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U.S. ground troops going to Poland, defense minister says
Washington Post ^ | April 18, 2014 | by Fred Hiatt

Posted on 04/18/2014 3:13:07 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

Poland and the United States will announce next week the deployment of U.S. ground forces to Poland as part of an expansion of NATO presence in Central and Eastern Europe in response to events in Ukraine. That was the word from Poland’s defense minister, Tomasz Siemoniak, who visited The Post Friday after meeting with Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel at the Pentagon on Thursday.

Siemoniak said the decision has been made on a political level and that military planners are working out details. There will also be intensified cooperation in air defense, special forces, cyberdefense and other areas. Poland will play a leading regional role, “under U.S. patronage,” he said.

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1 posted on 04/18/2014 3:13:07 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I’d be a lot more impressed if this were a deployment of Norwegian, Belgian, Danish, Greek, Italian, Portugese, or Spanish NATO troops, instead of U.S. troops.

But, as usual, we have to carry the load, and the bill, because Europe spends on welfare, instead of defending itself.


2 posted on 04/18/2014 3:19:08 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

This is big news if true. I have my doubts the kenyan will put a substantial force of US boots on the ground in Poland.


3 posted on 04/18/2014 3:19:19 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

.. and the Ø fustercluck marches on, comrade !


4 posted on 04/18/2014 3:20:01 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Never saw that one coming.


5 posted on 04/18/2014 3:21:10 PM PDT by Antihero101607
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To: lodi90

“Homosexuals, Forward!”


6 posted on 04/18/2014 3:21:15 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

WTF...We just pulled thousands of troops out of Europe in the last 20 years

This is ‘cause of the Ukraine, but it’s not our fight...

NO BLOOD FOR VODKA


7 posted on 04/18/2014 3:21:40 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Knowing Obama, as we all do, this will be a piddly deployment of a couple of light regiments, no armor, no Calvary.

And no ALLIES.

We'd be better off and dignified by sending none.

The man is making us a laughing stock.

8 posted on 04/18/2014 3:22:44 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The time to place NATO troops in Poland was shortly after Poland joined NATO. About 1999 when the US still had tanks and anti tank aircraft in Europe.

Now, the Russians will see this as a provocation.

9 posted on 04/18/2014 3:22:54 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: tcrlaf

Europe, with the possible exception of Germany and Poland is like a spoiled child. Somebody else always has to take care of them.

Then they turn around and tell us how much better they are.


10 posted on 04/18/2014 3:23:51 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Mariner
Have no fear! The commander of the armed forces knows what he's doing!


11 posted on 04/18/2014 3:25:26 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: tcrlaf
I’d be a lot more impressed if this were a deployment of Norwegian, Belgian, Danish, Greek, Italian, Portugese, or Spanish NATO troops, instead of U.S. troops.

But, as usual, we have to carry the load, and the bill, because Europe spends on welfare, instead of defending itself.

As usual you have no idea what you are talking about. American troops are the trip wire that keeps a cold war from turning hot. The tin pot czar isn't goint to mess with the US Army. As we have seen recently Putin prefers to beat up the little sisters of the poor.

And it would probably save money deploying NATO troops in Poland. The US could just redploy a battalion of 173rd from Italy and other troops from Germany to Poland. Much cheaper to base them in Poland.

12 posted on 04/18/2014 3:29:19 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: tcrlaf

I’d be a lot more impressed if this were a deployment of US troops to the US border with Mexico.


13 posted on 04/18/2014 3:30:43 PM PDT by grania
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Now, the Russians will see this as a provocation.


You are forgetting about all those graves across Eastern Europe of people murdered by Russians. Is that is not a Russian provocation? Poland is not the FSU. Putin can get bent if he doesn’t like NATO there.


14 posted on 04/18/2014 3:32:34 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: tcrlaf
But, as usual, we have to carry the load, and the bill, because Europe spends on welfare, instead of defending itself.

Nigel Farage is correct when he says all the EU does is work out international loans to put already struggling nations deeper in debt.
15 posted on 04/18/2014 3:32:39 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: lodi90

You completely miss my point, and make my point, at the same time.

Yet again, WE have to supply the troops, and the treasure, because no one is afraid of the other paper tigers in NATO.

Why do WE have to carry the burden, instead of Italy? Or Oil money-rich Norway?

Isn’t long past time they start carrying the burden for Europe’s defense?


16 posted on 04/18/2014 3:32:51 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

A weak leader sending troops to a hotspot usually turns out badly. Pray for our soldiers.


