Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Putin Tells Edward Snowden He Doesn't Spy on Russians Like the NSA
The Verge ^ | April 17, 2014 | Chris Welch

Posted on 04/17/2014 7:48:44 AM PDT by lbryce

NSA leaker Edward Snowden is currently living under asylum in Russia, so it makes sense that he would want to know about the country's own surveillance practices. He managed to take his inquiry straight to the top and pose the question to none other than President Vladimir Putin during a live, state-run television broadcast. "I've seen little public discussion of Russia's own involvement in the policies of mass surveillance," he said. "So I'd like to ask you: Does Russia intercept, store or analyze, in any way, the communications of millions of individuals?" The show's host claimed that Snowden "revolutionized the world by leaking the information about American secret services" before he appeared via video link.

(Excerpt) Read more at theverge.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: obama; putin; rolereversal
That Putin has reversed the geopolitical world order in terms of power and influence is surprising enough in the overall historical legacy between America and Russia. But that he, as inheritor of an authoritarian regime that was the very model for 'Big Brother' can now prove himself more respectful of the privacy of his citizens than the President of the United States of America has for his own, the irony of it is almost too surreal.

Snowden's question to Putin about Russia's surveillance on its citizens was not an impromptu circumstance. But that Putin and Snowden took the opportunity to crow about it, as transparent as it was, was an opportunity just too tempting for Putin to pass up and perhaps well deserved considering how Obama is now the new "Big Bro".

RT Video:Snowden asks Putin LIVE: Does Russia Intercept or Store Comms?

1 posted on 04/17/2014 7:48:44 AM PDT by lbryce
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: lbryce

Snowden shows what a KGB tool he is. Do the Ron Paul wackos still think he is a “hero”?


2 posted on 04/17/2014 7:55:00 AM PDT by montag813
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: lbryce

He has no need to. Their neighbors will do it for him.


3 posted on 04/17/2014 7:56:16 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The best way to control opposition is to lead it ourselves." -- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: montag813

Well, he really almost has no choice. They’ve given him political asylum and now he must perform like some Russian bear.


4 posted on 04/17/2014 7:57:13 AM PDT by lbryce (Obama:The Worst is Yet To Come)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: lbryce

The NSA doesn’t spy on Russians, they spy on Tea Partiers.


5 posted on 04/17/2014 7:57:52 AM PDT by dfwgator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: lbryce

They don’t need a mass surveillance system. They probably just tap into ours. Hell, our own allies have used our intelligence assets for their own uses (even when counter to our interests).


6 posted on 04/17/2014 7:59:22 AM PDT by StolarStorm
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: montag813

Best to be neither a KGB tool nor an NSA tool.


7 posted on 04/17/2014 7:59:56 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: lbryce

How can American neocons claim to be anti-Communist ?

America exported their jobs to Communist China.

Big capital is partners with communism.

And now, more than ever, big capital is flowing into Russia.


8 posted on 04/17/2014 8:02:25 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: lbryce

When Snowden was planning and executing his excellent adventure, I wonder if he ever imagined becoming Putin’s bitch?


9 posted on 04/17/2014 8:03:13 AM PDT by PGR88
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: lbryce
Of course.

The Russians are smart enough to TARGET their surveillance to those the believe are likely threats.

Efficient use of resources.

10 posted on 04/17/2014 8:19:38 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: lbryce

Putin would like to spy as well as the NSA, he’s just not that capable. Yet.


11 posted on 04/17/2014 8:19:44 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Mohammed was a Child Rapist and Islam is a Totalitarian Death Cult.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: lbryce
I had a difficult time making my mind up about Snowden. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt as a whistleblower, even when he initially started dabbling with China and Russia. I figured he might have just been forced to run to them because he had made such powerful and presumably ruthless enemies here.

More and more, however, he shows his true color: red.
12 posted on 04/17/2014 8:22:40 AM PDT by caligatrux (...some animals are more equal than others.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: PGR88

LOL. That is an apt observation.


