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Eight million people signed up for healthcare, Obama announces ("This thing is working")
Los Angeles Times ^ | 04/17/2014 | Noam N. Levey and Chad Terhune

Posted on 04/17/2014 2:29:33 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

WASHINGTON — Driven by a last-minute flood of enrollments, particularly in California, sign-ups for health insurance through the Affordable Care Act’s online marketplaces hit 8 million in the law’s first year, President Obama announced Thursday.

That beats the forecast by 1 million people and caps a remarkable comeback from a disastrous rollout last fall that gave rise to predictions the law would collapse in its maiden year.

Instead, the health law, often called Obamacare, has helped bring about the largest increase in insurance coverage in the U.S. in half a century.

“This thing is working,” Obama said from the White House briefing room, taking a jab at Republican critics who continue to pledge to roll back the law. “The repeal debate is, and should be, over.”

California alone signed up more than 200,000 consumers for coverage in the last two weeks, the state announced Thursday, bringing the state's first-year total to nearly 1.4 million people, many more than any other state.

Millions more Americans have signed up for health insurance without using the marketplaces, including through Medicaid, employers or directly from insurers. That has helped to dramatically drive down the nation’s uninsured rate, according to a growing number of national surveys.

Estimates of the total gain in insurance coverage nationally are still preliminary. And enrollment is continuing on several state insurance marketplaces, which have extended their deadlines past the April 15 date used by California and the marketplaces operated by the federal government in 36 states.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: abortion; california; deathpanels; healthcare; obamacare; zerocare
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1 posted on 04/17/2014 2:29:33 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

LA Times. Oh boy ...


2 posted on 04/17/2014 2:30:33 PM PDT by tumblindice (Are all Democrats inveterate, habitual liars?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Depends on how you define “is”....


3 posted on 04/17/2014 2:32:33 PM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: tumblindice

Still no definite word on exactly how many of these “enrollees” have actually enrolled by paying for their selected plans, nor how many were previously uninsured.

WHY DON’T THEY GIVE OUT THESE ALL IMPORTANT DATA?

Obama did reveal some demographics, however, informing us that 35 percent of the signups were from people under the age of 35.

Next question: Will this 8 million figure (if true) make the REPEAL movement more difficult?


4 posted on 04/17/2014 2:32:35 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The key is what % PAID.


5 posted on 04/17/2014 2:33:22 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: SeekAndFind

The longer this thing gets entrenched, no matter how disastrous, the harder it will be to get rid of.

And it WILL get disastrous.


6 posted on 04/17/2014 2:33:37 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: SeekAndFind
I'm sure people have read this before but it's worth a read again:

Subject: The enormity of World War II

During the 3-1/2 years of World War 2 that started with the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor in December 1941 and ended with the Surrender of Germany and Japan in 1945, the U.S. produced 22 aircraft carriers, 8 battleships, 48 cruisers, 349 destroyers, 420 destroyer escorts, 203 submarines, 34 million tons of merchant ships, 100,000 fighter aircraft, 98,000 bombers, 24,000 transport aircraft, 58,000 training aircraft, 93,000 tanks, 257,000 artillery pieces, 105,000 mortars, 3,000,000 machine guns, and 2,500,000 military trucks.

We put 16.1 million men in uniform in the various armed services, invaded Africa, invaded Sicily and Italy, won the battle for the Atlantic, planned and executed D-Day, marched across the Pacific and Europe, developed the atomic bomb and ultimately conquered Japan and Germany.

It's worth noting, that during the almost exact amount of time, the Obama administration couldn't build a functioning web site.

7 posted on 04/17/2014 2:34:17 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice. And Pay Your Liberty Tax Citizen.)
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To: SeekAndFind

So, 8 million people tapped on a few computer keys. That’s all.


8 posted on 04/17/2014 2:34:22 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Far short of the alleged 30 million uninsured that this whole debacle supposedly was for.

