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Wherein Black People Have To Go To School With Confederates
Above The Law ^ | 4/15/14 | Elie Mystal

Posted on 04/18/2014 3:41:38 AM PDT by Altura Ct.

After the Civil War, Robert E. Lee accepted a position as president of what was then called Washington College. By all accounts, he served the school well and had a nice end of life. After his death, Washington College was renamed Washington & Lee.

Today, many black people attend the university that bears Marse Robert’s surname, so I guess we won. But a group of black law students at Washington & Lee Law School is getting really sick of the university’s consistent, stars-and-bars waving support of Lee’s legacy and the whitewashing (no pun intended) of what that legacy represents.

They’ve got a list of some very specific “demands” for the Washington & Lee administration…

On the one hand, I’m kind of surprised that black students at Washington & Lee are just now threatening “civil disobedience” over the school’s longstanding remembrance of the Confederate cause. The thing is called Washington & Lee, not Washington & GRANT. I mean, here’s a line taken right from the school’s “about” page on its website:

Founded in 1749, Washington and Lee University is named for two of the most influential men in American history: George Washington, … and Robert E. Lee, whose presidency and innovative leadership brought the University into the national limelight.

Right… the two “of the most” influential individuals are George Washington and Robert E. Lee. Not Washington and Abraham Lincoln. Not even Washington and John C. Calhoun… you know, the guy who came up with the whole, bollocks secessionist legal reasoning. But Washington and Robert E. “I’d rather fight for my state than combat a great evil for my country” Lee. Lee’s logic is akin to me fighting the Orkin Man because the “New York City” rats shouldn’t be subjugated to a “national” company, but whatever.

Again, black people could have probably known what kind of university they were getting involved with when they applied to Washington & Lee, but if you want to know what’s pissing the black law students off, I can begin to explain in a picture:

Now, I don’t know if a tomb to a dead general crosses that intangible line from historical preservation to offensive nostalgia. But when you couple those traditions with other things black law students at W&L are complaining about, you can understand their problem. Here is a list of demands from a group of black law students calling themselves “The Committee”:

Here is a list of the FOUR DEMANDS:

1. We demand that the University fully recognize Martin Luther King, Jr. Day on the undergraduate campus.

2. We demand that the University stop allowing neo-confederates to march on campus with confederate flags on Lee-Jackson Day.

3. We demand that the University immediately remove all confederate flags from its property and premises, including those flags located within Lee Chapel.

4. We demand that the University issue an official apology for the University’s participation in chattel slavery, including a denunciation of General Robert E. Lee’s participation in slavery.

If the school does not act by SEPTEMBER 1, 2014 we WILL engage in civil disobedience.

Really, this is a Confederate Battle Flag issue. To me, it’s a symbol of racial oppression. To others, it’s a symbol of Southern pride. My question to the Southern Pride people is always: what about all the black Southerners? Are they not allowed to be “prideful” of their Southern roots as well? Or are they supposed to wave around a Confederate flag in support of their “state’s rights”?

I contacted Washington & Lee about the controversy. Here is the school's statement:

We have received communication from the group of law students who signed the letter and have responded by inviting invited them to engage in serious discussions about the issues that they have raised.

The question of cancelling classes on MLK Day has been discussed on several recent occasions. The law school does not hold classes that day. Any decision on changing the University's undergraduate calendar rests with the undergraduate faculty, which approves academic calendars and adjustments to the class schedule. Washington and Lee does recognize Martin Luther King Jr. each year with a university-wide MLK Legacy Week during the week of MLK Day. This annual observance features a prominent guest speaker. Recent examples are Donna Brazile, Andrew J. Young, and Julian Bond. In addition, panels, symposia and programs are available not only for the university community but also for the Lexington/Rockbridge County community. We have chosen to honor Dr. King's legacy in this way.

In terms of the other issues that the students have raised, we will give them all careful consideration

Yay. Washington & Lee has black friends, so it's all good.

Look, in terms of Washington & Lee, sure George Washington was a slaveholder too. And if W&L is using that flag in order to honor slavery, well, go nuts. But let's just remember that Washington — the Washington who fought and froze and bled for this country, the Washington who was our first federal president under our constitution — would probably roll over in his marble grave to know that a REBEL flag was displayed so prominently at a university that bears his name.

Whatever you think the Confederacy was about, it most certainly involved a violent rebellion against a duly elected president led by people who had the right to vote but could not achieve their political motives through the agreed upon process. The Founding Fathers wanted representation. The Confederates wanted to get their way, regardless of what "voters" wanted in new territories. You think Washington would wave a flag for that?

