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Ted Cruz to Obama: Obamacare Repeal Debate 'Far from Over'
Breitbart ^ | 18 Apr 2014 | Tony Lee

Posted on 04/19/2014 5:27:42 AM PDT by SoConPubbie

On Thursday, after President Barack Obama again declared that the Obamacare debate was over, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), who led the effort to defund the law last year, had a message for him: not so fast. 

Sen. Cruz tweeted that message:

The repeal debate is far from over. #FullRepeal — Senator Ted Cruz (@SenTedCruz) April 17, 2014

"The point is the repeal debate is and should be over," Obama said. "The Affordable Care Act is working. And I know the American people don’t want us spending the next two and a half years refighting the settled political battles of the last five years."

Obama claimed at his press conference that eight million Americans signed up for Obamacare. However, even by the most conservative estimates, at least 20 percent of those Americans may not have paid their premiums, which means they actually do not have insurance. In addition, it will be impossible to determine how many more Americans actually got insurance after Obamacare's implementation because this year the Census Bureau decided to drastically change its annual survey for the first time in 30 years in what officials said was merely a "coincidence." 

Cruz has repeatedly said those opposed to Obamacare should aim to "repeal every single word" of the law. 

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cruz; cruzobamacare; ohcanada; tedcruz

"If we must have an enemy at the head of Government, let it be one whom we can oppose, and for whom we are not responsible, who will not involve our party in the disgrace of his foolish and bad measures." - Alexander Hamilton

 

"We don't intend to turn the Republican Party over to the traitors in the battle just ended. We will have no more of those candidates who are pledged to the same goals as our opposition and who seek our support. Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn’t make any sense at all." -- President Ronald Reagan

 

"A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." - Thomas Paine 1792

 

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." - Samuel Adams

 

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." - Samuel Adams

 


1 posted on 04/19/2014 5:27:42 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie; ColdOne; Monterrosa-24; ilgipper; exnavy; MarMema; Bikkuri; o2bfree; 12th_Monkey; ...
Ted Cruz Ping!

If you want on/off this ping list, please let me know.

Please beware, this is a high-volume ping list!
2 posted on 04/19/2014 5:28:04 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie
Obama just can't help from lying <p. He counts 7 years old as new signers under Obamacare and still his numbers when lying are unimpressive
3 posted on 04/19/2014 5:31:31 AM PDT by scooby321
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To: scooby321

Right, and moreoever, what does “working” even mean? Health care is not working when a few poeple sign up….its working when millions are getting good care…and that ain’t happenin under Obama Care.


4 posted on 04/19/2014 5:32:45 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: SoConPubbie

…and while Rand Paul pussyfoots with his comments on Harry Reid, Cruz goes right after obama and obama care. Teachable juxtaposition.


5 posted on 04/19/2014 5:36:03 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: SoConPubbie
The point is the repeal debate is and should be over

Yeah, Barry.... Just like global warming is settled science and the debate is over. Pffft.

Cruz is right, the debate is not over, ObastatrdCare is a disaster and Barry knows it. That's why Bath House Barry doesn't want to talk about it.

6 posted on 04/19/2014 5:40:44 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: SoConPubbie
Obama claimed at his press conference that eight million Americans signed up for Obamacare. However, even by the most conservative estimates, at least 20 percent of those Americans may not have paid their premiums, which means they actually do not have insurance. In addition, it will be impossible to determine how many more Americans actually got insurance after Obamacare's implementation because this year the Census Bureau decided to drastically change its annual survey for the first time in 30 years in what officials said was merely a "coincidence."

OK so he repeals Obamacare. Then what? All these people lose their coverage. Now if reports are true, most of these are probably people who lost their medical coverage to begin with when insurance companies cancelled their coverage when Obamacare went into effect. Now they lose it again?

7 posted on 04/19/2014 5:47:59 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Ouderkirk

Hmm... Wasn’t DOMA settled law? How about immigration? That settled?


8 posted on 04/19/2014 5:49:27 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Rand Paul plays footsie with Mitch.


9 posted on 04/19/2014 5:53:10 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: DoodleDawg
OK so he repeals Obamacare. Then what? All these people lose their coverage. Now if reports are true, most of these are probably people who lost their medical coverage to begin with when insurance companies cancelled their coverage when Obamacare went into effect. Now they lose it again?

Yeah, because it then goes back to free market where people can choose whether or not they want to buy insurance at all or buy a high deductible cheap insurance...like it was before.

Freedom of choice.

10 posted on 04/19/2014 5:54:38 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Paladin2

But he’s the leader of a cult, so his minions will not notice…...


11 posted on 04/19/2014 6:01:15 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: SoConPubbie

obamacare is communism. This is the debate the little islamist and the left thinks is over?


12 posted on 04/19/2014 6:09:48 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: DoodleDawg
OK so he repeals Obamacare. Then what? All these people lose their coverage.

No, they get it back - whatever it is they wanted. They go back to making up their own minds about what they want to do with their money. I don't think I understand why this seems to be bad in your eyes...

Now if reports are true, most of these are probably people who lost their medical coverage to begin with when insurance companies cancelled their coverage when Obamacare went into effect. Now they lose it again?

Who knows the real #? But best estimates are that under 1 million people [Rand studies] who wanted it gained "insurance" for the first time.

I do wonder what will happen in the states that expanded medicare. I just know it won't be fun in those States.

13 posted on 04/19/2014 6:38:37 AM PDT by Principled (Obama: Unblemished by success.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I’ve always like the word juxtaposition. But I’m confused at it’s use here and it’s use in general.

Dictionary.com puts a negative connotation to it while OED and WB keep it simple and plain. It’s always had a negative connotation to it for me as something like a “stark paradoxical comparison”. Probably because I picked it up in 1982 from a Piers Anthony book, when my eidetic memory was still functioning.

If the definition is as simple as OED and WB defines it, it would be a weird weird world when the construction foreman tells the common laborer “Hey, juxtaposition that pile of bricks”.

So I kind of find it astonishing that I completely understood what the poster was saying despite the OED and WB definition. They must have read that Piers Anthony book as well.

The Germans have a cool translation for it too.

Nebeneinanderstellung which when I apply my knowledge of the two years of German, which I basically doodled in, means not one understanding.

Drive by commentary by Usagi.


14 posted on 04/19/2014 6:41:49 AM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: Usagi_yo

There is no negative connotation to it necessarily, including on dictionary.com that I could tell. It is simply a side by side comparison. It’s most elegant usage is a situation where there is a real lesson, maybe even an epiphany gained, but a given side by side comparison.

Now obviously, when this is done, there is almost by definition a positive and a negative that becomes clear as two items, people, situations, are held up against one another.


15 posted on 04/19/2014 6:46:25 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I understand and believe you, it’s just that the word has a more subtle meaning to it than what OED and WB give it. Is it an 19th century meme?

Yesterday’s difficult word of the day problem was ‘eponymous’. I wanted to make a snide remark along the lines of:

You (and I mean that in the eponymous sense) blah blah blah.

I had to back down because I was in doubt of the definition of eponymous and the dictionaries didn’t make it any clearer for me.


16 posted on 04/19/2014 7:02:35 AM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: DouglasKC
Yeah, because it then goes back to free market where people can choose whether or not they want to buy insurance at all or buy a high deductible cheap insurance...like it was before.

OK but apparently most of these people are folks who wanted insurance coverage and got screwed by Obamacare. Now they're going to get screwed again when it's repealed and they're left with nothing.

17 posted on 04/19/2014 7:03:27 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Usagi_yo

Well, don’t know about the 19th century meme of juxtapose, but I use it often in my writing, and am confident about its meaning now.

As for eponymous? Seems like a totally unnecssary word.


18 posted on 04/19/2014 7:06:48 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Principled
No, they get it back - whatever it is they wanted.

How? If the insurance companies hadn't done away with the kind of policies they had then they wouldn't have had to go into the Obamacare jungle to begin with. What guarantee is there that the insurance companies will offer that kind of coverage again? Will the government compel them to?

Who knows the real #? But best estimates are that under 1 million people [Rand studies] who wanted it gained "insurance" for the first time.

Exactly. Most were probably people who had coverage before and who lost it when the insurance companies canceled their policies. Repeal Obamacare without some sort of solution for them and what do they do?

19 posted on 04/19/2014 7:09:18 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Well anybody that can use the word Juxtaposition is alright in my book.


20 posted on 04/19/2014 7:19:09 AM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: DoodleDawg
OK but apparently most of these people are folks who wanted insurance coverage and got screwed by Obamacare. Now they're going to get screwed again when it's repealed and they're left with nothing

I think most of these folks were young and made a choice not to buy insurance because they didn't see value in it. Others who wanted insurance went without it because they figured they would rather spend their money on something else.

The ones who really, truly needed it but couldn't afford it already had a choice.....medicare or medicaid.

Obamacare was never about insurance. That's how it was sold. It was cover for massive tax increases and a blatant money grab by the fedgov.

21 posted on 04/19/2014 7:36:12 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DoodleDawg

there are ways to do it it think without disrupting the existing policy holders. The “If you Like Your Healthcare Plan You can Keep It” act should first off allow for the current insurance plans to become a defacto approved state plan in the state in which the person lives. That establishes minimum disruption to the people that signed up. Then establish state run high risk pools and begin to transition pre-existing conditions into those pool like is done with auto insurance. This should be allowed to be gradual over 2-3 years. everyone else then is free to go back to the plan they had. I think the Insco’s would have to be have some inventive to return to the other individual plans. Maybe just allowing individuals to sort it out with plans migh work. Also any of the fixes at the fed level are expired at some point with no possibility to extend.


22 posted on 04/19/2014 7:39:34 AM PDT by kvanbrunt2 (civil law: commanding what is right and prohibiting what is wrong Blackstone Commentaries I p44)
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To: SoConPubbie

” - - - those opposed to Obamacare should aim to “repeal every single word” of the law. - - - “

Yup. “True the Repeal of Obamacare.”


23 posted on 04/19/2014 8:35:53 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Obama should be tried for treason.


24 posted on 04/19/2014 8:45:03 AM PDT by exnavy (Fish or cut bait ...Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: DoodleDawg; Principled
How? If the insurance companies hadn't done away with the kind of policies they had then they wouldn't have had to go into the Obamacare jungle to begin with. What guarantee is there that the insurance companies will offer that kind of coverage again? Will the government compel them to?

Free, unfettered by Government control, enterprise will incentivize the insurance companies, just as it does everything else in the commerce world, just as it has done for centuries in the Insurance world.
25 posted on 04/19/2014 8:58:16 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: DoodleDawg; DouglasKC
OK but apparently most of these people are folks who wanted insurance coverage and got screwed by Obamacare. Now they're going to get screwed again when it's repealed and they're left with nothing.

A temporary condition at best.

The insurance ship will right itself quickly as there will be profit to be made.
26 posted on 04/19/2014 9:00:15 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Principled
I do wonder what will happen in the states that expanded medicare.

Well, they'll either go bankrupt, or default to converting their version of MediCaid into a managed care/subsidized premium system that you could buy into.

27 posted on 04/19/2014 9:05:57 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: DoodleDawg

What in the world are you talking about? You’re not making sense.

It seems you’re upset with and disagree with people being allowed to choose how to spend their own money... specifically it seems you disagree with the idea that people be allowed to spend their own health care dollars as they see fit.

just wow


28 posted on 04/19/2014 9:56:08 AM PDT by Principled (Obama: Unblemished by success.)
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