9 posted on 04/17/2014 2:34:32 PM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s amazing how people will cooperate when the President Of The United States threatens to label them as law breakers, fine them, and use the criminals in the IRS to take their money if they don’t do as he says.


10 posted on 04/17/2014 2:34:52 PM PDT by Iron Munro (The future ain't what it use to be -- Yogi Berra)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yeah, and the more it “works,” the unhealthier and broker we will be. Higher costs, higher taxes, fewer providers, less care now. Rationing and death panels to follow.


11 posted on 04/17/2014 2:34:58 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

And they’ll never talk about how many of those who signed up are already slipping through the wide cracks in CommieCare.


12 posted on 04/17/2014 2:35:47 PM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: SeekAndFind

He makes these things up on the fly or else gets them from Bob Beckel in the morning briefing,


13 posted on 04/17/2014 2:36:31 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Next week 15M will have signed up...


14 posted on 04/17/2014 2:36:38 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: SeekAndFind

As believable as anything else they have said up to now.


15 posted on 04/17/2014 2:37:02 PM PDT by stevem
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To: SeekAndFind

I bet we eventually find a concerted effort, like an ACORN movement, that was just signing up “Mickey Mouse” and “Bruce Banner” for Obamacare, totalling hundreds of thousands of fake enrollees.


16 posted on 04/17/2014 2:37:07 PM PDT by caligatrux (...some animals are more equal than others.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s working as well as Andre’s Johnson.


17 posted on 04/17/2014 2:37:45 PM PDT by windsorknot
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To: SeekAndFind
In the world of the lapdog media, all Barry has to do is schedule these campaign events to say that 0zombieCare is working, and the lapdogs run out and report how great it is that 0zombieCare is working.

And that anyone who begs to differ is a racist hater.

18 posted on 04/17/2014 2:37:47 PM PDT by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: BitWielder1
Far short of the alleged 30 million uninsured that this whole debacle supposedly was for.

In business, it is all about the net. So how many people lost their coverage or were severely downgraded to get these 8 million signups?

How many of these were Medicare/Medicaid? did those count?

How many paid?

How many (especially in CA) are illegals?

19 posted on 04/17/2014 2:38:09 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks SeekAndFind.


20 posted on 04/17/2014 2:38:29 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SeekAndFind

And 81% KNOW that he is lying.


22 posted on 04/17/2014 2:39:47 PM PDT by CMailBag
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To: SeekAndFind

Millions of Americans intimidated into knuckling under to the nanny — state by fear of the IRS.

And the creep from Hawaii/Indonesia is celebrating.


23 posted on 04/17/2014 2:39:49 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Must be due to the IRS questioning.


24 posted on 04/17/2014 2:41:23 PM PDT by petitfour
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To: SeekAndFind
The LA Times editors would be best served by asking how an additional 1M people signed up when the official enrollment period ended April 1st.
25 posted on 04/17/2014 2:41:57 PM PDT by 7thOF7th (Righteousness is our cause and justice will prevail!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I bought $8,000,000 worth of goods from Amazon today.
But they are all still in my shopping cart.


26 posted on 04/17/2014 2:42:32 PM PDT by entropy12
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To: SeekAndFind

Whoopee!! 8 million! Out of some 35 million without insurance. And 7 of those 8 million were people who had perfectly good insurance before Obungholecare
and lost it. Like Joe the Idiot said, “This is a big f’n deal!”


27 posted on 04/17/2014 2:44:20 PM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: fwdude

It was obvious from the start that this wasn’t about anyone’s “health care”. It was about wresting yet more control-more than we may even as of yet realise-from people over their own lives. When this planned disaster finally self-destructs, the answer will be “single payer”, and the control will be out in the open and complete. The Beast Fedzilla will know everytime any person hiccups. It was to take away what privacy remains, and take more control of the economy, which adds to the first goal. Who needs all the money in the world when they have all the power and control in the world? The Commies operated that way.


