govt surveils you more than the day before)
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To: dfwgator
The Hitler comparisons are just flat out wrong.

Disagree. A number of Hitler's territorial land grabs were justified by saying that he was protecting ethnic Germans.

21 posted on 04/17/2014 7:09:35 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

You really think Hitler was the first one who did things to protect an ethnic population?


22 posted on 04/17/2014 7:10:29 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Of course not, but comparing Putin to Hitler in this regard is relevant. It is also recent European history, which many can relate to in Europe. They have seen this play out in their lifetime.


23 posted on 04/17/2014 7:12:54 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Fennie
S#!t's getting serious, and dangerous.

We have a foreign policy team (Obama, Kerry, and Power) who never grew in philosophy or wisdom beyond their mid-twenties.

These people have lived in academia, book writing, or non-executive politics. Obama, despite 5-1/2 years as POTUS, has not grown in his ability as Chief Executive, Chief Diplomat, or Commander in Chief. He still operates as he did in the U.S. Senate and the Illinois Senate--deferring the lead to others, and not leading himself.

Obama, Kerry, and Power will treat this as an academic exercise, like a term paper or essay exam in a Poly-Sci 502 class.

Strangely enough, I think Susan Rice has the potential to have the most mature thought on foreign policy, having worked in the think tank industry for a while, but as part of the Obama Administration, she has proven to be nothing more than a hack.

The result of all of this is the U.S. will cede a significant amount of power and influence to Putin.

24 posted on 04/17/2014 7:25:21 AM PDT by magellan
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To: Fennie

Like I said when he took Crimea, it does no good to have a warm water port if you don’t have a land route to get there. You just need to look at a map to know he wasn’t done.


25 posted on 04/17/2014 7:30:39 AM PDT by Hugin
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To: Vaquero

“we have our own little tin plated dictator...lets deal with him and let Vlad the Impaler do what he does....”

Perfectly said.


26 posted on 04/17/2014 7:48:07 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: Uncle Miltie
Can Bibi Netanyahu implement the Putin Standard and recreate the Greater Israel of the Torah?

Now there's an idea! Unfortunately, Bibi has neither the 'ovnayim nor the inclination.

27 posted on 04/17/2014 7:50:43 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Uncle Miltie
Having once conquered Japan and Germany, I want them back as the 58th and 59th states.

Lol!

28 posted on 04/17/2014 7:51:39 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Fennie

The FR “Russian Bund” should jump right on this. Doesn’t matter that the people there are mostly Ukrainian. It’s for their own good that they will be put in camps. Putin is righting history.


29 posted on 04/17/2014 7:59:46 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: Fennie

Putin will justify invading Kiev and the Western parts of Ukraine by saying that those territories were part of the Soviet Union and that Russian/Soviet blood was spilled liberating them from the Nazis.


30 posted on 04/17/2014 8:01:34 AM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: Thunder90
Putin will justify invading Kiev and the Western parts of Ukraine by saying that those territories were part of the Soviet Union and that Russian/Soviet blood was spilled liberating them from the Nazis.

He'll be dealing with Polish soldiers then.

31 posted on 04/17/2014 8:02:17 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Uncle Miltie

Putin is a hardline Soviet Communist with an image team and a makeover...


32 posted on 04/17/2014 8:02:29 AM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: dfwgator
You really think Hitler was the first one who did things to protect an ethnic population?

No Russia did it in WWI.

33 posted on 04/17/2014 8:03:21 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: Mike Darancette

Exactly.


34 posted on 04/17/2014 8:04:09 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: goldstategop
It should be noted Putin stressed again the use of force in Ukraine would be a very last resort. Obviously, all legal and diplomatic means to attain a political solution would have to be exhausted first. But its significant Russia is not closing off that option.

And what political solution would that be? Annexing eastern Ukraine? That is a "political" solution?

That's a political solution just as much as getting another person's wallet by holding a gun to their head.
35 posted on 04/17/2014 8:15:02 AM PDT by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Yep, that is getting really old.


36 posted on 04/17/2014 8:15:33 AM PDT by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: kabar

Exactly.


37 posted on 04/17/2014 8:17:07 AM PDT by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: dfwgator

OK don’t use Hitler. Stalin does nicely. And today his partner will be China instead of Japan. People better wake up because the next war is going to be nuclear. Or surrender.

Comparisons are fine he needs to be stopped now before it’s too late. And the big strike will probably come in the Pacific like last time.

These types play for keeps they will not hesitate to destroy America just because the liberals and most Americans think it’s unthinkable.


38 posted on 04/17/2014 8:20:45 AM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: Williams
OK don’t use Hitler. Stalin does nicely

Or pick any Tsar.

39 posted on 04/17/2014 8:22:16 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Girlene

I’m thinking that maybe the best deal for Putin isn’t in annexing much more, if any, of what’s left of Ukraine. He’s already gotten the most important part.


40 posted on 04/17/2014 8:23:25 AM PDT by grania
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To: Chad_the_Impaler

zer0 thinks he’s a god....I’m sure he monitors.


41 posted on 04/17/2014 8:23:53 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: grania

He would be stupid to get more, in the end, it would be more of a headache to deal with the rest of the country than it would be worth to him.


42 posted on 04/17/2014 8:24:22 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Hugin
Like I said when he took Crimea, it does no good to have a warm water port if you don’t have a land route to get there. You just need to look at a map to know he wasn’t done.

What about Novorossiysk, which is Russia's main port on the Black Sea? In 2003, President Vladimir Putin signed a decree setting up a naval base for the Black Sea Fleet in Novorossiysk. Russia has allocated 12.3 billion rubles (about $480 million) for the construction of the new base between 2007 and 2012. The construction of other facilities and infrastructure at the base, including units for coastal troops, aviation and logistics, will continue beyond 2012.

The Russian lease on port facilities in Sevastopol, which, though the main base of Russia's Black Sea Fleet, is part of Ukraine, was set to expire in 2017. Ukraine was reported to be planning to not renew the lease; however, in April 2010 the Russian and Ukrainian presidents signed an agreement to extend the lease by twenty-five years, with an option of further extension of five years after the new term expires.


43 posted on 04/17/2014 8:32:51 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Also remember, with the situation in Syria being unstable, the Russian base at Tartus is in some jeopardy, which makes the bases in the Black Sea much more critical.


44 posted on 04/17/2014 8:34:26 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Uncle Miltie

Putin is the return of Jesus Christ, in the flesh.


45 posted on 04/17/2014 8:50:47 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Fennie
... stressed Russia's historical claim to the territory, repeatedly referring to it as "new Russia" and saying that only "God knows" why it became part of Ukraine. Vladimir Putin

Russian forces are going into Eatern Ukraine. Soon.

46 posted on 04/17/2014 8:57:25 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: kabar

Seventy years ago today, the Russians seized Yalta, in the process of driving the Germans out of Crimea.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3145425/posts


47 posted on 04/17/2014 9:00:34 AM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, America shall survive this Obamanation.)
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To: Fennie

Oh boy Putin should really, really be scared now mac daddy rushed to his office and is poised to draw another red line.


48 posted on 04/17/2014 9:07:29 AM PDT by chiefqc
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To: Thunder90
Putin is a hardline Soviet Communist with an image team and a makeover...

Hardline Soviet Communist? What gives you that impression? The only hardline Soviet Communist I know about is the one in the White House.

49 posted on 04/17/2014 9:22:18 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Vaquero
....I’m sure he monitors.

Yes, he (the zer0 and his minions) hate us and all Americans that do not bow down and worship him, the zer0 and his minions. I refuse to bow to them!

50 posted on 04/17/2014 9:29:08 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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