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Pentagon Moves to Block Russian Spy Plane in American Skies
The Daily Beast ^ | 4/18/2014 | The Daily Beast

Posted on 04/19/2014 1:42:36 AM PDT by Dallas59

Russian surveillance planes already fly over America, thanks to a long-standing treaty. But a new, ultra-sophisticated spy plane has U.S. military and intelligence bosses spooked. The Joint Chiefs of Staff of the U.S. military and American intelligence agencies have quietly pushed the White House in recent weeks to deny a new Russian surveillance plane the right to fly over U.S. territory. This week, the White House finally began consideration of the decision whether to certify the new Russian aircraft under the so-called “Open Skies Treaty.” And now the question becomes: Will the spies and generals get their way?

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; Russia
KEYWORDS: openskytreay; russia; spy
What were we thinking when we allowed this?
1 posted on 04/19/2014 1:42:37 AM PDT by Dallas59
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To: Dallas59

giving Russia carte blanche to spy on us... Brilliant!


2 posted on 04/19/2014 1:52:09 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: Dallas59

Spetsnaz trained at Ft. Bragg and other areas a couple of years ago. Wonderful tradecraft, right?


3 posted on 04/19/2014 1:57:22 AM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: Dallas59

Russia's newest spyplane exposed Tu-214R

http://defence.pk/threads/russias-newest-spyplane-exposed-tu-214r.212337/


4 posted on 04/19/2014 1:58:58 AM PDT by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: Dallas59