Washington & Lee has two people in its name, maybe it's time to start listening for the echoes of the other guy.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: dixie; eliemystal; highereducation; leejacksonday; martinlutherkingday; quotas; racenorming; redistribution; reparations; robertelee; thenice; virginia; washingtonandlee; washingtoncollege
Whiners are us!

Blacks must be incredibly fragile. How pathetic.

1 posted on 04/18/2014 3:41:38 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: Altura Ct.

All this bs beause of cotton.
They all should be kissing the white man’s ass.
Instead we have to listen to demands.
F em ALL.


2 posted on 04/18/2014 3:49:46 AM PDT by Post5203 (For the first time in my life, I despise this country.)
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To: Altura Ct.

So is someone holding a gun to their head forcing them to spend $50,000 a year to go to Washington and Lee law school?


3 posted on 04/18/2014 3:52:03 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Altura Ct.
Recognize MLK day?

Why?

They've sworn obeisance to an Illegal Alien from Indonesia SOLELY on the color of his skin!

4 posted on 04/18/2014 3:54:12 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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To: Altura Ct.
"If the school does not act by SEPTEMBER 1, 2014 we WILL engage in civil disobedience."

Dear students, and if you do this, we will kick your ass up the back of your stupid neck.
Regards,
The University.
5 posted on 04/18/2014 3:59:06 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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To: Altura Ct.

It could be worse..... you could have black radical assholes that offend by just being for classmates


6 posted on 04/18/2014 4:03:10 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: Altura Ct.

They could always transfer to UMich.


7 posted on 04/18/2014 4:21:15 AM PDT by Einherjar
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To: Post5203
They all should be kissing the white man’s ass.

America is the only country in the world with a genuine race problem insomuch as the white establishment feels they owe something.

Anywhere else in the world, blacks would be castigated for trying to pull some BS like this. I agree that they should be thanking us. Had those landowners not brought over boatloads of slaves from Africa to till their fields, an overwhelming majority of modern day black men and women would not even be alive.

Subsaharan Africa was and still is a brutal area of the world.

8 posted on 04/18/2014 4:43:02 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Altura Ct.

We demand, We demand, We demand, We demand.

Sounds a little like the chorus from hell in regards to ice water. Absolutely pathetic.


9 posted on 04/18/2014 4:43:23 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: Altura Ct.

I keep looking, but I don’t see the Right to Not Be Offended ANYWHERE in the Constitution. . .


10 posted on 04/18/2014 4:45:07 AM PDT by Salgak (http://catalogoftehburningstoopid.blogspot.com 100% all-natural snark !)
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To: rawcatslyentist

I recognize MLK Blvd and stay the heck away from it whenever and wherever I encounter one.


11 posted on 04/18/2014 4:47:28 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Operating out of weakness? Imagine if he was working from a position of strength!)
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To: rawcatslyentist

Hit the nail square-— These so called Law Students should be judged for the content of their character—and not allowed to act like Communist Revolutionaries. I doubt any of them ever lived when Martin Luther King was alive.And I sincerely doubt he would have marched with them. They misrepresent Robert E.Lee— and the South. Bet every one of themis a Yankee clipper.


12 posted on 04/18/2014 4:47:44 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: Altura Ct.

Hello. Earth to black law students. Washington led a revolution against the legitimate government, did you forget that part?


13 posted on 04/18/2014 4:50:49 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Altura Ct.

Perhaps if the W&L Administration declared a “Black Liberation from the Contemporary Plantation Week” and invited Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, Ben Carson, Allen West, etc as the speakers we would see this same group of offended law students protesting to ban this group of (black) speakers.

After all, if the protestor’s sole criteria is the color of skin, acquiesce to their demands on skin color and then nail ‘em with reason and accurate thought... from black men.


14 posted on 04/18/2014 4:51:02 AM PDT by BwanaNdege
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To: Altura Ct.

A uniquely stupid analogy:”Lee’s logic is akin to me fighting the Orkin Man because the “New York City” rats shouldn’t be subjugated to a “national” company, but whatever.”

If Blacks have a problem with stupid honkies Why don’t Blacks just ignore them or “kick they asses”?


15 posted on 04/18/2014 4:53:39 AM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: Altura Ct.

Blacks, you are GOING to a school NAMED for a so called racist (in your mind). That would be like whites complaining that (for example) we are not welcome at a university named Obama Mandela University or CONSERVATIVES welcome at a university named Stalin Lenin Mao University.

