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GOP stars steer clear of Nevada ranch fight
The Hill ^ | 04/17/2014 | Timothy Cama

Posted on 04/17/2014 11:58:09 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

GOP presidential hopefuls are largely steering clear of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy’s fight with the federal government.

The showdown, which left armed militia members and feds staring each other down last week, has captivated talk radio and cable news shows, turning Bundy into a conservative cause célèbre.

Yet Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) and Mike Huckabee, a former Arkansas governor and 2008 presidential candidate, are the only big-name Republicans to have spoken out on the dispute so far. Tea Party favorite Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) has been silent, and Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) and Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) have also not commented on Bundy, who has been fighting the federal government in and out of court for more than 20 years over his refusal to pay cattle grazing fees.

All three offices did not respond to calls for this story.

GOP strategists suggested that Bundy’s case is too risky for most candidates eyeing the presidency, particularly given the possibility of armed conflict with federal police.

“The Republican Party’s very sympathetic to Cliven Bundy’s property rights, states’ rights argument,” said strategist Ford O’Connell, who worked on John McCain’s 2008 campaign. “But many Republicans also prize the rule of law above all else. Right or wrong, Bundy had his day in court and lost.”

Matt Mackowiak, who has worked on various Capitol Hill campaigns and as a congressional press secretary, agreed that candidates have good reason to be cautious in the Bundy dispute.

“If you don’t know the person, and you haven’t followed the situation closely, all you do is you look at the situation and see risk,” Mackowiak, who contributes to The Hill's Pundits Blog, said.

Still, Bundy’s arguments and the battle on his ranch feed into a strain of the GOP worried about what it sees as a growing incursion

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: abuseofpower; blm; bundy; gop; gopestablishment; nevada; rinos; teapartyfakes
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1 posted on 04/17/2014 11:58:09 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s my impression that Mr. Bundy’s hands are not perfectly clean in this, which is unfortunate.


2 posted on 04/17/2014 11:59:36 AM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: Steely Tom

Where did you get that impression?


3 posted on 04/17/2014 12:00:37 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Steely Tom
My buddy TW Shannon isn't afraid to speak out on it.


4 posted on 04/17/2014 12:00:44 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (In America, we don't do pin pricks. But sometimes we elect them.)
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To: SeekAndFind

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5 posted on 04/17/2014 12:01:21 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun. Cattlegate..0'Caligula / 0'Reid? ;-)
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To: SeekAndFind

Everything is politics with the crowd in Washington.Situations like this show us the meek and weak.


6 posted on 04/17/2014 12:01:49 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Olog-hai
Where did you get that impression?

From what I've read online. Am I wrong?

I thought he hadn't paid normal fees going way back. Not true?

7 posted on 04/17/2014 12:03:21 PM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ve noted people have stayed away from discussing it including Rush.

Did you know Ed Schultz accused Sean Hannity of helping cause trouble? That was on the Mike Gallagher show this morning. Hannity certainly has been covering this story.

I know a lot of people don’t understand the situation clearly and that is why maybe they are not commeting.


8 posted on 04/17/2014 12:04:47 PM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: Steely Tom

The story keeps changing, from “grazing fees” to “protecting” the desert tortoise (which the BLM has been euthanizing due to high numbers according to them). I always assume the feds are not telling the truth.


9 posted on 04/17/2014 12:05:33 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: SeekAndFind

“If the guy in Nevada had renamed it “Benghazi Ranch,” he wouldn’t have seen anybody from our government for months.”

- Bryan Fischer, April 14.

https://twitter.com/BryanJFischer

That’s a good one.


10 posted on 04/17/2014 12:07:10 PM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: SeekAndFind

It takes courage to be a politician - a real politician. That is, to do what is right and “lead and work with others” to a satisfactory conclusion. Unfortunately, most of what we have are “grabbers” masquerading as politicians. Not all are quite in the same camp has Harry Reid, but too many lean in that direction. Perhaps we can elect some “real” politicians next time.


11 posted on 04/17/2014 12:08:59 PM PDT by impactplayer
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To: Olog-hai
I always assume the feds are not telling the truth.

Oh, so do I. But that's an assumption, not a guarantee.

If he's not squeaky clean, the MSM will use that to clobber him and make him out the bad guy who deserves what he gets.

I'm not saying that's right, it's just the way it is.