13 posted on 04/17/2014 8:26:43 AM PDT by lbryce (Obama:The Worst is Yet To Come)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: PGR88; lbryce

Right.

The American government would never use it’s intelligence services against conservatives.

Snowden must be a commie.

Commies bad, so CIA and NSA are good.

Let them do whatever they want.

If you have nothing to hide, you won’t mind them monitoring you.


14 posted on 04/17/2014 8:31:30 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: caligatrux

I too had a difficult time figuring him out. There is another angle I have thought about. Obama sent him.


15 posted on 04/17/2014 8:34:44 AM PDT by Cold Heart
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Cold Heart

During WWI, the Germans allowed Lenin back into Russia to help undermine the Czar. Maybe Obama sent Snowden to Russia to undermine Putin, too? Plausible. I don’t think so.


16 posted on 04/17/2014 8:44:38 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: PieterCasparzen
Your previous post stated it best:

Best to be neither a KGB tool nor an NSA tool.

Snowden had quite a few legitimate concerns. If you have worries about the militarized super-state being used against its own citizens, one only look at Nevada to see the latest example. The irony is though, when Snowden left the USA, did he realize he would become a tool of another nation's vast intelligence service?

17 posted on 04/17/2014 8:44:39 AM PDT by PGR88
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: lbryce

No, Putin spies with more focus and to greater effect, and the results are released on his timetable.


18 posted on 04/17/2014 8:46:49 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: PGR88

The irony is though, when Snowden left the USA, did he realize he would become a tool of another nation’s vast intelligence service?

**********

Does it matter?

If he had come out with it here he would have been at best buried in the Bureau of Prisons and forgotten in three news cycles.

If he ‘disappeared’ himself he would have been hunted down and again, buried under the prison - at best.

He could have shot himself or similar. To what purpose?

He had two real choices. Be a continuing part of the domestic secret police, which most have chosen, or go rogue. Once he went rogue, he became dependent on the kindness of strangers.

He traded masters, but in the process revealed a great conspiracy within the Washington government. Now it is out, and cannot be concealed.

A Phyrric victory instead of an utter loss. But Phyrric victories cost everything too.


19 posted on 04/17/2014 8:56:47 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: caligatrux

Maybe, but think on this.

Between Russia and the USA, which is growing more socialist?

I ask myself that, and don’t like what I see.


20 posted on 04/17/2014 9:03:21 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: lbryce

Yup, the ex KGB big shot does not spy on his own people. Yeah, right.


21 posted on 04/17/2014 9:07:55 AM PDT by sakic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: PGR88
Your previous post stated it best:

Best to be neither a KGB tool nor an NSA tool.

Snowden had quite a few legitimate concerns. If you have worries about the militarized super-state being used against its own citizens, one only look at Nevada to see the latest example. The irony is though, when Snowden left the USA, did he realize he would become a tool of another nation's vast intelligence service?


Yes, that was his only protection for his life.

The US government, especially the Treasury, State, Intel and Defense Depts, work for global elite finance.

The number one priority of the elites to maintain their hold over government so that it does not print its own money and thus not need to borrow through their banking services.

Intel (espionage) is an essential tool for elite finance to use in controlling government actions. Thus they can not have the truth come out about what they have been doing all along and continue to do. So when some truth occasionally leaks out, they mitigate the problem, clouding up Congressional testimony, telling half truths, etc. It looks terrible, the papers, led by by CIA's own Washington Post, run the engineered stories, America gets mad, then gets over it and moves on. And the elites switch programs around and continue.

When Snowden confirmed William Binney's and others' assertions, and then some, it was a huge revelation, especially when combined with evidence of NSA backdooring that has been publicly reported on since at least 2006. With Snowden, it was the extent of targets (heads of state and American citizens en masse) and the level of penetration (stored history of continuous full sweep of data traffic) that was publicized.