28 posted on 04/17/2014 2:46:22 PM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: SeekAndFind

An essential element of a prima facie case of either fraud or misrepresentation is `reliance’ (on the part of the person being misled) and `damages’ that they suffer as a result of relying on the false statements.
The LA Times is carrying water for the Democrats here lying about the number because, well—that’s what they do. They know Obamacare is tanking fast.
But they don’t want it removed from life support, i.e. tax dollars, because there is nothing Democrats love more than tax dollars. (Unless it’s union dues.)
If they gave the public the true facts, even those who are covered but paying nothing into it (`subsidized’) may figure out that the services that they got before (ambulances, etc., and paid nothing for) may be in jeopardy if Obamacare kills the Golden Goose, the healthcare industry that delivers illegal aliens’ babies and provides ER services to them `No charge’.
So, they have to try to get people to rely on their lies knowing that eventually we will all be damaged when everything goes tits-up. `Eventually you run out of other peoples’ money.’ MT


29 posted on 04/17/2014 2:47:29 PM PDT by tumblindice (Are all Democrats inveterate, habitual liars?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Let me get this right... he gets 5 million people’s insurance cancelled, they go out and replace it, and he’s taking credit for that. Class act... all low.


30 posted on 04/17/2014 2:50:52 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (Hoaxey Dopey Changey)
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To: SeekAndFind
Amazing!

In the receent past when they tried blowing smoke about the low numbers they claimed the site wasn't set up to keep count.

31 posted on 04/17/2014 2:59:32 PM PDT by QT3.14
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To: fwdude
"So, 8 million people tapped on a few computer keys. That’s all."

Or someone programmed a computer to make a few million entries.

32 posted on 04/17/2014 2:59:42 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: SunkenCiv

If you don’t sign up they fine you and stick the IRS on you. I could sell dog shit by mail under those circumstances....


33 posted on 04/17/2014 3:03:48 PM PDT by GOPJ (MSNBC reporters couldn't spot a criminal if he was at the company Christmas party.)
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To: BitWielder1

...or the 21 million as an expectation for the first year.


34 posted on 04/17/2014 3:04:40 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: SeekAndFind

82% increase in my health care premium since August 2012. This is a big f’ing deal to me. Working? Yes on the Me to death part


35 posted on 04/17/2014 3:05:32 PM PDT by Recompennation (Constitutional protection for all not ju st selectively for Democrats.)
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To: SeekAndFind
[Obama: “This thing is working.”]

Obama promised ACA would be “revenue neutral.” The only way it works is if its revenues equal or exceed its expenditures and even the rosiest forecasts don't predict that ever happening. This is a giant new entitlement that is creating an economic black hole.

36 posted on 04/17/2014 3:06:03 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: ArmstedFragg

Actually, according to surveys from the Urban Institute Health Monitor,

Roughly 2.6 million people whose plans were cancelled as a result of Obamacare.

See here:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2014/03/10/the-real-numbers-on-the-obamacare-effect-are-in-now-let-the-crow-eating-begin/2/

So, what happens to these folks who saw their health insurance policy cancelled?

According to the Urban Institute researchers :

“While our sample size of those with non-group health insurance who report that their plan was cancelled due to ACA compliance is small (N=123), we estimate that over half of this population is likely to be eligible for coverage assistance, mostly through Marketplace subsidies. Consistent with these findings, other work by Urban Institute researchers estimated that slightly more than half of adults with pre-reform, nongroup coverage would be eligible for Marketplace subsidies or Medicaid.”


37 posted on 04/17/2014 3:06:07 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Dead voters are no problem for Dems to produce. Dead healthcare signers would be ideal for them.

Deathcare: The crowning achievement of the Obama presidency.


38 posted on 04/17/2014 3:06:50 PM PDT by Veto! (OpInions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: DannyTN

More than likely.

We’ve already found out that the BLS is already creating funny “facts.”


39 posted on 04/17/2014 3:07:08 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: SeekAndFind
yeah, right...