Well, old roots under Ike and then NWO H.W. Bush:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_Open_Skies

~~~~~~ President Eisenhower proposed that the United States and Soviet Union conduct surveillance overflights of each other’s territory to reassure each country that the other was not preparing to attack -— The Treaty on Open Skies entered into force on January 1, 2002 -— The treaty was eventually signed as an initiative of US president (and former Director of Central Intelligence) George H. W. Bush in 1989. ~~~~~~~~~


5 posted on 04/19/2014 2:01:23 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Dallas59

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/17/russia-blocks-us-treaty-approved-spy-flights/


6 posted on 04/19/2014 2:04:42 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: struwwelpeter

Burning Windski ping


7 posted on 04/19/2014 2:05:11 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Dallas59
This was first proposed by Eisenhower, our last military president. Fly Overs are scheduled and approved before the flight takes place.

We do the same thing. It is not a one way street.

But this US protest is retaliation for the Russians calling us on the Ukraine interference.

Doesn't matter.

My goodness. If you don't think we have boots on the ground, you're blind, deaf and dumb.

And if you don't think we are also propagandists...well...

Remember, the coup started all this.

8 posted on 04/19/2014 2:09:14 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: F15Eagle

It was signed off by the Senate in 1993 when the Dems held it.


9 posted on 04/19/2014 2:10:00 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

Flying blind: Russia blocks U.S. from treaty-approved spy flights

Thursday, April 17, 2014

The Russian government this week canceled a planned U.S. surveillance flight over Russian territory in a bid to limit spying on massed troops facing off against Ukraine and Eastern Europe, according to U.S. officials.

The overflight mission was scheduled for April 14 to April 16 under the 1992 Open Skies Treaty, but Russia’s government notified the State Department 72 hours before the scheduled flight that it would not be permitted.

The cancellation is unusual because the sole reason for putting off such treaty-approve surveillance is flight safety, such as bad weather.

Until this week, the United States and other European allies who are a party to the 34-nation treaty were conducting weekly overflights above Russia during the past month.

The Russian cancellation of the flight comes amid heightened tensions between Russia and the West over the crisis in Ukraine, where Russian troops militarily annexed the Crimean peninsula last month and continue to foment pro-Russian unrest in the eastern part of the country.

The cancellation further undermines the Obama administration’s arms control-centered security policies. Russia recently was accused of violating and circumventing other arms treaties, including the 2010 New START arms treaty and the 1987 Intermediate-range Nuclear Forces Treaty.

Until this week, the overflights had been providing close up aerial observation of Russian military deployments near Ukraine and near NATO allies in Eastern Europe where concerns are increasing about Russian military aggression.

U.S. intelligence agencies are continuing to closely monitor Russian troop movements using imagery satellites. The Pentagon has said the tens of thousands of Russian troops, along with tanks and armored vehicles, have been “staging” in recent weeks in apparent preparation for military action.

Recent intelligence reports also revealed that Moscow is building up military forces in the Crimea, where significant numbers of T-72 tanks were observed being shipped on rail cars. U.S. officials fear the Crimea buildup is part of plans for a large-scale military operation against eastern Ukraine.

Under the Open Skies Treaty, the sole permitted reason for canceling such overflights is flight safety and U.S. officials said that was not the reason for the Russians’ action. “They’re getting ready to do something [to Ukraine] and they don’t want us looking,” said one official familiar with the canceled flight.

White House National Security Council spokeswoman Caitlin Hayden declined to comment on the canceled overflight. However, she said the United States and European allies have conducted Open Skies flights over Russia each week for the past month. The flights are “providing useful insights into Russian military activity near Ukraine.”

Russia has deployed between 40,000 and 80,000 troops near Ukraine’s eastern border. Other Russian troops are said to be deployed in areas close to the Baltic

The canceled flight also followed reports that the Obama administration security officials are opposing plans to permit Russian Open Skies flights over U.S. territory with new monitoring aircraft outfitted with advanced sensors.

The new Russian aircraft being considered for U.S. certification is the Tu-214ON, one of two new surveillance aircraft to be used for Open Skies overflights. The aircraft will be equipped with digital imagery equipment, sideways-looking synthetic aperture radar, and infrared gear.

All flights under the treaty require 72 hours advance notification. The advance notice allows participating states to place sensitive or secret military equipment in hangers or other hidden locations, but allows for large forces and weapons to be displayed.

“We are currently reviewing a Russian request for certification of a sensor that would be used in Open Skies overflights to ensure that the new sensor meets the technical specifications required by the treaty,” Hayden told the Free Beacon, noting that the treaty permits aircraft with digital sensors and has procedures for certifying the sensors.

Even with the ongoing aircraft review, Hayden defended the Open Skies Treaty as enhancing confidence and transparency for 34 states who use it to obtain information on military forces and activities of treaty partners.

The treaty, “contributes to European security by providing images and information on Russian forces, and by permitting observation flights to verify compliance with arms control agreements,” she said.

Former Pentagon official Phillip A. Karber said the denial of the Open Skies flight appears to be designed to limit intelligence gathering on Russian forces near Ukraine.