If you want to blacks, you could go to a tradional black college like Grambling or Norfolk State.


16 posted on 04/18/2014 4:55:01 AM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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To: Altura Ct.
Or are they supposed to wave around a Confederate flag in support of their “state’s rights”?

Is this a trick question?

17 posted on 04/18/2014 4:55:44 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Altura Ct.
re: Founded in 1749, Washington and Lee University is named for two of the most influential men in American history

And out of the blue, it hit me. There needs to be a university named for two Africanmericans.

OBAMA & KING University.

Think of the possibilities.
Since it is to be a commemorative university, it should be endowed by Africanmericans. For Africanmericans. Rev Al? Rev Jesse?

18 posted on 04/18/2014 4:56:24 AM PDT by Tupelo (I feel more like Philip Nolan every day)
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To: Altura Ct.

Naggers should stop nagging. I’m really getting to hate Naggers.


19 posted on 04/18/2014 5:02:28 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz

stupid naggers....


20 posted on 04/18/2014 5:19:20 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: Hatteras

That’s sexist


21 posted on 04/18/2014 5:21:10 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: ExCTCitizen

And yet Blacks vote for a political party, whose annual banquet is named for two slaveholders - Jefferson and Jackson.


22 posted on 04/18/2014 5:22:01 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: Altura Ct.

He goes on about Washington being duly elected but were blacks allowed to vote for him? How about women? Would Jimmy Carter have certified that election?

In other words, why stop at Lee and the Confederacy — why not go full Zinn and denounce Washington as well. He’s obviously just another member of the white patriarchy. I mean he’s even older, whiter, and deader than Lee isn’t he?

And why honor an Uncle Tom like MLK when we could be giving the clinched fist salute to Malcolm X? The naive MLK actually thought racism could be overcome. X knew the struggle was ETERNAL.

And for the struggle to be eternal, you must be never be willing to settle or be satisfied. You’ve got to go after Washington too, and MLK. Pull it all out by the roots and burn it. It’s the only way. Burn it all down.


23 posted on 04/18/2014 5:35:48 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Altura Ct.

Should Howard University be forced to commemorate Confederate Memorial Day?


24 posted on 04/18/2014 5:37:26 AM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: rarestia
“Had those landowners not brought over boatloads of slaves...”

Slave importation into the states was banned in 1808 so land owners did not do what you said. But slave importation into the Caribbean did continue with Northern businessmen, shippers, bankers, college founders, and government officials doing the lucrative business of keeping slavery alive.

25 posted on 04/18/2014 5:49:12 AM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: Altura Ct.
And if W&L is using that flag in order to honor slavery, well, go nuts.

No one at W&L is "honoring slavery". No one. And the author knows that perfectly well. So this article is just another piece of propaganda. Goebbels would be proud.

26 posted on 04/18/2014 5:55:07 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: PeaRidge
Should Howard University be forced to commemorate Confederate Memorial Day?

Since it's not celebrated in Washington, D.C. then probably not.

27 posted on 04/18/2014 5:57:40 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Altura Ct.
Right… the two “of the most” influential individuals are George Washington and Robert E. Lee. Not Washington and Abraham Lincoln. Not even Washington and John C. Calhoun…

The moronic law school student doesn't even know the meaning of the word "of"... "Two OF"... NOT "THE Two Most Influential"... He's desperately trying to find reasons to be offended and to get attention... no different than any small child or dramatic pre-teen girl.

28 posted on 04/18/2014 6:03:09 AM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: Tainan

They call for this long after the graduating class has walked. Anyone I know that’s been in a decent law school has told me there is not much time to do much of anything until the 3rd year.

Typical lawyer crap.

They are looking to have their bills paid.


29 posted on 04/18/2014 6:17:23 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: Lazamataz

:-)


30 posted on 04/18/2014 6:29:05 AM PDT by Mears
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To: DoodleDawg

If you are suggesting that tradition is the determinant, then W and L should not observe MLK Day.


31 posted on 04/18/2014 6:32:03 AM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: Altura Ct.

They should transfer to a school which more closely reflects their values.


32 posted on 04/18/2014 6:32:46 AM PDT by WayneS (Help Control Politician Overpopulation - Spay or Neuter Your Senator or Congressman Today!)
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To: PeaRidge
If you are suggesting that tradition is the determinant, then W and L should not observe MLK Day.