17 posted on 04/18/2014 3:33:10 PM PDT by BillyBonebrake
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To: lodi90
I would rather be stationed in Poland.
18 posted on 04/18/2014 3:35:06 PM PDT by Reaganez
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To: Former Proud Canadian
The time to place NATO troops in Poland was shortly after Poland joined NATO. About 1999 when the US still had tanks and anti tank aircraft in Europe. Now, the Russians will see this as a provocation.

To Russia, *anything* that challenges its long-term goal of world conquest is a provocation.

19 posted on 04/18/2014 3:37:08 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

“Now, the Russians will see this as a provocation.”

Quite correct....
Libs and Democrats screamed endlessly at ANY Bush proposal to put troops in Poland, despite the Poles offering free bases, free housing, etc.

I have no problem with permanent basing in Poland, we should have been there LONG ago. But this is reactive, not proactive.


20 posted on 04/18/2014 3:37:14 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: grania

When are troops being sent to Bunkerville, NV?


21 posted on 04/18/2014 3:38:52 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I am torn about this. One side of me wants Europe to feel some pain for their socialism and spend more money on defense. The other side of me wants America to spend more money on defense and avoid socialism. The way RINOs stand up for things, I bet we get to pay for expanded socialism and a failed military expansion in eastern Europe. So maybe we should just let Europe fail and keep our assests intact.


22 posted on 04/18/2014 3:39:16 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (We need to fundamentally transform RATs lives for their lies.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Let Europe take care of it. Why our guys?


23 posted on 04/18/2014 3:40:12 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: lodi90
As usual you have no idea what you are talking about. American troops are the trip wire that keeps a cold war from turning hot. The tin pot czar isn't goint to mess with the US Army. As we have seen recently Putin prefers to beat up the little sisters of the poor.

That's a little unfair. The whole point of war is to gain, at an acceptable cost, what isn't attainable via diplomatic means. That usually means fighting only countries that aren't in a position to offer much resistance. It's not just Russians - it's everybody. It's part of the reason we rear domesticated animals instead of fierce predators for their meat - a superior benefit to danger ratio.

24 posted on 04/18/2014 3:44:44 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Gee d’ya think we should left the frickin missle shield up obama ya firckin genius?


25 posted on 04/18/2014 3:47:06 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
Now, the Russians will see this as a provocation.

Everybody is building up their defenses in light of Russia's moves, this won't be equal to the 435,000 that Reagan put in Europe, but the day we are too afraid to move a few troops to a fellow NATO nation, is the day it is truly over for us.

26 posted on 04/18/2014 3:48:01 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: lodi90

He is putting U.S. troops there precisely to be a tripwire to get this country in a conflict. The more Americans he can kill the happier he is.

Start the fight, then surrender. That is Zero’s ploy.


27 posted on 04/18/2014 3:59:28 PM PDT by Wordkraft (Remember who the Collaborators are.)
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To: tcrlaf

This is just an empty gesture. Russia is in Ukraine, it may go into Moldova. Russia is not going into Poland.

All this action does is play into Russia’s narrative that they are being encroached on.


28 posted on 04/18/2014 4:22:16 PM PDT by Monmouth78
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To: lodi90

The EU has over three times the population of Russia and far more money that could be spent on defense than Russia does.

Why are we subsidizing these fine folks?


29 posted on 04/18/2014 4:24:37 PM PDT by Monmouth78
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To: ansel12

I’m glad somebody decided NOT to let Ukraine join NATO.


30 posted on 04/18/2014 4:47:42 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: lodi90

One of the reasons the US military had the A-10 Warthogs build in the 70s 80s to counter Soviet tanks in Eastern Europe for this very thing.... The Soviet Union invading Eastern Europe through Poland.


31 posted on 04/18/2014 4:54:23 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Sweden and Finland are looking into joining NATO, they are afraid.


32 posted on 04/18/2014 4:54:55 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Reaganez

I’ve been to Poland twice. I’ve always admired their work with tile. Thanks for the reminder.


33 posted on 04/18/2014 5:58:35 PM PDT by chopperman
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To: Monmouth78

But are these Europukes willing to spend their money and men on their own defense?

Let them rot, you say?

Hmm, not a bad idea.


34 posted on 04/18/2014 8:17:08 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: lacrew

Considering how we screwed them at Yalta, we owe them.

That being said, Poland needs to expand their military as well.


35 posted on 04/18/2014 8:19:45 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Oldeconomybuyer; blueyon; KitJ; T Minus Four; xzins; CMS; The Sailor; ab01; txradioguy; ...

Active Duty ping.


36 posted on 04/18/2014 8:20:57 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Resist in place.)
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To: Reaganez

Same here.


37 posted on 04/18/2014 8:21:40 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Resist in place.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

I wonder which BCT drew the short straw for the speed bump mission?