Maybe that's why the more Conservative DC politicians are wary.

I'd be surprised if they aren't checking into it at the level of staffers, though.

12 posted on 04/17/2014 12:09:03 PM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: Steely Tom

If he’s not squeaky clean, the MSM would have found something on him already.

Remember that this region has a history of the BLM running people off their ranches, for various trumped-up “reasons”.


13 posted on 04/17/2014 12:12:47 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
What it's really about is the Federal government regulating food producers out of existence. They are doing the same with America's fisheries on both coasts.

That's what this is really about.

14 posted on 04/17/2014 12:14:44 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why is that Lib Huckabee still around? He’s so 1990s.


15 posted on 04/17/2014 12:14:44 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Mohammed was a Child Rapist and Islam is a Totalitarian Death Cult.)
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To: Olog-hai

excerpt from 2013 article

Desert tortoise faces threat from its own refuge as BLM closes Vegas rescue center
By Associated Press, Updated: Sunday, August 25, 3:56 PM

LAS VEGAS — For decades, the vulnerable desert tortoise has led a sheltered existence.

Developers have taken pains to keep the animal safe. It’s been protected from meddlesome hikers by the threat of prison time. And wildlife officials have set the species up on a sprawling conservation reserve outside Las Vegas.

But the pampered desert dweller now faces a threat from the very people who have nurtured it.

Federal funds are running out at the Desert Tortoise Conservation Center and officials plan to close the site and euthanize hundreds of the tortoises they’ve been caring for since the animals were added to the endangered species list in 1990.

The Bureau of Land Management has paid for the holding and research facility with fees imposed on developers who disturb tortoise habitat on public land. As the housing boom swept through southern Nevada in the 2000s, the tortoise budget swelled. But when the recession hit, the housing market contracted, and the bureau and its local government partners began struggling to meet the center’s $1 million annual budget.

Housing never fully recovered, and the federal mitigation fee that developers pay has brought in just $290,000 during the past 11 months.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/energy-environment/desert-tortoise-faces-threat-from-its-own-refuge-as-blm-closes-vegas-rescue-center/2013/08/25/42661004-0d8d-11e3-a2b3-5e107edf9897_story.html


16 posted on 04/17/2014 12:15:15 PM PDT by Ray76 (Take over the GOP? You still beg! Forget them. Second Party Now.)
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To: SeekAndFind

They better not steer clear. Bundy Ranch is going to bring Reid down once all the leads are followed. I am on to a bunch of hot stuff. Reid’s consigliere Jay Brown and Utah bribe allegations can become radioactive. I’ve updated the following page.

http://www.futurnamics.com/reid_brown.php


17 posted on 04/17/2014 12:21:04 PM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: SeekAndFind

Legally, Bundy doesn’t have a leg to stand on, courts have said so for 20 years. But neither did James Meredith when he defied the Mississippi law that said only white students could attend the University of Mississippi.

Bad laws exist, as to bad regulations and injustices perpetuated by unelected bureaucrats who operate under the power of federal law.

I’ve read just about everything that’s been published on this case, and in my view it is an act of civil disobedience in protest of an unjust regulation that would not be merely an inconvenience, but would run Mr. Bundy out of the ranching business, and effectively end a way of life that has been a tradition in the American west for over 100 years.

And I don’t want to see this country become the kind of place where that can happen.


18 posted on 04/17/2014 12:23:23 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: BeadCounter
I’ve noted people have stayed away from discussing it including Rush.
Rush would rather talk about himself, it seems. I know he does great with the blood cancer fund raising, but some things need to be discussed.
19 posted on 04/17/2014 12:23:25 PM PDT by dainbramaged (Don't tell me, I'll tell you.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Fight?... Fight??...

GOP runs the other way. What a pack of wimps.

When Ted Cruz speaks up, they all shout him down... “Shut UP, Ted!!! You’re gonna get us killed!”

Useless parasites.


20 posted on 04/17/2014 12:23:41 PM PDT by joethedrummer
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To: impactplayer

Why do that when ‘lesser evils’ are so much easier? WINNING!!!

Remember purists are the problem and principle does not matter. So say the wizened sages of FR who got us a smashing victory in 2012 and helped President Romney ascend to the throne with a full cadre of sever conservatives who have since fought valiantly, opposing illegal immigration, cuts to vet benefits and the homofication of America and it’s military.