I'm talking about holidays. You asked if Howard University should be required to observe a date which is not a holiday in D.C. where Howard is Located. MLK day is a federal holiday so both Howard and Washington and Lee observe it. Confederate Memorial Day is a state holiday in Virginia, though I don't think private universities are required to observe it. However, if they were required and if Howard University was in Virginia then I'd expect them to comply wiht the law. Like it or not.

33 posted on 04/18/2014 6:38:07 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Altura Ct.

PS - The author of this article appears to be an ignorant moron.


34 posted on 04/18/2014 6:38:44 AM PDT by WayneS (Help Control Politician Overpopulation - Spay or Neuter Your Senator or Congressman Today!)
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To: All

Ain’t it grand living in the “great (welfare) society” of Lyndon Baines (I”ll have those blacks votin’ democratic forever) Johnson.

This just in! The NBS (Non-Black Student) committee has just responded to the BS (Black Student) committee demands: “Respectively, and after due consideration, we have decided you can take your BS demands and shove them up your racist a**es”.


35 posted on 04/18/2014 6:51:30 AM PDT by Texicanus (Texas, it's a whole 'nother country.)
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To: PeaRidge

I’m speaking more of the 17th + 18th century slave trade than the 19th. Colonial America more than post-American Revolution.


36 posted on 04/18/2014 6:56:51 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Altura Ct.

“Blacks must be incredibly fragile.”

Biggest crybabies ever. Can’t do without the white man giving his very food but want to claim “pride” and “victim”. There isn’t a black run nation that is prosperous and doesn’t do without billions in “aid”.


37 posted on 04/18/2014 7:00:58 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: Altura Ct.
Doesn't sound like they made a wise choice going to law school there anyway. Link
38 posted on 04/18/2014 7:51:30 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: rarestia

It was the same then........slave traders doing the importing.


39 posted on 04/18/2014 7:52:07 AM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: Altura Ct.

“...Washington who was our first federal president under our constitution — would probably roll over in his marble grave to know that a REBEL flag was displayed so prominently at a university that bears his name.”

On the other hand, Washington was a Virginian and a rebel himself, so maybe not.


40 posted on 04/18/2014 7:57:05 AM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the and breadth of "ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: DoodleDawg

The undergraduate school is apparently under pressure from some to close down for MLK day. My question was should Howard be subject to the same type demand?


41 posted on 04/18/2014 8:09:59 AM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: Altura Ct.
The Founding Fathers wanted representation. The Confederates wanted to get their way, regardless of what "voters" wanted in new territories.

The Founding Fathers wanted representation. The Confederates Liberals/Socialists wanted to get their way, regardless of what "voters" wanted in new territories.

The Founding Fathers wanted representation. The Confederates Conservatives wanted to get their way, regardless of what "voters" wanted in new territories.

Hmmm.

42 posted on 04/18/2014 8:11:08 AM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the and breadth of "ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: PeaRidge
The undergraduate school is apparently under pressure from some to close down for MLK day. My question was should Howard be subject to the same type demand?

My sneaking suspicion is that the whole Howard University does not hold classes on MLK day. But if you're still on the other holiday then as I pointed out since Confederate Memorial Day is not observed in D.C. then the answer should be no.

43 posted on 04/18/2014 8:12:58 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

According to the article, W and L does not observe either. So again the question remains the same.


44 posted on 04/18/2014 8:24:05 AM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: PeaRidge
According to the article, W and L does not observe either. So again the question remains the same.

Yes and no. Undergraduate school recognizes MLK day through a week of activities but does not cancel classes on that day. The law school does, I assume, participate in those activities and it cancels classes on the holiday. And at the risk of stating the obvious, MLK day is a federal holiday recognized in all 50 states and D.C. Confederate Memorial day is not a federal holiday, has no single month in which it is celebrated much less a single day, and is recognized in only 11 states. D.C. is not one of them.

45 posted on 04/18/2014 8:41:43 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

Of course my original question was whether a school more aligned with non-Southern traditions be expected to accommodate student requests at variance with the status quo.


46 posted on 04/18/2014 9:20:23 AM PDT by PeaRidge
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"I didn't even know there was a Lee Jackson Day."

Lee Jackson of the Nice
47 posted on 04/18/2014 10:44:48 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Altura Ct.

People cannot accept the fact that the “Demands” are a direct attack on our history and traditions. Northern whites came to terms with Southern Civil war leaders long ago. Their side was incorporated into our view of America. The Civil War became a great drama. Today, white administrators do not have the spiritual courage to tell the so called “students” no.


48 posted on 04/18/2014 10:54:23 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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