38 posted on 04/18/2014 8:31:30 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: Reaganez

Pardon me while I go have a stroke. LOL


39 posted on 04/18/2014 9:48:55 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
"Now, the Russians will see this as a provocation."

Cuban Missile Crisis - The Sequel
40 posted on 04/18/2014 10:33:38 PM PDT by clearcarbon
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To: tcrlaf

Why? You really do not understand?

The answer is because it’s far safer and less costly for us in the long run for Europe to be (relatively) happy & fat, yet militarily weak, while we take care of most of the defense load and maintaining order. Up until Europe became dependent on energy from Russia, topped off by Obambi taking the reigns, this worked a heck of a lot better than anything in the last several hundred years has. Nukes only up the ante - I shudder to think of what history would have been had The Bomb been available to the Europe of 1935.

Too many assume that the Euro-weenies are naturally that way. They are not - it is merely a thin veneer we imposed on them after WW2.


41 posted on 04/18/2014 10:36:10 PM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

If even half of the below is true, the Ukrainians are correctly not depending on Kerry and Obama, and preparing for a long war, or, someone (the Poles?) have indicated support beyond what’s been publicly promised, and the U.S. knows it HAS to have a tripwire in Poland to deter Putin from retaliating that far west.

” April 19, News on situation in Ukraine.

There is imitation of some negotiation with Russians, in this way Ukraine buying time. Firsts days of war showed our army is like Russian army was in 1994 when they entered first Chechen war. They were losing tanks, selling each other arms and then all together drinking this money away... at first war looked like a joke but then it start getting very real.

Ukraine entering war and can’t match Russian with cruelty. For instance there was fight on the beach and Ukrainians stopped shooting to let some beach goers pass by. Today they announced that “anti-terrorist” operations in the east would be put on hold over Easter. Meanwhile mobilization is on the way, they dig 1000 kms ditch along the border with Russia to stop tanks. Bomb shelters prepared in big cities. We have lot of bomb shelters left from time of Cold War which now in terrible condition. What interesting is that in regions that border Russia newly appointed governors our billionaires. They pay ditch digging and war related projects. Regional elite forces on their budget, they also pay big money to people who will capture Russian terrorists and their arms. $10.000 for head+couple of thousand more for their machine gun.

It was smart move to let billionaire we call them oligarchs finance Ukraine defence programme. In this way they protect their capital. Voltaire said “The Aim Of All War Is Robbery” this is very true and rich people understand Russians not coming to protect Russian language... they coming to rob rich people out of their wealth and factories.

Another important news is that Ukraine cut off water to Crimea. How long can they live without water before they will move inland to take Kherson water channel by force? If no water in next couple of weeks then farming season in Crimea will be wasted. From very beginning it was clear that Crimea is suitcase without holder, no way to carry it... holder is in Kherson. They should occupy both or non.”

http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/kiddofspeed/maydan/updateapril19.html

That last is very interesting because Kherson is not a Russian dominated area. If Ukraine keeps the water shut off, I assume it’s because they want to force Russia’s hand, and then have as much time to counter as possible, before cold weather returns.

Ukraine has arms factories - I wonder if any make anti-tank weapons?


42 posted on 04/18/2014 11:03:58 PM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: onedoug

Homosexuals will not be welcomed in Poland.


43 posted on 04/18/2014 11:05:47 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Reaganez

In the old days we called those “bombs”...


44 posted on 04/18/2014 11:12:58 PM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: Drango

“Why Die for Danzig?”


45 posted on 04/18/2014 11:14:00 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: COBOL2Java
Wrong helmet.

This helmet matches the dipstick's capabilities.

46 posted on 04/18/2014 11:17:00 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Rodamala

They were, in the only way currently possible.


47 posted on 04/18/2014 11:21:20 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: tcrlaf

In fairness to Italy, in any location away from land-based Russian air support, the Italian Navy could put Russia’s Black Sea Fleet (other than subs) on the bottom in short order.

Whether that will hold up, as Italy has been making big defense cuts recently, remains to be seen.


48 posted on 04/18/2014 11:47:45 PM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
Now, the Russians will see this as a provocation.

This does not mean much as Russians see the existence of Poland as a provocation. They view the fall of their Evil Empire as the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the last century.

49 posted on 04/19/2014 1:31:06 AM PDT by Krosan
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To: ConservativeInPA

The ones who would feel the pain are not the countries with silly leftist policies. It would be very cynical to let Poland and the Baltics to be destroyed in order to teach a dubious lesson to Germany.

There is no socialism in Easter Europe after Russian occupying forces left and we were free to set the policies of our own countries.


50 posted on 04/19/2014 1:42:47 AM PDT by Krosan
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