Almost makes ya wonder where they found the time to nail Holder, Lois and Hillary to the wall over Bhenghazi, Fast/Furious and the IRS thing.

but by god they did! YEA LESSER EVIL!!!


21 posted on 04/17/2014 12:24:36 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Steely Tom
If he's not squeaky clean, the MSM will use that to clobber him and make him out the bad guy who deserves what he gets.

But whether Bundy is squeaky clean or legally in the right is not the only issue; the issue is that we have an armed federal bureacracy that is so vast, so powerful, so out of touch with the people, and so tyrannical in nature that they fail to recognize (or perhaps simply don't care about) the impact on public trust and popular sentiment incurred by

(i) taking away a mans livelihood by limiting the number of cattle permitted to graze as a condition of renewing his grazing rights on a property his family has stewarded since before there was a BLM

(ii) using their unlimited resources to wear him down emotionally and financially in the courts over a period of decades and finally

(iii) trying to take his cattle through direct force, with a para-military assault under dubious pretenses.

Rand Paul is the only one who has addressed THIS issue ("The federal government shouldn’t violate the law, nor should we have 48 federal agencies carrying weapons and having SWAT teams") as far as I know.

22 posted on 04/17/2014 12:25:47 PM PDT by LambSlave
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To: Farmer Dean
Situations like this show us the meek and weak

It shows me that none of the DC crowd has the instincts to respond in fast-moving situations. Anyone who was really on the side of constitutional conservatives would not have missed the opportunity to say those BLM agents should be on the US border with Mexico, protecting US citizens and property from invasion, and not assaulting US citizens and destroying their herds.

That lack of quick-thinking instinctive responses to defend US citizens from federal over-reach makes me question if any of them should be President.

23 posted on 04/17/2014 12:29:05 PM PDT by grania
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To: Steely Tom

“:If he’s not squeaky clean, the MSM will use that to clobber him and make him out the bad guy who deserves what he gets.”

Not necessarily true.

Cause trouble, insurrectionists shake their fists and brandish their weapons, cuss and pound tables. Look foolish in general. Best way to convince the ‘undecided’ to steer clear of Conservatism which the left has successfully linked to the insurrectionists, willingly I may add.

Marginalize, chastise, demonize then finally criminalize. The insurrectionists fall for it every time.


24 posted on 04/17/2014 12:31:56 PM PDT by Usagi_yo (Islamunism = Facism + Islam : Islamunist = someone that adheres to Islamunism.)
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To: grania

I don’t think any of them care.


25 posted on 04/17/2014 12:32:57 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Steely Tom
 
I'd suggest you browse around with a keyword search using "bundy" & "blm" - loads of detailed info to be had. This isn't about grazing fees or turtles - not by a longshot.
 
Another place to get up to speed -
 
Nevada standoff: Yes, it’s solar-industry cronies (but NOT the Chinese)
 
http://libertyunyielding.com/2014/04/12/feds-want-relocate-desert-tortoise-chinese-solar-farm-sponsored-harry-reid/
 
The stink is on the government here - they're using tried and true methods to beat people out of their property and livelihoods and it's not gonna stop with the Bundys.
26 posted on 04/17/2014 12:33:06 PM PDT by lapsus calami (What's that stink? Code Pink ! ! And their buddy Murtha, too!)
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To: bigbob

“I’ve read just about everything that’s been published on this case, and in my view it is an act of civil disobedience in protest of an unjust regulation that would not be merely an inconvenience, but would run Mr. Bundy out of the ranching business, and effectively end a way of life that has been a tradition in the American west for over 100 years.”

Good summation.


27 posted on 04/17/2014 12:33:57 PM PDT by Pelham (If you do not deport it is amnesty by default.)
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To: Steely Tom
Read here:

The Bundy Ranch Story...and Freedom in America

28 posted on 04/17/2014 12:34:59 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: LambSlave
You're right, of course. No argument from me on any of your points.

But on the subject of the title of this thread, which is that DC GOP politicians haven't leapt to the defense of Mr. Bundy...

That's a choice concerning whether to make Mr. Bundy a symbol of the larger issues you enumerate so well.

The MSM would like nothing better than to discredit an individual who symbolizes an issue our side believes strongly in.