40 posted on 04/17/2014 3:10:27 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: ArmstedFragg
Let me get this right... he gets 5 million people’s insurance cancelled, they go out and replace it, and he’s taking credit for that. Class act... all low.

And that's the best-case scenario, assuming that the numbers are real and that the insurance actually translates into healthcare, both of which are likely false.

This truly is the MO of a sicko abuser. Beat up, rob, starve, demoralize, and humiliate the captive, then hold out a hand of compassion. Or healthcare, as it were.

41 posted on 04/17/2014 3:11:03 PM PDT by Ezekiel (All who mourn the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: Tzimisce
Depends on how you define “is”....

or "thing" or "works"

42 posted on 04/17/2014 3:12:14 PM PDT by uncitizen
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To: caligatrux

I would bet donuts to dollars that that last week or two, HHS had people sitting at computer keyboards with voter lists and they were adding people as fast as they could.

7.1 was the number of rows in the DB table that holds the enrollees information for this farce. Actual insurance policies not so much.

I am also guessing that there will be no independent audit to ensure that any numbers are correct.


43 posted on 04/17/2014 3:15:21 PM PDT by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Bullshit


44 posted on 04/17/2014 3:15:53 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Ezekiel

Just curious, what source tells us that 5 million people’s health insurance have been cancelled?


45 posted on 04/17/2014 3:25:34 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: All
HHS “Started” Individual Obamacare Applications Prior To Deadline, Obtained Personal Info From States
Shark Tank / FR Posted on Friday, April 04, 2014 by M. Thatcher

In the closing days of the open enrollment period for the Affordable Care Act (ACA) , the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) was mailing out letters notifying certain Americans that they had already started a healthcare coverage application on their behalf.

The HHS letter stated that the information they used to begin the application for individual Healthcare was obtain by the state agency in charge of implementing Obamacare.

The next step for the individual would be visit Healthcare.gov and complete the already started application to see if they qualify for “Marketplace coverage.”

News of the HHS letter was first mentioned by a listener of the popular “Daybreak with Drew Steele” Show on Fox 92.5, which is out of Fort Myers, Florida.(Excerpt)

Read more at: http://www.shark-tank.com/2014/04/04/hhs-started-individual-obamaca ...

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NEED TO KNOW:

(1) which states participated in giving confidential information to HHS, and,

(2) how would state agencies know which of their citizens would want or need a new Obamacare-compliant policy.......without violating that individual's privacy--and without consulting the individual?

PLUS---this is a biggie: for an application to be legally enforced, the individual would have had to sign it. Who signed the app?

Forgery must be considered.

When a third party commits you to a financial transaction, that person is considered your fiduciary....and should not act WRT a payment method or other financial burden that conflicts with your best interests.

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NOTE WELL About a week ago, a few courageous people in California went public with the disclosure that in applying for health care on the state exchange, they received completed "voter registration forms" pre-checked “Democrat.”

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FBI TIPS PAGE https://tips.fbi.gov

46 posted on 04/17/2014 3:27:54 PM PDT by Liz
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To: PapaNew
Did Berry O’douchebag say, “8 million people signed up for obamacare Period”?
47 posted on 04/17/2014 3:30:31 PM PDT by peeps36 (Save The Tortoise And Kill The People)
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To: peeps36

Yeah, just who signed up, not who paid. The Leftists never tell you the truth, only half-truths. The reason they’re in power is the gullibility of enough voters.


48 posted on 04/17/2014 3:33:49 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: SeekAndFind

IDK. Maybe there isn’t one. So many numbers floating around. I figured the poster was in a general sense describing how the POS is busy destroying real health insurance and healthcare and then offering out his hand to lift up the uninsured.

A whole lot more than 5 million are being abused. :(


49 posted on 04/17/2014 3:35:38 PM PDT by Ezekiel (All who mourn the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: jsanders2001

Next week the enrollment numbers will be 7 Billion. The whole planet loves Obastard. “Citizens of the World!!!”


50 posted on 04/17/2014 3:43:48 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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