The Ukrainians are facing a 300-degree front along their border with Russia and a large-scale amphibious assault threat from ships in the Black Sea. The Ukrainian military has excellent human intelligence but “they are virtually blind beyond their border,” he said.

“So it’s no surprise the Russians would like to deny the U.S. and through us the Ukrainians any insight into where a major attack might come,” Karber said in an interview.

Christopher Harmer, a senior naval analyst at the Institute for the Study of War who took part in Open Skies missions in the past, said the Russian cancellation is unusual.

“Open Skies flights are a key feature of the U.S. and Russian military-to-military relationship in the post-Cold War environment,” Harmer said.

“Canceling these flights is indisputable proof that the relationship between the two militaries is the worst it has been in over two decades and degrading rapidly.”

Russia’s relations with the United States and Europe remain strained over Ukraine. NATO has cut off all military exchanges with Russia in response to the Crimean annexation.

Additionally, the Pentagon has canceled all other military cooperation with Russia, and the Commerce and State Department have cut off U.S. exports of military and dual-use military-civilian goods.

In Moscow, Russian President Vladimir Putin addressed deteriorating U.S.-Russia ties during a public question and answer session on Thursday.

Putin blamed the United States for declining relations.

“I agree that the trust has been undermined, to a great degree, but why is this happening? We believe that in this situation we are not at fault,” he said, adding that he hopes ties can be improved.

“We have some contacts with them, but our colleagues had made the decision to suspend them. I hope that, with the time, everything will fall into place,” Putin said.

NATO Secretary General Anders Rasmussen in Brussels on Wednesday said the alliance is increasing military patrols in Eastern Europe following Russian interference in Ukraine.

“Our decisions today are about defense, deterrence, and de-escalation,” Rasmussen said in a statement on the NATO website. “NATO will protect every ally and defend against any threat against our fundamental security.”

On NATO enlargement, Putin issued a threatening rebuke to any plans by the alliance to extend eastward.

“We have no fear — I do not have and no one else should have this either,” Putin said. “Yet we have to bear the realities in mind.”

Instead of extending NATO, Putin said he favors bilateral security treaties but was told by the West “that is none of your business” and that each nation has the right to choose its own security agreements.

“This is true. But this is also true that whenever the infrastructure of a military bloc is moving towards our borders we have certain fears and questions. We have to take some steps in return. This is also true and no one can deny this to us,” Putin said.

When asked if NATO actions had created a “suffocating feeling” in Russia: Putin stated: “We can suffocate them ourselves, don’t be so afraid.”

A State Department official said the flight was delayed due to “weather conditions beyond the time permitted by the treaty.” Weather conditions for most of Russia during the past three days show clear or partly cloudy skies. The official said the flight will be rescheduled.


10 posted on 04/19/2014 2:15:19 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Sacajaweau

Remember, the coup started all this. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

What started the Russian adventure was Obama led NATO incursion and the subsequent destruction of Libya.No oil runneth there.Buahahahahaha! Now the Russians have Obama and Europe by the short hairs.Obama , it need not be said, is a stategic idiot.

Whats good for the goose is good for the borscht.We now earn the wages of Obama’s so called foreign policy. What an idiot!


11 posted on 04/19/2014 2:20:02 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: F15Eagle

The DEM controlled senate gave its consent in 1993.


12 posted on 04/19/2014 2:21:47 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Candor7

I posted the reference. I believe we are not allowed to post the text itself.


13 posted on 04/19/2014 2:24:17 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Candor7

The current “Open Skies” Treaty (executed in 2002) really began with an idea from the mid-1950’s (i.e., Eisenhower’s time).


14 posted on 04/19/2014 2:26:37 AM PDT by jamaksin
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To: Sacajaweau

Are you saying Wiki is wrong? I have no idea. Says H.W. gave it the initiative. So did he has the Dems for ratification?


15 posted on 04/19/2014 2:28:51 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Sacajaweau

ooops!


16 posted on 04/19/2014 2:30:07 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: F15Eagle

Good grief — hurry without preview

~~So did he ASK the Dems for ratification?~~~


17 posted on 04/19/2014 2:32:36 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: F15Eagle
Wiki is wrong occasionally. When I use it, I usually try to find the source of their info.

We know absolutely that Eisenhower initially promoted this treaty.

It came up again under Bush.

The Senate signed off on August 6, 1993. It didn't go into force for about 10 years.

These fly overs are mutual. It's not like we can't fly over Russia or other member countries. We just have to schedule these flights. And they are strictly surveillance planes.

Goodness...we just had a joint military meet with Russia right here in the USA promoted and approved by OBAMA...and no one said boo except FR.

18 posted on 04/19/2014 3:28:44 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Dallas59

We also just sent them a check for almost $500 million to pay for Space Station access for 6 of our astronauts. That should help the Russians pay for their overflight fuel bill and their Ukraine ops. And T-72 tanks? Must want to use the antiques up, as they only have about 100 modern but unbattle tested T-90s.


19 posted on 04/19/2014 4:05:07 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: F15Eagle

Burning Windski. I like it and very much understand it. 4 years “in the back.”


20 posted on 04/19/2014 4:37:04 AM PDT by tenger (It's a good thing we don't get all the government we pay for. -Will Rogers)
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To: Sacajaweau

This in light of Russia just testing an ICBM MOBILE MIDDLEweight multiple warheads,A VIOLATION OF THE START TREATY.
You may ask,does the United States have Mobile ICBMs with multiple warheads? If not why not?
Could it be Obama is doing away with our nuclear deterrent,as Russia modernized theirs


21 posted on 04/19/2014 4:40:13 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: ballplayer

ICBM MOBILE multiple warhead missle


22 posted on 04/19/2014 4:41:35 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: tenger; struwwelpeter

;)

Struww was one of your fellow airmen, in case you didn’t know that.


23 posted on 04/19/2014 4:45:32 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Candor7
The overflight mission was scheduled for April 14 to April 16 under the 1992 Open Skies Treaty, but Russia’s government notified the State Department 72 hours before the scheduled flight that it would not be permitted.

If you like your treaty you can keep it. Period!


24 posted on 04/19/2014 4:50:48 AM PDT by McGruff (You believe what your government tells you. Don't you?)
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To: ballplayer
we certainly do have mobile multi heads.......

I believe the terms of the latest START Treaty....signed by Obama does not call for inspections. I will look up the terms of the Treaty and post it.

Lotsa anti Russian propaganda coming out of the USA. Just like the Jews must register fiasco which Kerry addressed as "awful". Well, if it's a farce...and he knew it of course...address it as such.

25 posted on 04/19/2014 4:56:47 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Candor7
"No oil runneth there."

You got it.

The EU could have avoided every bit of this if it has just said, "I call and raise you" when Putin put his offer to the Ukraine on the table.

The question is, who stood to gain the most by not waiting a few months for elections. The EU who wouldn't even match much less better the deal Putin made the Ukraine, or Putin who already had a signed agreement in hand?

The sad fact of the matter is the EU got caught rolling the Ukraine like a tubby old drunk.

Now they're trying to pretend they really just had tubby down and were kicking him to protect him from evil Russians intent on reducing his debt and giving him a good deal on energy prices.

Any way you cut it, Putin was only being a realist to occupy Crimea and integrate it back into Russia instead waiting to see if there would be high precision negotiation strikes destroying infrastructure there.

The same genius crew who wouldn't beat the Russian offer to begin with are now reduced to schoolyard taunts and obvious forgeries to try gin up support for the people they bet on in Kiev. The problem is, those dad gum Ukrainian military and police guys keep siding with the local folks instead of the "government" in Kiev.

We should be so lucky. Is it any wonder the propaganda crews are working overtime to make authorities siding with the local folks look like the work of "Putin sock puppets"? Is it any wonder the horror stories the propaganda crews talk about can never be verified any more than the threat to desert turtles in Nevada can be verified?

I've seen more verifiable pictures of government destruction of private property in Nevada than I've seen of Russians lifting a finger in the Ukraine. But we're supposed to let the system slowly grind toward chastising it's own here and all get behind the use of lethal force in the Ukraine to help the EU save face?

26 posted on 04/19/2014 5:37:49 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: ballplayer
This is testing...different than adding it to your inventory as I see it.

No matter....Everyone says Russia cheats....I'm sure we do, too.

Now, lets just talk about the NSA for a while and their dirty deeds....

27 posted on 04/19/2014 5:59:42 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Rashputin
Thanks for the post. What I've been saying all along.

The Ukraine coup folks....the same as in 2004....just wanted to insure their election. Except it may backfire in the long run.

28 posted on 04/19/2014 6:08:01 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Rashputin

I’ve seen more verifiable pictures of government destruction of private property in Nevada than I’ve seen of Russians lifting a finger in the Ukraine. But we’re supposed to let the system slowly grind toward chastising it’s own here and all get behind the use of lethal force in the Ukraine to help the EU save face? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

This cannot be said enough. We will be extremely fortunate to avoid an “Obama War” based on his warped (Saudi style) view of international economy and politik.It would gravely injure America and place our country on the path of self destruction, we are 3/4 there already.


29 posted on 04/20/2014 1:59:32 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Candor7

The US flew their Open Skies mission over Russia on the 21st April.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/22/us-conducts-spy-flight-over-russia-after-delay/


30 posted on 04/25/2014 11:57:55 PM PDT by Tommyjo
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To: Tommyjo

Yes, well, thats likely why Putin has cut off all telephone contact with the White House. They saw what he was up to.Meanwhile its crickets at the White Hut.

We all know how this ends up, Obama is pressured to act and then he will finally send a completely unprepared force of our soldiers over to the Ukraine , ill equipped, with horrible ROEs, with no clear objective, and our soldiers will be put right into a liberal meat grinder wjhere the Russians prevail. Clinton did it in Somalia ( no tanks for the Marines there although they begged for them), Carter in Iran ( a hastily organized fiasco with no regard for conditions on the ground), and Johnston in Vietnam ( limited ROE when the war could have been won.).

Watch Obama be true to that pattern, only a whole lot worse.


31 posted on 04/26/2014 1:49:05 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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