If he turns out to have feet of clay, the MSM would see to it that his flaws are the only thing that anyone remembers about this entire episode.

29 posted on 04/17/2014 12:35:07 PM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: lapsus calami; Timber Rattler

Thank you both! I will read. I want to understand this situation.


30 posted on 04/17/2014 12:36:38 PM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: Steely Tom

If people condemn the guy over saying FU to the BLM extortion over bad optics after accepting the optics of a pro gay pro abortion liar as their 2012 standard bearer, we no longer have a country worth saving.


31 posted on 04/17/2014 12:38:11 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Uncle Miltie
Why is that Lib Huckabee still around? He’s so 1990s.

When I think of Huckabee.....

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32 posted on 04/17/2014 12:40:46 PM PDT by dragonblustar ( Psalm 103, Psalm 37:7, Ephesians 6:12)
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To: Norm Lenhart
If people condemn the guy over saying FU to the BLM extortion over bad optics after accepting the optics of a pro gay pro abortion liar as their 2012 standard bearer, we no longer have a country worth saving.

I'm not sure I'd go quite so far, but I take your point.

I would point out, however, that declining to make Mr. Bundy a symbol of a movement is not identical to condemning him.

And I admit it is ironic that we have to be so careful about our standard bearers, whilst our opposition rallies around people who have actual criminal records (in some cases) and the MSM lets them get away with it.

Bottom line is: it's nice to have the MSM in your pocket.

33 posted on 04/17/2014 12:43:07 PM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: Finny

If you don’t regulate the fisheries there will be no more fish. We’ve already seen that with Atlantic cod.


34 posted on 04/17/2014 12:43:32 PM PDT by Lisbon1940
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To: Steely Tom

I understand and agree with what you have said. I guess my point was that there are ways to not “steer clear of [the] Nevada ranch fight” in the headline, with courage, that do not play into the MSM’s hands and are not contingent on the infallability of Mr. Bundy.


35 posted on 04/17/2014 12:43:33 PM PDT by LambSlave
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To: Steely Tom

I would say that by not getting behind them they have indeed condemned him and anyone who a govt agency has the power to stop into non existence.

They destroyed an industry (off roading/racing) that brought literally BILLIONS of dollars into Nevada and California (at one time the overall industry was 6 billion a year total) to appease environmentalists and give bennies to their cronies.

The current solar plant south of vegas sits on a one time portion of race course that had to be stopped/done away with due to the danger to the tortise. It is now PAVED in glass and metal. But a lot of people lost a lot of money so a few could get a lot of money.

And that is but ONE example in the Mohave desert. there are many more. Laughlin NV is stagnated over BLM land restrictions. It is endless. And it happened because ‘our guys’ sat silently.


36 posted on 04/17/2014 12:51:13 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: bigbob; xzins
Legally, Bundy doesn’t have a leg to stand on, courts have said so for 20 years.

Do you consider the Constitution to be the Supreme Law of the Land?

If so can you show me where in the Constitution it gives the Federal Government the authority to own 85% of the real estate in a sovereign state?

Mr. Bundy represented himself against an army of Government lawyers in those cases. He then stood firm against an army of Federal goons armed with automatic weapons and assault vehicles.

Al Sharpton owes $1.9 million in back taxes and Obama and Reid treat him like their best friend. Then Obama spends millions of dollars hiring an army to confiscate Bundy's cattle and shoot his family and friends if the opportunity arose.

Just because some court rules against you doesn't mean you don't have a legal leg to stand on. I think it is pretty clear that from a strict Constitutional standpoint, the BLM had no constitutional authority to charge grazing fees on land within the boundaries of Nevada. The fees should have been collected by Nevada and then if Nevada chose to pay tribute, then they could have sent some of the money to the crooks in Washington.

As it stands, Nevada is not a legitimate state on an equal footing with states east of the Mississippi. If I were the governor of Nevada, I would have called out the National Guard to protect the Bundy family from the armed federal goons. Instead it was his family and friends who had to do that job.

37 posted on 04/17/2014 1:00:43 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: SeekAndFind

What really irritates me is how the US government allows illegal aliens over our border. They are grazing off the US taxpayer. They turn the other cheek and bestow them with benefits that they pilfer from US taxpayers.

Bundy is about the last rancher standing in that county and the US government won’t be happy until he is removed or killed in order to make big bucks for politicians over green phoney energy contracts.

They want to hold this family to owing the taxpayers. He doesn’t owe anyone anything. He is producing food for Americans.

The shamefulness of this episode disgusts the hell out of me.


38 posted on 04/17/2014 1:00:45 PM PDT by dforest
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To: dforest

I agree but what disgusts me far more than the BLM, the worthless GOP/politicians or the silent talking heads is the people on right wing web sites siding with the BLM, the worthless GOP/politicians and the silent talking heads.

Having spent no small amount of time dealing with land use issues in a professional capacity I have seen what the reality is. And that reality is that many people are flat out too cowardly to stand up for themselves and fight this insanity.


39 posted on 04/17/2014 1:07:08 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: P-Marlowe; bigbob

Well, I’m disappointed in Cruz. He should have spoken out.

As for all the legal mumbo jumbo being against Bundy, well, the legal voodoo doctors say you can kill babies. Shows what they know.

The bottom line is that the Fed has had 150 years to divest themselves of Nevada public land, and they haven’t accomplished it. That means they’ve been derelict.

Moreover, they have permitted the range to be used for grazing for generations, so the Fed has identified its purpose, and the governor of Nevada should now be in charge of it, seeing that the Fed has determined its disposition.

Moreover, Bundy has legal water rights that can’t be removed from him.

Additionally, adverse possession can’t be applied to public land, according to some, but adverse utilization can be. In the past, under cabin rights, all a man had to do was build a cabin, clear land, and farm/ranch it.

That went away, but the Fed approved of open range for so long, that adverse utilization should apply.


40 posted on 04/17/2014 1:09:56 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Steely Tom

Bump for later reading.

CGato


41 posted on 04/17/2014 1:11:54 PM PDT by Conservative Gato
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To: SeekAndFind

Again with the “armed militia members”. I guess the SWAT team was there to put flowers in the barrels of their guns.


42 posted on 04/17/2014 1:20:42 PM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: SeekAndFind
GOP stars steer clear of Nevada ranch fight

Of course they are. The GOP has NO BALLS. About this or anything else.

43 posted on 04/17/2014 1:26:57 PM PDT by Altura Ct. (i)
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To: DaxtonBrown

They better not steer clear. Bundy Ranch is going to bring Reid down once all the leads are followed. I am on to a bunch of hot stuff. Reid’s consigliere Jay Brown and Utah bribe allegations can become radioactive. I’ve updated the following page.

http://www.futurnamics.com/reid_brown.php

Dax to the top.

44 posted on 04/17/2014 1:35:30 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Steely Tom
But on the subject of the title of this thread, which is that DC GOP politicians haven't leapt to the defense of Mr. Bundy...

The DC GOP doesn't want the conservative smallfolk getting the mistaken notion that they're different from their Democratic colleagues.

:-)

45 posted on 04/17/2014 1:56:02 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: SeekAndFind

“GOP stars steer clear of Nevada ranch fight”

They don’t want to be seen as conected to old-school, gun toting constitutionalists out in the hinterlands.


46 posted on 04/17/2014 1:57:30 PM PDT by Iron Munro (The future ain't what it use to be -- Yogi Berra)
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To: lapsus calami

>> http://libertyunyielding.com/2014/04/12/feds-want-relocate-desert-tortoise-chinese-solar-farm-sponsored-harry-reid/

Nice find. Good info at that link.


47 posted on 04/17/2014 2:00:04 PM PDT by Ray76 (Take over the GOP? You still beg! Forget them. Second Party Now.)
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To: Steely Tom
 
No prob, my pleasure.
 
You might want to hop over here for a look for sure -
 
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3144533/posts
 
May be a lot of dry reading but very informative. Some Freepers have already gone through some of it and posted highlights.
48 posted on 04/17/2014 2:02:19 PM PDT by lapsus calami (What's that stink? Code Pink ! ! And their buddy Murtha, too!)
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To: SeekAndFind

GOP stars steer clear of Nevada ranch fight


Then they are not stars but cowards.


49 posted on 04/17/2014 2:04:48 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: DaxtonBrown

Bookmark to your post 17 and 47. Lots of interesting information on this thread.


50 posted on 04/17/2014 2:09:47 PM PDT by Pajamajan (Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Don't wait. Do it today.)
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