The government's first preference would have been obviously to have a complete refutation of the revelation, i.e., get a retraction from him, brand him as a lunatic, drug user, etc.

Clearly, this was so big, his life was guaranteed to last only until the retraction could be constructed; at that point, they would want his story to permanently end, with no possibility of opening the book again.

As most espionage agencies cooperate with UK/US intel to a surprising degree, i.e., even former enemies are now friends, I guess the best option he had was to go to the one country where the old theatrical idea of them being an "enemy" is being kept alive in order to have some semblance of a significant adversary left to actually give the CIA/NSA a reason for even existing. If Russia just relented and forked over such a prized intel public figure to their "adversary" the US, Russia and the US would, by implication, be acknowledging that they are, in effect, a single police state mechanism. The illusion of an epic struggle between good and evil would be shattered.
22 posted on 04/17/2014 9:24:12 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: lbryce

Putin spies on his country the good old fashioned KGB way


23 posted on 04/17/2014 9:41:25 AM PDT by Nifster
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: PieterCasparzen

Your deductions are illogical and pointless


24 posted on 04/17/2014 9:42:59 AM PDT by Nifster
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Nifster
I meant this to be sarcastic:

/SARC

(

Right.

The American government would never use it’s intelligence services against conservatives.

Snowden must be a commie.

Commies bad, so CIA and NSA are good.

Let them do whatever they want.

If you have nothing to hide, you won’t mind them monitoring you.


)

That is to say, I believe the opposite of those statements.

I was saying that sarcastically to point out how ludicrous it is to assume Snowden is a "commie" just because he made accusations against the CIA.
25 posted on 04/17/2014 9:51:52 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: elhombrelibre
Undermine Putin?!

How about destroying (transforming) America as we knew it by using his new found flexibility.

26 posted on 04/17/2014 10:08:07 AM PDT by Cold Heart
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: lbryce; Revolting cat!; GeronL
Putin's methods can be simply stopped by using tinfoil.


27 posted on 04/17/2014 10:58:48 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: lbryce

I guess we should just trust a former KGB agent. Da?


28 posted on 04/17/2014 10:59:34 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: lbryce

But that he, as inheritor of an authoritarian regime that was the very model for ‘Big Brother’ can now prove himself more respectful of the privacy of his citizens than the President of the United States of America has for his own, the irony of it is almost too surreal.

<><><><

How ‘bout we give Eddie the same level of access to information in Russia as he had here in the US, and then let’s chat.

Your “it must be true becuse Putin said so” take on this is quite baffling.


29 posted on 04/17/2014 11:55:30 AM PDT by dmz
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: redgolum

The USA may be the country becoming more socialist, but Putin is clearly steering Russian -— indeed, maybe even the areas surrounding Russia — back towards the old USSR days.

Seems like the whole world is going more socialist.


30 posted on 04/17/2014 12:06:49 PM PDT by caligatrux (...some animals are more equal than others.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: PieterCasparzen

I understood your snarky comment. English is my first language thank you very much.

What you apparently do not understand is that there are some of us who look at Snowdon and see nothing more than a twos bit little punk who’s goal in life was to get a ticket to where he really wanted to live....the workers’ paradise.

My statement still stands Putin is, was, and always will be KGB and that group is KNOWN for its deceptive, spying, thuggery


31 posted on 04/17/2014 12:28:37 PM PDT by Nifster
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: Nifster

Why spy when you can write out the confession in advance and beat them until they sign it?


32 posted on 04/17/2014 12:32:23 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: Tijeras_Slim

And that is the KGB way


33 posted on 04/17/2014 12:35:23 PM PDT by Nifster
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: Nifster

And the NKVD, and the OGPU.... all the way back.


34 posted on 04/17/2014 12:36:53 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: Nifster

Are these guys “commies” ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Andrews_Drake
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Binney_%28U.S._intelligence_official%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Klein
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perry_Fellwock
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russ_Tice


35 posted on 04/17/2014 12:41:51 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson