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'Guys with Guns Dictate Policy'
CNSNews.com ^ | 4/18/2014 | Jen Kuznicki

Posted on 04/19/2014 7:51:03 AM PDT by rktman

Over the weekend, I spent a lot of time reading about the Bundy Ranch Saga, looking into the area in Nevada where the Bundys live, and asking Google a bunch of questions I wanted answers to.

While researching, I happened upon a press release from an environmental group, and decided to call the person listed as the "contact" person.

The leftist environmentalist and I had about a 45 minute conversation over the phone about the Bundy Ranch, Nevada, and the history of what has been happening there, from his perspective. It was a long time to be on the phone, and it was mainly due to him because, (and you out there who know people like this will understand,) he gave me a ton of hypotheticals to try to explain things to me, you know, because I don't "get it."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: banglist; blm; bundy; commies; didiots; progressives; tyrants
Thanks Jen, for sharing. Rest assured that there must be a whole bunch of us that "don't get it". The asshats diatribe is typical and there is NO changing their view of anything. But, then, they are SOOOOOO much smarter than the rest of us. LOL!
1 posted on 04/19/2014 7:51:03 AM PDT by rktman
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To: rktman
Just want to mention that girls with guns can dictate policy, too-----
2 posted on 04/19/2014 7:55:03 AM PDT by basil (2ASisters.org)
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To: rktman
who are we to deny Harry Reid his retirement ranch land...


3 posted on 04/19/2014 7:58:00 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: rktman
"'Guys with Guns Dictate Policy'"

Always have, always will.


4 posted on 04/19/2014 7:58:02 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: rktman

‘Guys with Guns Dictate Policy’

Yes, the Feral Government DOES have a lot of guns, and they DO employ those guns to dictate policy. This author is CORRECT!

Oh, wait... that’s not what the environmentalist she was talking to, meant?


5 posted on 04/19/2014 7:58:24 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: rktman

Rational, self-professed peaceful and open people like the author describes having a conversation with, are EXACTLY like the totalitarian goons that became the Gestapo, the SS, the STASI, the KGB, et al. Mild mannered (in their eyes) ideologues with educations that bespeak of peaceful endeavors, but somehow always gravitating towards socialism, communism - totalitarianism.

It is only after they have progressed and consolidated their hegemony to the point they can exact their ‘final solution’ and graduate to blowing your brains out beside an open ditch or gassing you and tossing your carcass in an oven.

I’d say the best policy is to preemptively dispatch them and save the rebellion the cost of a trial, but that would be terroristic, so I shan’t.


6 posted on 04/19/2014 8:00:31 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: rktman
Mao was right. Political power does grow out of the barrel of a gun.

That's why the Founding Fathers blessed us with a Second Amendment.

7 posted on 04/19/2014 8:01:32 AM PDT by null and void (...if you are too sure of your place in heaven you might be too arrogant to actually get there.)
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To: MeshugeMikey

Slowly, ever slowly people may be learning that the so called “Environmental Protection” laws and “Environmentalism” is merely a pretext for achieving property transfer from those who presently own the property to those who don’t; i.e. to politicians, their buddies and potential voters.


8 posted on 04/19/2014 8:02:42 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: rktman

“It’s striking how totalitarian the “sit-in” hippies have become. They used to protest government for being too powerful. But now, they think it’ll never be quite powerful enough until guns are taken away from the people.”

I grew up in the bay area and have some liberal friends that still long for the days of the hippies. When I point out to them that most of the old hippies are now big gov’t totalitarians they really can’t argue with it.


9 posted on 04/19/2014 8:04:41 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: rktman
George Washington said, "Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."

In 1794 Washington, as President, personally led an army of 13,000 militia against armed protesters against the federal government's tax policies.

How analogous the Whiskey Rebellion is to the Sagebrush Rebellion is, of course, debatable.

10 posted on 04/19/2014 8:10:31 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: null and void

11 posted on 04/19/2014 8:13:37 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: varyouga

“Power grows from the barrel of a gun”, as several Marxists have observed in the past.


12 posted on 04/19/2014 8:15:42 AM PDT by expat2
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To: MeshugeMikey

A Turd on a Turtle!


13 posted on 04/19/2014 8:17:52 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: basil

I love the SAS.


14 posted on 04/19/2014 8:20:34 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Redneck. Race: Daytona 500)
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To: rktman

Thank you! I kinda love it, too—since I’m one of the founders, and current president of the organization.

We’re not quite the NRA yet, but we’re heading towards 2000 members!

Everyone at SAS works as a volunteer. The only person we pay is our web master.


15 posted on 04/19/2014 8:25:24 AM PDT by basil (2ASisters.org)
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To: vette6387

ahahahahaha YES INDEED!


16 posted on 04/19/2014 8:36:05 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: basil

I sent some money back in the day and was a member when we still lived in FL. Keep up the excellent work. Haven’t been to the SAS website for a while. Guess I’ll have to look again.


17 posted on 04/19/2014 8:45:11 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Redneck. Race: Daytona 500)
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To: Rusty0604

Depends on what you call “hippies” for instance the last great Christian revival in America, and the religious right, and Calvary church all came largely from hippies, real hippies were not becoming PHDs and earning law degrees, or even involved in politics, and it was largely about getting back to the land, and going Galt.

I wonder if your friends are really longing for more politicized Yippies than gun owning hippies of the early Mother Earth News period.


18 posted on 04/19/2014 8:49:01 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: varyouga

Just curious, do you think a vest like that could stop a 175 FMJ at 2800 fps?


19 posted on 04/19/2014 8:51:03 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Or an F&N 5.7 at 3200 fps?

The answer is probably not.


20 posted on 04/19/2014 9:09:27 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: ansel12

You are correct. The people I know from bay area, CA long for the protests, social freedoms, the concerts and pot.
As I point out to them, they once wanted gov’t to just leave them alone, but now they want to force their social agendas on everyone else. So they have become what they were protesting against.


21 posted on 04/19/2014 9:19:43 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: rktman

Those who beat their swords into plowshares wind up plowing for those who kept their swords. Ask Putin.


22 posted on 04/19/2014 9:38:42 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (This is known as "bad luck". - Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Rusty0604

I wonder how many of those people were actual hippies, or just people living in Frisco and partying like kids during the period, as they attended college and then went on to their careers.

They live in one of the most expensive cities in America, how many of them could have been actual hippies? Are you sure they weren’t more of the college kid, or yippie types?


23 posted on 04/19/2014 9:55:44 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: rktman
I've ceased debating the matter with liberals - for them the question isn't "should people own guns?" but "how do we fool you into taking yours?"

"Imagine a world without guns," one of them bleated in a local rag not too long ago. It's easy, actually: Genghis Khan.

24 posted on 04/19/2014 10:04:09 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
The vest, no. It may have a trauma plate insert; however, that is designed to do just that, and normally, they work once or twice before losing a lot of structural integrity.

Dragon Skin Armor was designed to overcome this by incorporating a bunch of smaller, overlapping plates, but as I understand it, results have been somewhat mixed.

25 posted on 04/19/2014 10:04:36 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: rktman
"sad that guys with guns could dictate policy."

How is that different than all of human history?

You are either the master of your own life and the citizen of a republic, or you are a slave.

The left would have us all be slaves.

Guns are the only way now in the west. The courts refuse to recognize the precedents set in Hage v US and refuse the enjoin the BLM from repeated their behaviors found unlawful.

What other option is there?

26 posted on 04/19/2014 10:14:14 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: ansel12

Most of the ones I know were like me living out there; loved the concerts and rebellion against authority. But the problem with them is that they have used that background to push more gov’t intervention into everyone’s lives. They are environmental radicals. They were not happy to make abortion legal but they force everyone to pay for it, they not only stopped discrimination against gays but now they are teaching it to the grade school kids in CA. They have better rules in some cities for illegals than they do for the taxpayers. I could go on and on.

I know some real hippies that live off the land as you describe, but not much in CA liberal areas.


27 posted on 04/19/2014 10:17:07 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Mariner

Load and lock. Or lock and load if you prefer. :>}


28 posted on 04/19/2014 10:23:23 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Redneck. Race: Daytona 500)
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To: varyouga

Thomas Jefferson said (paraphrasing) that government is not about reason; it is about force.

Government is a gun.


29 posted on 04/19/2014 10:28:48 AM PDT by DPMD
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To: basil

God bless you all. Gotta love chicks with guns.


30 posted on 04/19/2014 10:29:47 AM PDT by DPMD
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To: rktman

Next time, let’s throw tortoises at the BLM.


31 posted on 04/19/2014 10:50:30 AM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: sergeantdave

How about we throw them under the bus? That ought to bring out the alf brigades backed up by the peta brains. Cattle, not so much.


32 posted on 04/19/2014 10:58:39 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Redneck. Race: Daytona 500)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Are the inserts rated for 30-06 FMJ? I had no idea....


33 posted on 04/19/2014 11:13:59 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Cyber Liberty

Here’s where they’re going with it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjcVGZtM8UI


34 posted on 04/19/2014 11:19:03 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

So, level five is a long way from being common for government JBTs then. The JBTs at the Bundy Ranch had the standard issue stuff. Just about all the demonstrators that were armed had rifles that would have gone right through what those guys were wearing, I wonder if any of them realized it?


35 posted on 04/19/2014 12:28:32 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Cyber Liberty

Yep...even the very best (other than some arcane stuff like in the video) is considered Level IV, and even that would become unwieldy and hot in the Nevada Desert. In my experience, most people who wear body armor are pretty familiar with both its capabilities and limitations.


36 posted on 04/19/2014 12:40:57 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Joe 6-pack
In my experience, most people who wear body armor are pretty familiar with both its capabilities and limitations.

Wouldn't surprise me at all. I think the exposed parts of my body would feel pretty nekkid wearing one of those. If I were a BLM JBT at the Bund Ranch, I'd probably not wear armor at all. Better to be light on my feet than wear useless armor.

37 posted on 04/19/2014 12:50:45 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: rktman
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38 posted on 04/19/2014 2:14:10 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: rktman

Please do!

Thanks!


39 posted on 04/19/2014 5:05:56 PM PDT by basil (2ASisters.org)
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To: B4Ranch

What? You mean there’s someone on this forum that can’t do that? WTH? LOL! Barns are mostly safe with me pulling the trigger. Maybe.


40 posted on 04/19/2014 6:37:02 PM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Redneck. Race: Daytona 500)
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To: basil

Done and done. Bookmarked and added to my 2A links.


41 posted on 04/20/2014 9:02:08 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Redneck. Race: Daytona 500)
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To: rktman

Thank you!

Welcome aboard!


42 posted on 04/20/2014 10:48:54 AM PDT by basil (2ASisters.org)
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